The Computer Audiophile Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said: I completely understand the spin you're putting on the de facto purge. But I'm talking about the actual history of MQA dissent that started on this very forum, not some non sequitur hypothetical. No worries. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Jud Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 37 minutes ago, kumakuma said: MQA is done. I was thinking of the future. Unless @mansr has decided to absent himself from Web audio discussions entirely, his take will still be available to read. Not as convenient as reading it here, I know. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
lucretius Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 12 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Why? They are all subjective unless driven at the same time by a robot. Hard to believe you’d be into that “pseudo-objective” clap trap. What about those dyno graphs? mQa is dead! Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, lucretius said: What about those dyno graphs? What about apples and oranges? Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post pkane2001 Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I've been down this path countless times, naming brands etc... not going down it again for you to ignore the evidence. Plus, you don't seem to want the information so I will not force it down your throat. I do want the information. I've yet to see it. Maybe you can give me a link to where you shared it before. Just did a quick search of your posts mentioning Amir. Only one reference to a brand that you claim Amir will not measure... which he measured earlier that same year, before you even posted the accusation. Should I be asking this question in the Objective Fi forum to get actual evidence? lucretius, tmtomh and esldude 1 2 -Paul DeltaWave, DISTORT, Earful, PKHarmonic, new: Multitone Analyzer Link to comment
Mercman Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, pkane2001 said: I do want the information. I've yet to see it. Maybe you can give me a link to where you shared it before. Just did a quick search of your posts mentioning Amir. Only one reference to a brand that you claim Amir will not measure... which he measured earlier that same year, before you even posted the accusation. Should I be asking this question in the Objective Fi forum to get actual evidence? Some folks just can't grasp what all of this is about. Good job Chris! tmtomh 1 Steve Plaskin Link to comment
Popular Post austinpop Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Jud said: In case you haven't noticed, Chris is kind of at wit's end here, because y'all blew right through the past several ACMs (Asshole Coping Mechanisms). Someone even said "we can be assholes on occasion and you've allowed us to get away with it." So true. Chris has given these guys ample opportunities to mend their ways. After that big Forum Guidelines thread, there were a few days of good behavior, and then it was back to the snark. A mans gotta do what a mans gotta do. Iving, PYP, The Computer Audiophile and 4 others 3 3 1 My Audio Setup Link to comment
Iving Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, austinpop said: So true. Chris has given these guys ample opportunities to mend their ways. After that big Forum Guidelines thread, there were a few days of good behavior, and then it was back to the snark. A mans gotta do what a mans gotta do. yes - remarkable patience, proportionality and fortitude in CC imho The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Popular Post RickyV Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 This is a sad sad day for AudiophileStyle there are no winners here only losers. I think this is especially very hard on Chris. The decision to do this must have been a difficult one. But in the end it will all work out well, I am sure. jma2, The Computer Audiophile and Blake 2 1 Meitner ma1 v2 dac, Sovereign preamp and power amp, DIY speakers, scan speak illuminator. Raal Requisite VM-1a -> SR-1a with Accurate Sound convolution. Under development: NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus, Qobuz. Modded Buffalo-fiber-EtherRegen, DC3- Isoregen, Lush^2 Link to comment
audiobomber Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I generally respond in the tone of the post I'm responding to, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. So if the attitude of a few people improve or they leave, the tone of the site improves. I don't want objectivists or technical experts to leave, but if someone can't be civil, then better they go. Main System: QNAP TS-451+ NAS > Silent Angel Bonn N8 > Sonore opticalModule Deluxe v2 > Corning SMF with Finisar FTLF1318P3BTL SFPs > Uptone EtherREGEN > exaSound PlayPoint and e32 Mk-II DAC > Meitner MTR-101 Plus monoblocks > Bamberg S5-MTM sealed standmount speakers. Crown XLi 1500 powering AV123 Rocket UFW10 stereo subwoofers Upgraded power on all switches, renderer and DAC. Link to comment
