UpTone Audio EtherREGEN (Objective Discussion Only)

[plissken]

Sandy, read Alex's FAQ in the 'white paper'. It's exactly what people are being told to do as best practice.

 

In regards to phase noise the eR is actually working against an audiophiles interest by forcing the connection to 100mbps. That 100mpbs ensures that you are spending more time generating phase noise.

[sandyk]

I repeat:

The only way that superior sound quality can be verified is by performing a series of correctly performed independent DBT sessions , NOT by using measurements.

 However, this appears to be a concept foreign to you.

[plissken]

Sandy.... I wasn't speaking to you. I was speaking to Alex about the White paper and what UpTone is really suggesting people do.

 

You disagreed with it. I pointed out two sections of their 'paper' that said:

 

Optical breaks leakage currents, data transfers generate 'phase noise'.

 

So go optical and go for as a high speed interface as you can until something else in the setup becomes the bottle neck.

 

In my setup it's a $69 Celeron 3150 based mainboard. But at 332MB/s I don't think it's detrimental. Would a J5005 based system get me closer? I don't know because my SSD may start being the limiting factor. Then I have to start chasing NVMe... And the cycle of insanity over processing a measly 706Kbps continues.

[sandyk]

13 minutes ago, plissken said:

Sandy.... I wasn't speaking to you. I was speaking to Alex about the White paper and what UpTone is really suggesting people do.

 

 

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Sandy, read Alex's FAQ in the 'white paper'. It's exactly what people are being told to do as best practice.

 

[plissken]

On the post you are trying to refer me to:

 

It's a reply to Alex, not you. You chimed in with your typical disagree button like a lab rat hitting a bell for cheese.

 

If you have a directly related point in this 'Objective Section' please make it or shut up.

[The Computer Audiophile]

28 minutes ago, plissken said:

Sandy.... I wasn't speaking to you. I was speaking to Alex about the White paper and what UpTone is really suggesting people do.

 

You disagreed with it. I pointed out two sections of their 'paper' that said:

 

Optical breaks leakage currents, data transfers generate 'phase noise'.

 

So go optical and go for as a high speed interface as you can until something else in the setup becomes the bottle neck.

 

In my setup it's a $69 Celeron 3150 based mainboard. But at 332MB/s I don't think it's detrimental. Would a J5005 based system get me closer? I don't know because my SSD may start being the limiting factor. Then I have to start chasing NVMe... And the cycle of insanity over processing a measly 706Kbps continues.

$69! Preposterous! You could’ve spent half that and done better. Someone call the snake oil police!

[plissken]

Just now, The Computer Audiophile said:

$69! Preposterous! You could’ve spent half that and done better. Someone call the snake oil police!

 

I'm talking about the objective wire speed performance of $69 passively cooled mainboard. iPerf was used so it's all chunked out of RAM.

 

Maybe I could get faster wirespeed with a Opteron 6276 as you can get both a 24 core CPU and Mainboard for ~$50-60. Can't speak for the fan noise however...

 

 

[plissken]

52 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

$69! Preposterous!

 

Don't know: $640 for a 100Mbit switch which does nothing that a $40 switch can't do or $210 for 10GBe optical and $430 on a passively cooled, zero mechanical noise, computer system (J4105, 8GB RAM, 240GB SSD, JRiver, Monitor).

 

Implement some SoX, Room Correction, House Curve in JRiver...

 

I'll take my chances on what constitutes preposterous in most peoples mind.

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, plissken said:

 

Don't know: $640 for a 100Mbit switch which does nothing that a $40 switch can't do or $210 for 10GBe optical and $430 on a passively cooled, zero mechanical noise, computer system (J4105, 8GB RAM, 240GB SSD, JRiver, Monitor).

 

Implement some SoX, Room Correction, House Curve in JRiver...

 

I'll take my chances on what constitutes preposterous in most peoples mind.

 

 

I guess my joke didn’t go over well. 
 

I was joking that anytime you guys bring up how much money people could spend to get the same performance (and give a self satisfied sniff because it’s seemingly cheap), there is always another product cheaper than the one you mentioned. I’m not a fan of racing to the bottom though. 

[Seraph]

3 hours ago, Superdad said:

 

We did.

But some do not seem happy with that.

And John just spent $14K+ on a very sensitive phase-noise measurement system to prove that aspect of his theory.

 

Still the question remains;

Please publish the test results of your device producing a superior sound quality compared to any other sub 100$ network switch.

[manueljenkin]

When it comes to digital audio, we are almost never bothered about the overall speed/bandwidth in packet chunks. We are more worried about the timing and integrity.

 

A high speed car with terrible low speed (and possibly terrible suspension) perfornance will suck when driving through a speed breaker.

[plissken]

2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I guess my joke didn’t go over well. 
 

