thyname Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 You are totally missing the point with this move Chris @The Computer Audiophile. The “objectivists” post in all audio forums with a purpose: to save the poor souls from the evil of snake oil and high end audio charlatans and scammers. They already have their own site somewhere else (we know where). But they cannot save anyone there, as they are all saints. So they need to go to other places to do the saving. Like good missionaries. If they all talk between themselves, it’s very boring, and serves no purpose. Bottom line: this ain’t gone work. Look up the meaning of “missionary” in dictionary. They need to go places vmartell22 1 Link to comment
BobSherman Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 2:15 PM, The Computer Audiophile said: The difference now is that the interjections or fundamental disagreements now have their own sub-forum and there's a sub-forum for people to start objective conversations in a place free from, as some call them, anti-vaxxer style comments. We tried giving the OP the ability to police threads with limited success. We tried telling people to create their own threads if they disagreed with something their comments would be seen as a thread-crap. There's no silver bullet. Now, we can move comments and threads into a place where everyone knows they are allowed. If you're unclear where to post you have the option of asking me (probably time consuming for both of us), doing your best to select the right spot, or just giving up on the new rules and going elsewhere. Seems to me the risk / reward of the middle option isn't too terrible and will likely help us all get to a happy medium. That said, if the change is a bridge too far, I understand. Not at all. Perhaps you missed all my examples of SandyK's inappropriate posts and the fact that this now gives you a place free from his snark and anger. There are many threads with "objectivist" OPs who have mod rights to the thread. They wanted this just to remove his posts. If objective information and science is what you consider the kids table, it's a table I'd be happy to sit at. Plus, there is Mac n Cheese for all. Link to comment
DuckToller Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 17 hours ago, thyname said: You are totally missing the point with this move Chris @The Computer Audiophile. The “objectivists” post in all audio forums with a purpose: to save the poor souls from the evil of snake oil and high end audio charlatans and scammers. They already have their own site somewhere else (we know where). But they cannot save anyone there, as they are all saints. So they need to go to other places to do the saving. Like good missionaries. If they all talk between themselves, it’s very boring, and serves no purpose. Bottom line: this ain’t gone work. Look up the meaning of “missionary” in dictionary. They need to go places Please let me point out that there is, however, a thick grey area between missionaries and crusaders. As a side note and my personal opinion: I usually sense a strong form of deliberate denigration of opponents when reading religious intentions attached to people or camps, who are per se rather agnostic (which in turn does not help against showing bad manners & attitudes in Audio forum discussions). Just my 2cents. Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted February 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2020 17 hours ago, thyname said: You are totally missing the point with this move Chris @The Computer Audiophile. The “objectivists” post in all audio forums with a purpose: to save the poor souls from the evil of snake oil and high end audio charlatans and scammers. They already have their own site somewhere else (we know where). But they cannot save anyone there, as they are all saints. So they need to go to other places to do the saving. Like good missionaries. If they all talk between themselves, it’s very boring, and serves no purpose. Bottom line: this ain’t gone work. Look up the meaning of “missionary” in dictionary. They need to go places Not all evidence-based audiophiles are "missionaries". Teresa, Solstice380 and Sal1950 2 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Popular Post pkane2001 Posted February 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2020 18 hours ago, thyname said: You are totally missing the point with this move Chris @The Computer Audiophile. The “objectivists” post in all audio forums with a purpose: to save the poor souls from the evil of snake oil and high end audio charlatans and scammers. They already have their own site somewhere else (we know where). But they cannot save anyone there, as they are all saints. So they need to go to other places to do the saving. Like good missionaries. If they all talk between themselves, it’s very boring, and serves no purpose. Bottom line: this ain’t gone work. Look up the meaning of “missionary” in dictionary. They need to go places This might sound convincing coming from somebody else, but considering your personal "missionary" work on ASR, including name calling, cursing, and violent arguments, this might ring somewhat hollow. kumakuma and Sal1950 1 1 -Paul DeltaWave, DISTORT, Earful, PKHarmonic, new: Multitone Analyzer Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2020 Anyone else think all the rich chocolatey goodness has long since been drained from this discussion (unless someone comes up with a brilliant alternative)? 4est, The Computer Audiophile and daverich4 3 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted February 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, Jud said: Anyone else think all the rich chocolatey goodness has long since been drained from this discussion (unless someone comes up with a brilliant alternative)? I disagree. We need a good Airing Of The Grievances from time to time: AudioDoctor, manueljenkin, Audiophile Neuroscience and 4 others 7 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, kumakuma said: I disagree. We need a good Airing Of The Grievances from time to time: Only if accompanied by Feats of Strength. 😉 manueljenkin, Bill Brown, Audiophile Neuroscience and 1 other 4 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I heard there would be snacks... MikeyFresh 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
christopher3393 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 28 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: I heard there would be snacks... AudioDoctor 1 Link to comment
Popular Post fas42 Posted February 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 hours ago, pkane2001 said: This might sound convincing coming from somebody else, but considering your personal "missionary" work on ASR, including name calling, cursing, and violent arguments, this might ring somewhat hollow. I looked this up, if this is the thread you're talking about, https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/uptone-audio-etherregen-switch-review.10232/ - and I am fully on the side of thyname here ... I see members of ASR frothing at the mouth with a desire to take offense at a subconscious mistake; and in spite of thyname trying to get it to settle down, the members refuse to be reasonable, and keep trying to escalate the vitriol ... hmmm. RickyV, pkane2001 and thyname 1 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Audiophile Neuroscience Posted February 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 hours ago, kumakuma said: I disagree. We need a good Airing Of The Grievances from time to time: . ..which led to the inevitable cathartic atonement 😄 Bill Brown, manueljenkin and kumakuma 3 Sound Minds Mind Sound Link to comment
