Article: Audiophile Style State of the Union

[daverich4]

2 hours ago, austinpop said:

 

A mans gotta do what a mans gotta do.  

Any chance that’s a typo and you meant to say...

A Mansr gotta do what a Mansr gotta do?

[kumakuma]

Just now, daverich4 said:

Any chance that’s a typo and you meant to say...

A Mansr gotta do what a Mansr gotta do?

 

Mans is his name.

[Iving]

let's not beatify any of the dearly departed

[esldude]

7 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

You're misremembering things Dennis. The The Synergistic Research Tricon USB cable ($550) was talked about around here two monts after this site started. Not that I'm proud of it, but just want to get the facts out there. 

Well I can agree the old CA I remember sure isn't the Audiophile Style.  I never liked the new name.  We should have had a funeral for CA when you changed it.

[daverich4]

7 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

Mans is his name.

Jeez, seriously? That wasn’t a little bit funny?

 

[kumakuma]

4 minutes ago, daverich4 said:

Jeez, seriously? That wasn’t a little bit funny?

 

 

Sorry, I appear to have subconsciously adopted the humorless stance of the subjectivists who have taken control of this site. 

[esldude]

33 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

At the end of the day, this was a business decision for Chris and nothing more.  "Subjectivists" buy more stuff and are way more influenced by hype and the Audiophile Press.  Chris is just going where the money is.

 

"it's not personal, it's business"

Yes, it is this and quite transparently so.  Chris cannot put enough lipstick on that pig to fool anyone.

 

Nothing personal just business.  Of course except for Chris and his advertisers it wasn't a business. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, esldude said:

Yes, it is this and quite transparently so.  Chris can put enough lipstick on that pig to fool anyone.

 

Nothing personal just business.  Of course except for Chris and his advertisers it wasn't a business. 

Dream on Dennis. If you don't like it here, leave. 

[esldude]

1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Dream on Dennis. If you don't like it here, leave. 

Yes the welcoming STYLE you now have as we are all here to have fun and enjoy this wonderful hobby.

[pkane2001]

Just now, The Computer Audiophile said:

Dream on Dennis. If you don't like it here, leave. 

 

You are really on a roll, Chris. Pretty soon you will not need the Objectify forum with nobody left to post there. Problem solved, I guess.

[Teresa]

6 hours ago, clipper said:

Right.

 

I think it's all about respect.

 

If the OP believes that USB cables or network switches can make a difference and wants to talk about that, and specifically requests that nonbelievers sit this one out, why can't this be respected? 

 

I’m a subjectivist and I have no trouble not commenting in threads about things I don’t believe in, many of those threads I don’t even visit. 

 

4 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

Sure, OK.  But I don't think your recent actions will be seen as rolling out the red carpet for them.  This is a win for MQA Chris.  I know it seems like I'm trolling but based on the history of MQA here, a strong case could be made that you've handed a huge win to MQA by raising up the "subjectivists" above everyone else.

 

You mark my works, Quint and his ilk we be back in spades, reveling in their "win".

 

I thought most subjectivists also disliked MQA and are fearful of future music being contaminated by MQA. I don't believe this is an objectivist only position. That being the case how can it be a win for MQA.

[The Computer Audiophile]

9 minutes ago, esldude said:

Yes the welcoming STYLE you now have as we are all here to have fun and enjoy this wonderful hobby.

 

6 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

 

You are really on a roll, Chris. Pretty soon you will not need the Objectify forum with nobody left to post there. Problem solved, I guess.

I’m just tired of taking shit from people. I can only be nice and reasonable for so long. Some people don’t respond well to nice and reasonable. Then I just give them the blunt truth. Isn’t that what they do to others?

[esldude]

4 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

I’m just tired of taking shit from people. I can only be nice and reasonable for so long. Some people don’t respond well to nice and reasonable. Then I just give them the blunt truth. Isn’t that what they do to others?

Funny as HELL.    That is exactly the feeling I've had many times just as a poster.  I and those of a similar approach to enjoying our audio have the same experience.  And now you are getting a bit of it and do not seem to be doing very well.  You aren't so cheerful and easy going.  Remember none of the rest of us were killing puppies either. 

[Jud]

43 minutes ago, esldude said:

So we'll keep the aether and offer a special aether free section so as not to upset those not up to speed on the Michelson-Morley results yet. 

That brought a smile.

 

 I think there have always been the recommendations to buy something expensive, exotic, or both. When I said in one of these threads that to be helpful you need to meet people where they are, I was certainly talking about that too. Many’s the time we all remember someone asking for advice on good DACs under $500 and they were lucky if the “bidding” didn’t start at $2000.

