UpTone Audio EtherREGEN (Objective Discussion Only)

[kennyb123]

58 minutes ago, MikePM said:

This is exactly what I feared would happen when Chris decided to segregate those that believe more in testing.  Austinpop does not even bother to engage with the objective discussion and Superdad, I assume the manufacturer, is allowed to take pot shots at objective reviews of his product in the main thread without push-back on his false claims about the tests, and valid criticisms of his “white paper.”

 

The commentary on the main thread ranges from obsequious backslapping to discussions about amorphous jargon not dissimilar from a debate about the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin.  The objective thread here is short and minimalist while the one at ASR is substantially longer and more robust.  I fear that Chris is losing a lot of engaged readers.

I was looking forward to this thread as I was interested in a objective take on this product.  Not surprisingly the negative remarks outweigh the substantive objective commentary.  If there more valuable objective assessments were shared here I might agree that it was wrong for Chris to split this off.  
 

Getting to that myself..
 

A comment was made about Amir’s test equipment being able to properly capture jitter. Is that the case or not?  I realize that a video was shared but why not refute what @Superdad wrote directly?  I would find that to be an interesting discussion.  
 

I also wonder about the appropriate way to test the ER’s benefits at the output of a DAC.  What I’m not seeing is as a testable hypotheses put forth on how this would show up at the output. This would have to be tested in a way that can detect the impact of jitter being reduced.  First introduce a known amount of jitter - take a measurement at the output of the DAC - then remove it - take another measurement.  If no difference shows up then adjust the test methodology until it does - then you are ready to test the ER.  Having said all that, this is exactly the kind of discussion I’d expect to see in an objective thread.  In other words, a discussion about devising the correct testing protocol to evaluate the claims made in John’s white paper.  

[kennyb123]

3 hours ago, Superdad said:

It is interesting how, quite objectively (), UpTone products seem to evoke the most strident, vitriolic responses from some segments of the "objectivist" group. Where are the pitchforks for all the several times our prices competitors, those who don't even begin to tell you about how and why their circuits are designed? And of course I am leaving out Ethernet cables and power supplies used for all these computer components--for which there are thousands of posters on this forum and around the globe.  Oh yes, it is all a mass delusion.

My take:  John’s approach of using objective data to try to explain why audiophiles are hearing what they claim to be hearing threatens the attacker’s status as “objectivists”.  I believe it even causes narcissistic injury in the case of the strident, vitriol-spewing segment.

 

John is what an objectivist is supposed to look like.  He finds great interest the claims of subjectivists - but instead of ignoring or mocking what they claim, he puts forth a hypothesis to explain what might be going on.  He then sets out to both prove his hypothesis and solve the problem(s) underlying the subjectivists’ claims.  His success is at the later is proven by the positive reaction of those buying the products he designed.  

 

A narcissist often feels compelled to rip to shreds those who have abilities they wish they had.  They do this to feel better about their own inadequacy.  I would imagine John’s successes cause those inadequacies to be felt more strongly amongst this segment, so tear down they must.  Unlikely UpTone would be singled out if John and Alex were like other manufacturers and not participating in these threads.  

 

To be clear, I’m only taking about a subset of the “objectivist” crowd: the strident, vitriol-spewing segment.  
 

I really wish we had more objectivists like John participating here.  I know there are others and wish they would drown out the mockers spewing objective nonsense.