Popular Post Cazzesman Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 I feel for you Chris. Being Australian looking in, CA is symptomatic of the current state of the USA. The man at the top sets the agenda regarding what is exceptable in a polite, civil society. With your country being run by a narcissistic, petulant, lying, self absorbed 5 year old has provided everyone with the justification to act accordingly. Civility is in fee fall. Opinion becomes fact. “Many people say” is the go to phrase to justify a stance. Misinformation is king and finding which way is “up” is harder than ever. As was mentioned elsewhere..........if you wouldn’t say the things you write to a persons face, then you need to modify your level of respect. Just my 2 cents from afar. Regards Cazzesman Urs, Don Hills, Albrecht and 5 others 5 2 1 Link to comment
PeterG Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 18 hours ago, Sal1950 said: Not true at all. Amir lets people post most anything they like, but they will probably be asked, mostly by members, to supply verifiable confirmation. That IMO is only fair. You can't just make up fake news there and expect to get away with it. I hope you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Amir the guy who went on an incredible rant about the Schiit Yggdrasil because it did not measure well enough to be as good as the rest of the world believes it to be? The whole episode seemed like a personal attack. Regardless of whether the Yggy is a good DAC or not, it was not objective approach, in the common English use of the word, even if he was asserting an "objectivist" position. So let's not get too fixed on Amir being fair or scientific in his approach davide256 and tmtomh 1 1 Link to comment
PeterG Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 17 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: It’s going to take some common sense and communication between those who really want to help make it work. If you aren’t up for it, I understand. I don't expect any of my comments to be objectivist. but maybe it would help those who are moved to send them a notification similar to other notifications on post reactions Link to comment
PeterG Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 12 hours ago, marce said: But it is OK to read the same subjective statement a million times... Why do you have to hide behind the teachers legs, provide proof, explanations and fight science with science, because music reproduction is science... Making and creating music is art, capturing, recording and playback is engineering. I did not say that, and no I do not think it is helpful for people to repeat things endlessly. If I wanted to hide behind someone's legs I would have remained silent, or just upvoted others. The beginning of your post is the kind of incivility I hope we can get rid of. Ironically, the end of your post argues for my position that we should ban people not segregate ideas--the music and its reproduction are (should be?) inseparable to enjoyment, are they not? Link to comment
PeterG Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Jud said: Back a few years this all was new enough that I think more of us felt we needed help where we could find it, and had an obligation to provide it if we could. There was more of a sense of being in this together before we all got so damn swaggeringly confident in ourselves. YES!!! In my early years at this, Chris and other posters on CA were absolutely essential to my ability to put together a decent system. THANKS TO ALL ADVICE GIVERS OF OLD!!! The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Popular Post PeterG Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said: No doubt some will disagree, but MQA just got a huge boost from Audiophile Style. Gone now is the venue that dared challenge the Old Guard of the Audiophile Elders. Gone now is the irreverence that made Computer Audiophile Style what it is today. I understand the business need to bow to the market. But the "subjectivists" just won the lottery here. As more time passes, it will become more and more indistinguishable from forums like Hoffman. A truly sad day. Hi Sam, I disagree with many of your posts, but at least all the ones I remember were well expressed, and many of those were very interesting. Interesting enough that I once Googled your name. I hope you will not be discouraged for long, that you will continue to post, and that you live long and prosper tmtomh, Samuel T Cogley, The Computer Audiophile and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
Popular Post esldude Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Jud said: I've seen you being genuinely helpful (and seen you being criticized unfairly for it, and responded to the critics that they were in the wrong, as you may recall). Sincerely hope you won't give up trying. Saw you disagreed with my other post, or at least some portion of it. I really do think this is a matter of being able to play well with others - that's everyone. I think, very sadly, that we may have shown we can't. I hope everyone here proves me wrong. I've not forgotten those times you spoke up for some fairness in considering my posts. If it is a matter of being able to play well with others, Chris decided we can't. So now you won't be allowed to play with others. If you have certain viewpoints the default position is you'll stick in one 2nd grade sub-forum. Imagine..... those who attempt to keep to things that follow known science, physics and rational principles disagree with some who spin yarns from the aether. So we'll keep the aether and offer a special aether free section so as not to upset those not up to speed on the Michelson-Morley results yet. So considering Brandolini's law, and how some companies use the Gish Gallop as a marketing method, yes once things are additionally stacked against you, you would only be wise to give up trying in one place and go elsewhere. Chris has structured things that way now on his forums. One need only look at the predecessor he is following at Head Fi. Now AS is poised to slide all the way to maximal profit with no contrary views possible in the mainstream discussions of the forum. Head Fi is the largest audio forum on the internet by a good margin. kumakuma and phosphorein 2 And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