DuckToller Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, fas42 said: with a desire to take offense at a subconscious mistake; Frank, I decided to NOT bring that issue openly to discussion here in this threat. I have sent you a pm instead, hoping you could as well refrain from discussing thyname's behaviour over at ASR, because I regard that discussion as unhelpful at Audiophile Style. Link to comment
Popular Post fas42 Posted February 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2020 41 minutes ago, DuckToller said: Frank, I decided to NOT bring that issue openly to discussion here in this threat. I have sent you a pm instead, hoping you could as well refrain from discussing thyname's behaviour over at ASR, because I regard that discussion as unhelpful at Audiophile Style. But it's OK for @pkane2001 to deride his contribution here, on the basis of supposedly bad behaviour on another forum? 🤨 opus101 and thyname 2 Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, fas42 said: But it's OK for @pkane2001 to deride his contribution here, on the basis of supposedly bad behaviour on another forum? 🤨 So what. Ignore him, and maybe he just goes away. If not, then use the ignore member feature. Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted February 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2020 There is a whole lot of you that take this internet thing way too seriously... Does anyone here still enjoy music? 4est, The Computer Audiophile, pas and 4 others 3 2 2 No electron left behind. Link to comment
pkane2001 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, fas42 said: But it's OK for @pkane2001 to deride his contribution here, on the basis of supposedly bad behaviour on another forum? 🤨 It’s ok Frank, I said what I needed to say. I’ll be quiet from now on. fas42 1 -Paul DeltaWave, DISTORT, Earful, PKHarmonic, new: Multitone Analyzer Link to comment
thyname Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 4 hours ago, fas42 said: I looked this up, if this is the thread you're talking about, https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/uptone-audio-etherregen-switch-review.10232/ - and I am fully on the side of thyname here ... I see members of ASR frothing at the mouth with a desire to take offense at a subconscious mistake; and in spite of thyname trying to get it to settle down, the members refuse to be reasonable, and keep trying to escalate the vitriol ... hmmm. I promised myself to refrain from engaging with these people. There, here, anywhere (it’s the same few names). Utterly toxic characters, and not worth my time. Let them be, in their miserable small world, and in their full time job campaign of spreading the gospel (read: venom), ironically in the name of science. soares 1 Link to comment
Popular Post thotdoc Posted February 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 1:02 PM, The Computer Audiophile said: People are taking this way over the top and thinking I am anti-engineering for some reason. I'm anti-fighting when this is supposed to be fun. Providing a space for both parties to discuss topics is idea. This discussion is a slice of the discussion life on AS....how could it be anything else? I support what Chris is trying to do I do not believe the issue really is the defined categories...subjectivists and objectivists, which carry their own inherent biases. But I get the need to do something. And, let's see how it works. Go for it Chris. I think at a human level, some people are in love with their own ideas and that shows by how they promulgate the same ideas over and over in situations where the ideas are not wanted or are specifically germane to the original question and where the ideas move the thread from the original intent to the "interloper's"intent. Chris can try...and it will be a lot of work for him, but my experience in organizational development tells me that ONLY the group can control itself by changing the unwritten rules of the group's culture. This is power struggle between those group members who 'want subjects to start on topic, who value civility in forums such as this...people who are willing to 'let it go to keep the process civil' and those group members who value their freedom to respond exactly how they want. Chris wants his life's work to be successful and not go the 'way of the internet'....while others love the way of the internet. It doesn't have much to do with objectivists and subjectivists. Those are labels that people are using that really are more related to their interactional style. It is up to the group: If you post and you believe someone is antagonistic...do not post back. Let it go and if they push, do not respond...your manhood or womanhood is not at stake. If you start a thread and someone takes it to a different place than you intended and it is clear they are pushing their own agenda, remove them, it's your thread. Bill Brown, The Computer Audiophile, Urs and 2 others 5 Main: sonicTransporter I5>etherRegen>opticalRendu/ghent/UltraCap 1.2> WireWorld Platinum>YGGY Atma-sphere MP-1 3.1> Hegel 30> Maggie 1.7, REL SE 212: Zero Autoformers, Interconnects , Analysis Plus Silver Oval-In, Nordost Heimdall, Power Cables: Synergistic./Shunyata>Chang Litespeed HT:Dish>OPPO>Marantz>Hegel> 3-Maggies/2-Quads>REL Gibraltar>Custom Wire loom>APS>Samsung Plasma 55" Link to comment
Rt66indierock Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Chris, in my opinion the state of Audiophile Style is not good. I've been tracking visits to the site since late 2016 and it sadden me to see it with fewer visits than The Absolute Sound. I expected this when the discussions turned to high resolution v CD quality but it is something we need to work through as a community together not separately. As for the subjective / objective debate is has always been my opinion that you need both. I can dance to any tune but my subjective comments start at how will it play Pet Sounds and only get harder as I go down my reference albums and recordings. Back to regularly scheduled programing. Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted February 25, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2020 21 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said: Chris, in my opinion the state of Audiophile Style is not good. I've been tracking visits to the site since late 2016 and it sadden me to see it with fewer visits than The Absolute Sound. I expected this when the discussions turned to high resolution v CD quality but it is something we need to work through as a community together not separately. As for the subjective / objective debate is has always been my opinion that you need both. I can dance to any tune but my subjective comments start at how will it play Pet Sounds and only get harder as I go down my reference albums and recordings. Back to regularly scheduled programing. You need to be careful with analytics. I can show you direct data that we had 658,000 unique visitors last month. Our biggest month ever. If you’re using the “best guess” method used by third parties, it’s just that. A best guess. When we switched domain names those stats got even further off. Bill Brown, Audiophile Neuroscience, Jud and 1 other 2 1 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
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