I think, as always, the place is what we choose to make it. People chose to keep taking arguments to the extreme, and extreme measures were taken to stop it. (If anyone has better ideas than banning everyone somebody else dislikes, or than forcibly separating us, I’m guessing Chris would welcome them.) If you want the objective forum to be a place the cool kids like to hang out, post cool stuff there. Or not, if it’s too much trouble. Heck, we could probably move the vaporware thread and a few other popular ones there right now.

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, esldude said:

Funny as HELL.    That is exactly the feeling I've had many times just as a poster.  I and those of a similar approach to enjoying our audio have the same experience.  And now you are getting a bit of it and do not seem to be doing very well.  You aren't so cheerful and easy going.  Remember none of the rest of us were killing puppies either. 

The thing is you can easily ignore a USB cable thread. I can’t ignore my own business. 
 

Stop playing the victim Dennis. 

[Samuel T Cogley]

5 minutes ago, Teresa said:

I thought most subjectivists also disliked MQA and are fearful of future music being contaminated by MQA. I don't believe this is an objectivist only position. That being the case how can it be a win for MQA.

 

While I think the whole "objectivist/subjectivist" trope is just intellectual laziness taken to extremes, the changes Chris has made are a win for MQA because their proxies (Atkinson, Quint, Austin, Scoggins, et. al.) will feel no restraint to push the MQA lies with full confidence that they will not be challenged here in any way.  After all, we have to be civil to the Elders, don't we?  This is what they have demanded (just look at Quint's last 10 posts), and Chris has granted it to them with no conditions.  The forum now has no place for dissent.  Chris has been unequivocal: if you don't like it, leave!

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

While I think the whole "objectivist/subjectivist" trope is just intellectual laziness taken to extremes, the changes Chris has made are a win for MQA because their proxies (Atkinson, Quint, Austin, Scoggins, et. al.) will feel no restraint to push the MQA lies with full confidence that they will not be challenged here in any way.  After all, we have to be civil to the Elders, don't we?  This is what they have demanded (just look at Quint's last 10 posts), and Chris has granted it to them with no conditions.  The forum now has no place for dissent.  Chris has been unequivocal: if you don't like it, leave!

 

 

Stop making up stories Sam. If you can’t stop you will be forced to leave as well. Blunt truth. You should like that. 

[esldude]

4 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

While I think the whole "objectivist/subjectivist" trope is just intellectual laziness taken to extremes, the changes Chris has made are a win for MQA because their proxies (Atkinson, Quint, Austin, Scoggins, et. al.) will feel no restraint to push the MQA lies with full confidence that they will not be challenged here in any way.  After all, we have to be civil to the Elders, don't we?  This is what they have demanded (just look at Quint's last 10 posts), and Chris has granted it to them with no conditions.  The forum now has no place for dissent.  Chris has been unequivocal: if you don't like it, leave!

 

 

The real danger probably isn't from a zombie MQA.  It is that something like it will come along in the future.  And Chris has arranged for the forum to have shall we say, no resistance to such a thing in the future. 

[Iving]

1 minute ago, esldude said:

The real danger probably isn't from a zombie MQA.  It is that something like it will come along in the future.  And Chris has arranged for the forum to have shall we say, no resistance to such a thing in the future. 

 

I can understand this - but it implicates AS as EITHER an effective "resistance" node OR a place where Audiophiles can be Audiophiles. If CC was effectively forced to choose then maybe that's what we're seeing.

 

[That said I think I have seen CC say that he considers no-one indispensable in the "resistance" business. I don't have a view about that since I am not here for that purpose primarily.]

[Archimago]

Ouch.

 

From the looks of it, "social mood" of the Union not so good recently...

 

[esldude]

1 minute ago, Iving said:

 

I can understand this - but it implicates AS as EITHER an effective "resistance" node OR a place where Audiophiles can be Audiophiles. If CC was effectively forced to choose then maybe that's what we're seeing.

 

[That said I think I have seen CC say that he considers no-one indispensable in the "resistance" business. I don't have a view about that since I am not here for that purpose primarily.]

I don't see it as an EITHER/OR choice.  I think you can have both.  You can also choose not to have both.  Looks like a choice has been made even if that choice was unintentional. 

[Don Hills]

27 minutes ago, Teresa said:

I’m a subjectivist and I have no trouble not commenting in threads about things I don’t believe in, many of those threads I don’t even visit.

 

I'm an objectivist and I have no trouble not commenting in threads about things I don’t believe in, many of those threads I don’t even visit.

[Iving]

Just now, esldude said:

I don't see it as an EITHER/OR choice.  I think you can have both.  You can also choose not to have both.  Looks like a choice has been made even if that choice was unintentional. 

 

You've missed the "take home" message of the day. (And the "Audiophiles can be Audiophiles" part of my post.)

[Iving]

6 minutes ago, esldude said:

I don't see it as an EITHER/OR choice.  I think you can have both.

 

I made the same point here:

 

[Jim Sylva]