loop7 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I have to admit my visit frequency has faded over the last year due to some of the posts I've read that seem too confrontational so I'm glad @The Computer Audiophile posted this in addition to the sub forum's creation. The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Samuel T Cogley Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 At the end of the day, this was a business decision for Chris and nothing more. "Subjectivists" buy more stuff and are way more influenced by hype and the Audiophile Press. Chris is just going where the money is. "it's not personal, it's business" daverich4, esldude, bobfa and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, esldude said: One need only look at the predecessor he is following at Head Fi. Now AS is poised to slide all the way to maximal profit with no contrary views possible in the mainstream discussions of the forum. Head Fi is the largest audio forum on the internet by a good margin. I've always looked at what Jude has done with Head-Fi as a great model. He has a huge audience that has maximized its enjoyment of this wonderful hobby. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that in my book. Teresa 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said: At the end of the day, this was a business decision for Chris and nothing more. "Subjectivists" buy more stuff and are way more influenced by hype and the Audiophile Press. Chris is just going where the money is. "it's not personal, it's business" Not really Sam. This place has to be enjoyable for me, otherwise it turns into a job that I could get anywhere, but with much less hassle. It wasn't enjoyable for me babysit adults who had every opportunity to curtail their own behavior and follow the well known rules. I could have banned those who couldn't follow the rules, but I opted to give them an opportunity and to give the objective minded ones who do follow the rules a place free from BS. Perhaps we end up in the same position with respect to some people leaving but it isn't about the money. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Samuel T Cogley Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I've always looked at what Jude has done with Head-Fi as a great model. He has a huge audience that has maximized its enjoyment of this wonderful hobby. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that in my book. Last week, I would not have believed you aspire for AS to be like Head-Fi. After this weekend, it's still a little shocking, but totally jibes with your new industry-friendly makeover. I expect to see Scoggins back here any minute now... esldude 1 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Samuel T Cogley said: Last week, I would not have believed you aspire for AS to be like Head-Fi. After this weekend, it's still a little shocking, but totally jibes with your new industry-friendly makeover. I expect to see Scoggins back here any minute now... Understood. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
esldude Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 54 minutes ago, PeterG said: YES!!! In my early years at this, Chris and other posters on CA were absolutely essential to my ability to put together a decent system. THANKS TO ALL ADVICE GIVERS OF OLD!!! Those bygone days were when you asked how to connect something you'd be told use a USB cable meeting spec. While now the same question with that answer will result in being told you'll need a somewhat expensive cable, and one or two USB cleaners, and maybe some optional power supplies for the cleaners before you can expect good results. I learned a lot in those days, now you'll mostly be helped to spend lots of money on dubious gear for some pretty simple setups. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, esldude said: Those bygone days were when you asked how to connect something you'd be told use a USB cable meeting spec. While now the same question with that answer will result in being told you'll need a somewhat expensive cable, and one or two USB cleaners, and maybe some optional power supplies for the cleaners before you can expect good results. I learned a lot in those days, now you'll mostly be helped to spend lots of money on dubious gear for some pretty simple setups. You're misremembering things Dennis. The The Synergistic Research Tricon USB cable ($550) was talked about around here two monts after this site started. Not that I'm proud of it, but just want to get the facts out there. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
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