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5 hours ago, audiobomber said:

ASR is another example of a place "where nothing subjective is allowed".

I guess there's degrees of separation at ASR. After a DAC is measured , there is a comment from Amir about how it sounds. So they are listening and making subjective comments but they don't compare one with the other , other than one DAC sinad is 0.003 better,  but disclaim those figures with a grain of salt. Kind of confused as to understanding the purpose of that site.

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3 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

 

Still trying to understand. So no contrary objective information is allowed in the rest of the forum? Or is it? 


It’s going to take some common sense and communication between those who really want to help make it work. If you aren’t up for it, I understand. 

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13 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:


It’s going to take some common sense and communication between those who really want to help make it work. If you aren’t up for it, I understand. 

 

Don't know what this means, but it doesn't appear to be an answer to a simple, direct yes/no question. Gray area, I guess? 

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2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

You’re looking for a mythical black & white world where none exists. Policing is easy, in a police state. This isn’t one. Things can be murky. However, I believe 95% of people who are here to enjoy audio will have no problem working through the adjustment. 

 

I was just looking for an answer, since this is your site and your announced policy change. Gray it is, then.

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1 hour ago, andrewinukm said:

I just can't understand: how hard is it to simply respect another person and have some common courtesy in a hobby meant for enjoyment?

I've never seen a car enthusiast that goes demanding for DBT or measurements when someone claims that a car "handles better". 

If a person doesn't have measurements, he is not the enemy. I repeat, HE IS NOT THE ENEMY. He is just another consumer, just like you and I and anyone here. If one insists on measurements, then send him test equipment.

 

John Doe wants absolute high fidelity. His audio has to measure exceptional, using the ideal scientific methodology. Listening tests have to be DBT. If he sees another person talking about subjective observations, he is curious and tries to ask and find out more, understand the limitations and the possible data he can extract from it. John then also tries to repeat the test and measures them to find correlation.

 

Jack Smith also wants high fidelity but also looking for other things that sounds good TO HIM as well (sound stage, tube bloom, airiness, and other subjective parameters etc). Jack understands the science behind audio, but if scientific data are not available it's no big deal. He likes to try tweaks and expensive cables that he can afford. He will do his own listening and determine what he likes and share this information for others to determine for themselves. If challenged to provide measurements for his observations, he politely welcomes any measurements to find the correlation of what he hears with scientific data.

 

John and Jack are also best buddies, respects each others, and does not try to be snarky or sarcastic to each other. They understand the other person's preferences and point of view, and agree to disagree without ill will or anger. They do not try to "school" each other claiming that they know it all and that the other person "needs to be saved" or "some things are unmeasurable". They can laugh at themselves and laugh together.

 

John and Jack do not exist. A**holes do.

 

Have you ever been on a sports car forum??  Track times are always mentioned and compared.

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3 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

Have you ever been on a sports car forum??  Track times are always mentioned and compared.

Why? They are all subjective unless driven at the same time by a robot. Hard to believe you’d be into that “pseudo-objective” clap trap. 

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you define enjoyment differently that I do - falseness doesn't count in my book

 

I suggest that YOU do a self-assessment, and think hard about your "livelihood" vs. claims of creating an "enjoyment space" for the deluded, as you have several times posted about these disparate issues.

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