I was joking that anytime you guys bring up how much money people could spend to get the same performance (and give a self satisfied sniff because it’s seemingly cheap), there is always another product cheaper than the one you mentioned. I’m not a fan of racing to the bottom though. 

 

I'm for what's effective. Cheap/Inexpensive are subjective terms that don't have any meaning on their own. Price to performance is another matter.

 

I picked the 3150N years ago because it met my primary needs: Passively cooled, PCI-e expansion, and more than enough processing power for running Convolution and 24/192. $69 was a side benefit.

[Seraph]

14 minutes ago, Seraph said:

Still the question remains;

Please publish the test results of your device producing a superior sound quality compared to any other sub 100$ network switch.

@Superdad
Show me the numbers that your device makes [edit]any rig sound better and I'll order your network switch right now.

[Seraph]

2 hours ago, sandyk said:

I repeat:

The only way that superior sound quality can be verified is by performing a series of correctly performed independent DBT sessions , NOT by using measurements.

 However, this appears to be a concept foreign to you.

Hi,

This is the Objective-Fi part of this forum. Please abide to the laws of physics.

[sandyk]

33 minutes ago, Seraph said:

Hi,

This is the Objective-Fi part of this forum. Please abide to the laws of physics.

 

 

 DBTs are frequently demanded by Objectivists. Are a tool used by Objectivists, and rarely by Subjectivists other than to satisfy the demands by Objectivists.

[plissken]

Just now, sandyk said:

 

 

 DBTs are frequently demanded by Objectivists. Are a tool used by Objectivists, and rarely by Subjectivists.

 

Right now I would settle for either DBT/SBT or some reproducible measurement data.

[sandyk]

2 minutes ago, plissken said:

 

Right now I would settle for either DBT/SBT or some reproducible measurement data.

 

Are you willing to cover the costs of having this done independently from A.S. and A.S.R ? 

[jabbr]

43 minutes ago, sandyk said:

 

 

 DBTs are frequently demanded by Objectivists. Are a tool used by Objectivists, and rarely by Subjectivists other than to satisfy the demands by Objectivists.

im not sure if I am objectivist but I haven’t selected my network equipment on the basis of DBT.

 

I have absolutely no uncertainty that the EtherREGEN is the best switch designed for audiophiles in the 100m speed range and <$1k new.

[Seraph]

Uptone owner @Superdad has been invited with his scientist John Swenson to a blind test of the USB Regen device a few years ago, they both faded the invitation. Does anyone really think these guys are serious actors in the audio market?

 

[sandyk]

2 minutes ago, Seraph said:

Uptone owner @Superdad has been invited with his scientist John Swenson to a blind test of the USB Regen device a few years ago, they both faded the invitation. Does anyone really think these guys are serious actors in the audio market?

 

 In case you haven't noticed ,(or care)  this thread is UpTone Audio EtherREGEN (Objective Discussion Only)

[Seraph]

3 minutes ago, sandyk said:

 

 In case you haven't noticed ,(or care)  this thread is UpTone Audio EtherREGEN (Objective Discussion Only)

Yes

[plissken]

1 hour ago, sandyk said:

 

Are you willing to cover the costs of having this done independently from A.S. and A.S.R ? 

 

What I've proposed is working out the mechanics (I posted a YT video to this setup) and allowing for comment as to any shortcomings. The only comments were by Alex and he simply didn't have the correct understanding but we worked through that. I think.

 

So I guess what is your definition of 'independently' in it's entirety. Some things like 802.3ad are simply standards and any vendor hardware that supports it should suffice. Be it lowly TP-Link, Netgear or HPE Aruba, Cisco, Juniper, Arista...

 

I would rather work with golden ear claimants instead of random people off the street.

[Seraph]

@Superdad
Show me the numbers that your device makes [edit]any rig sound better and I'll order your network switch right now.

Really, show us the numbers.

[Seraph]

6 minutes ago, Seraph said:

@Superdad
Show me the numbers that your device makes [edit]any rig sound better and I'll order your network switch right now.

Really, show us the numbers.

This is all in the digital domain so that won't be an issue, right? All measurable.

[Summit]

9 hours ago, Seraph said:

Uptone owner @Superdad has been invited with his scientist John Swenson to a blind test of the USB Regen device a few years ago, they both faded the invitation. Does anyone really think these guys are serious actors in the audio market?

 

 

Of course many people believe that the UpTone guys are serious actors in the audio market. If they there not people would not buy stuff from them anymore. To imply that because they declined Amir’s invitation they must be crooks is silly IMHO.  

 

I’m all for UpTone to “show (any) evidence” that support their theories. Until they do you can:

 

1.       Try one at home and if it’s not to your liking or standard send it back for full refund.

2.       Use what you have now and wait and see if their measurements, and if they pass your standard you can try one at home.