UpTone Audio EtherREGEN (Objective Discussion Only)

[daverich4]

22 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I must say, the amount of posts being reported as being against the objective-fi rules is astounding. However, the objectivists aren't reporting their own fellow objectivists. 

Perhaps I don’t understand what this forum is for?

 

”Welcome to the new space solely for objective audio discussions. Subjective impression threads, anecdotal or experience only based comments are not allowed here. Have some wonderful news to share about a USB cable? Great, do it in another sub-forum here on Audiophile Style.”

[kumakuma]

46 minutes ago, daverich4 said:

Perhaps I don’t understand what this forum is for?

 

”Welcome to the new space solely for objective audio discussions. Subjective impression threads, anecdotal or experience only based comments are not allowed here. Have some wonderful news to share about a USB cable? Great, do it in another sub-forum here on Audiophile Style.”

 

I think the last two sentences should be changed from:

 

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Have some wonderful news to share about a USB cable? Great, do it in another sub-forum here on Audiophile Style.

 

to:

 

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Have some wonderful news to share about a USB cable or want to complain about the behavior of objectivists? Great, do it in another sub-forum here on Audiophile Style.

 

 

 

[charlesphoto]

Isn't then calling something 'snake oil' or a 'con' because the measurements don't live up to your expectations (esp without actually listening to the piece in question) an entirely subjective call? Esp with no regard to a large amount of reports of hands on experiences? If you insist on objectivity then be objective, which is great, just don't turn it into a subjective smear fest in the name of objectivity.

 

It's good to question, or to try and figure out what the question should be and how it can be answered, but that's a two way street, and not the sole ownership of one party.  

[Seraph]

54 minutes ago, charlesphoto said:

Isn't then calling something 'snake oil' or a 'con' because the measurements don't live up to your expectations (esp without actually listening to the piece in question) an entirely subjective call? Esp with no regard to a large amount of reports of hands on experiences? If you insist on objectivity then be objective, which is great, just don't turn it into a subjective smear fest in the name of objectivity.

 

It's good to question, or to try and figure out what the question should be and how it can be answered, but that's a two way street, and not the sole ownership of one party.  

There is nothing, based on science, that suggests UpTone EtherRegen would have any effect on the output sound quality from any decently designed DAC.  

There is a plethora of network engineers who says data traffic does not behave in the way Uptone Audio claims it does. The device has been tested and the results show it does nothing a generic 30$ switch doesn't do.  

 

I call fraud, snake oil and bullshit on this product.

[jabbr]

19 minutes ago, Seraph said:

There is nothing, based on science, that suggests UpTone EtherRegen would have any effect on the output sound quality from any decently designed DAC.  

It’s very possible that a cheap Ethernet switch might transmit common mode noise to the receiver.

[alfe]

30 minutes ago, Seraph said:

I call fraud, snake oil and bullshit on this product.

 

You can show some respect even if you are not convinced by the product. No one is putting a gun on your head to buy it.

[Seraph]

14 minutes ago, jabbr said:

It’s very possible that a cheap Ethernet switch might transmit common mode noise to the receiver.

Do you have experiences with such a switch?

[Seraph]

5 minutes ago, alfe said:

 

You can show some respect even you are not convinced by the product. No one is putting a gun on your head to buy it.

I show respect when respect is due.

[alfe]

12 minutes ago, jabbr said:

It’s very possible that a cheap Ethernet switch might transmit common mode noise to the receiver.

You mean phase noise, close in phase noise, deterministic jitter, periodic jitter...😄

[alfe]

5 minutes ago, Seraph said:

I show respect when respect when respect is due.

If you believe in science you can't have one without the other.

[sandyk]

9 hours ago, Seraph said:

What are you talking about? When was this blind test done and who participated?

 

 It has already been posted by me on numerous occasions already.

Use the Search Facility IF you are genuinely interested in anyone's opinion but your own.  

 

[Seraph]

Just now, sandyk said:

 

 It has already been posted by me on numerous occasions already.

Use the Search Facility if you are genuinely interested in anyone's opinion but your own.  

 

Your posts are cancerous. Link it or forget about it.

[jabbr]

19 minutes ago, Seraph said:

There is nothing, based on science, that suggests UpTone EtherRegen would have any effect on the output sound quality from any decently designed DAC.  

It’s very possible that a cheap Ethernet switch might transmit common mode noise to the receiver.

[Seraph]

2 minutes ago, jabbr said:

It’s very possible that a cheap Ethernet switch might transmit common mode noise to the receiver.

Do you have experiences with such a switch?

EDIT:

Do you know of anyone who has such experiences?

[jabbr]

11 minutes ago, alfe said:

You mean phase noise, close in phase noise, deterministic jitter, periodic jitter...😄

It’s been demonstrated that copper Ethernet can transmit common mode noise aka leakage current to receivers and in hospitals, particularly in ICIs where there might be direct cardiac electrodes, so-called Ethernet isolation filters are used (they weren’t developed for the audiophile market 😂)

[charlesphoto]

48 minutes ago, Seraph said:

There is nothing, based on science, that suggests UpTone EtherRegen would have any effect on the output sound quality from any decently designed DAC.  

There is a plethora of network engineers who says data traffic does not behave in the way Uptone Audio claims it does. The device has been tested and the results show it does nothing a generic 30$ switch doesn't do.  

 

I call fraud, snake oil and bullshit on this product.

 

Didn't think it would be THAT easy to prove my point so quickly, but with Seraph around...

[Seraph]

2 minutes ago, charlesphoto said:

 

Didn't think it would be THAT easy to prove my point so quickly, but with Seraph around...

You have no point. What are you talking about?

[alfe]

9 minutes ago, jabbr said:

It’s been demonstrated that copper Ethernet can transmit common mode noise aka leakage current to receivers and in hospitals, particularly in ICIs where there might be direct cardiac electrodes, so-called Ethernet isolation filters are used (they weren’t developed for the audiophile market 😂)

https://www.tripplite.com/rj45-network-isolator-ethernet~N234MI1005

[sandyk]

25 minutes ago, Seraph said:

Your posts are cancerous.

 

Reply removed due to being OFF TOPIC

[Seraph]

1 hour ago, charlesphoto said:

It's good to question, or to try and figure out what the question should be and how it can be answered, but that's a two way street, and not the sole ownership of one party.  

There is no two way street or figuring out what the question should be. 
UpTone EtherRegen is a generic switch with a 640$ price tag.

[Superdad]

3 minutes ago, Seraph said:

UpTone EtherRegen is a generic switch with a 640$ price tag.

 

Once again, show me one "generic" thing about it:

It is about as far from "generic" as you can get. Not counting case or power supply, this board--in 500 unit qty.--costs us over $200 each.

 

[Seraph]

4 minutes ago, Seraph said:

There is no two way street or figuring out what the question should be. 
UpTone EtherRegen is a generic switch with a 640$ price tag.

Not even PoE I might add

[Seraph]

1 minute ago, Superdad said:

 

Once again, show me one "generic" thing about it:

 

 

Listen buddy, you've shown that picture ad nauseam. I'll wait until you get your stuff together and actually publish something relevant.

[plissken]

Nope. Because I can prove it once some people decide not to be chickens.

[Seraph]

13 minutes ago, sandyk said:

 

Reply removed due to being OFF TOPIC

But the comment is fictionally true!

As are your comments!