Middy Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Seems a little letting off steam at first but some good stuff being talked about. The technical level is above me but i can get the salient points and its interesting to read. It must be frustrating having to repeat the same answers, as more new people ask about many fallacies or unproven facts. Its still a shame it's become that 'bit' adversarial, we are lucky to have such knowledgeable people who take the time to help and answer questions. Id be happy for the grey area again but without the ringside entertainment.... Disagreement with respect.. jriver 1 Link to comment
OldBigEars Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I think it's brilliant that you've provided a play-pen for the scientists, geeks and other various shades of wannabes. They won't be happy of course. Look out for plenty of toys being tossed. They have little to zero interest in music per se. It's not even the science...which at its root should be a voyage of curiosity, learning and discovery, not a book of rules. These are people who just need to prove something but the only folks they impress are themselves. It drives them nuts that nobody seems to listen to them. It's a kind of tragedy if you care to think about it. Great that they've now got a place to talk to each other. daverich4, Fluffytime and Albrecht 1 2 Tidal / Qobuz--> Roon--> Fios Gigabit--> Netgear Prosafe GS105 --> Supra 8-->EtherRegen --> Fiber--> opticalRendu / CI Audio LPS --> Curious Evolved Link --> Chord Qutest--> AQ Water --> Belles Aria Integrated--> AQ Robin Hood--> Kudos Super 20's Link to comment
Albrecht Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 On 3/17/2020 at 5:19 AM, OldBigEars said: I think it's brilliant that you've provided a play-pen for the scientists, geeks and other various shades of wannabes. They won't be happy of course. Look out for plenty of toys being tossed. They have little to zero interest in music per se. It's not even the science...which at its root should be a voyage of curiosity, learning and discovery, not a book of rules. These are people who just need to prove something but the only folks they impress are themselves. It drives them nuts that nobody seems to listen to them. It's a kind of tragedy if you care to think about it. Great that they've now got a place to talk to each other. * Link to comment
sandyk Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 On 3/17/2020 at 11:19 PM, OldBigEars said: I think it's brilliant that you've provided a play-pen for the scientists, geeks and other various shades of wannabes. They won't be happy of course. Look out for plenty of toys being tossed. They have little to zero interest in music per se. It's not even the science...which at its root should be a voyage of curiosity, learning and discovery, not a book of rules. These are people who just need to prove something but the only folks they impress are themselves. It drives them nuts that nobody seems to listen to them. It's a kind of tragedy if you care to think about it. Great that they've now got a place to talk to each other. I agree. However it should not be permitted to be used as an area to launch attacks on Advertisers of the forum to put them out of business, with demands for measurements as it is being done at present, by several members who are members of both this forum and Audio Science review, fuelled by perhaps inadequate measurements from both A.S.R and the Vendor, lack of properly implemented DBT sessions to confirm the results due to financial constraints in both cases, and conflicting commercial interests at A.S.R. daverich4 and Seraph 1 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post beerandmusic Posted April 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2020 It seems more like the subjective want to believe in fantasy and don't want to learn, to justify their expenses, and want to be isolated from any sense of logic. By isolating logic from subjectivity, the board caters more to unnecessary spending. Superdad and vmartell22 1 1 Link to comment
sandyk Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, beerandmusic said: By isolating logic from subjectivity, the board caters more to unnecessary spending. ??? How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, sandyk said: ??? If a used car buyer only listened to "fluffing" by a salesman, and didn't have factual information about condition, they would be prone to overspending. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 49 minutes ago, beerandmusic said: It seems more like the subjective want to believe in fantasy and don't want to learn, to justify their expenses, and want to be isolated from any sense of logic. By isolating logic from subjectivity, the board caters more to unnecessary spending. If that’s what you think, then so be it. No worries. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted April 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2020 Economists thinking that people act rationally in the marketplace is how we got into one of the many messes we're in right now. They're just as delusional as an Audiophile who thinks he does anything purely objectively. The Computer Audiophile and sandyk 2 No electron left behind. Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I guess the best way to counter isolating objective opinions is when someone suggests spending 5K on a dac let them know they can spend 1K and get something that sounds better....or buying $500 cables to spend $50 for the same output... i guess if someone asks which cable lifters to buy, that an objectiivist isn't allowed to comment in that thread. such a joke. Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted April 27, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2020 33 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: Economists thinking that people act rationally in the marketplace is how we got into one of the many messes we're in right now. They're just as delusional as an Audiophile who thinks he does anything purely objectively. Was just talking to someone who wants to bring a new product to market in HiFi. He kept saying that people would hear it and based on performance alone it would be successful. My response was, people aren’t rational. This will never work. opus101 and AudioDoctor 1 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 1 minute ago, beerandmusic said: I guess the best way to counter isolating objective opinions is when someone suggests spending 5K on a dac let them know they can spend 1K and get something that sounds better....or buying $500 cables to spend $50 for the same output... i guess if someone asks which cable lifters to buy, that an objectiivist isn't allowed to comment in that thread. such a joke. Why do you have the need to counter people? Teresa 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Why do you have the need to counter people? only where democracy is not allowed... Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 1 minute ago, beerandmusic said: only where democracy is not allowed. That makes no sense. I asked “why.” You answered “where.” opus101 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Just now, The Computer Audiophile said: That makes no sense. I don't believe you argued the point that you were purposely isolating objective opinions from the threads, but maybe i misread... Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 Just now, beerandmusic said: I don't believe you argued the point that you were purposely isolating objective opinions from the threads, but maybe i misread... Why do you have to counter people? Adults don’t need protection provided by the HiFi police. Teresa 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 democracy works best when all voices can be heard. Teresa 1 Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted April 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2020 This isn't a democracy... opus101 and Teresa 2 No electron left behind. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 Just now, beerandmusic said: democracy works best when all voices can be heard. This isn’t a political forum. Your comments make no sense. Teresa 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Just now, AudioDoctor said: This isn't a democracy... agreed Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 If I bought a car on purely objective data, I would not be driving a Porsche... beerandmusic 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Just now, The Computer Audiophile said: This isn’t a political forum. Your comments make no sense. there is more than one meaning to democracy Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 Just now, beerandmusic said: there is more than one meaning to democracy Please let me know how your meaning fits in this HiFi site. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Just now, AudioDoctor said: If I bought a car on purely objective data, I would not be driving a Porsche... one piece of data you may be overlooking is price (smile) Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted April 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2020 The Computer Audiophile and Teresa 2 No electron left behind. Link to comment
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