Popular Post Jud Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 hours ago, mansr said: The creators of Jewish ghettos might have said the same thing. Yes, this is plainly on the same level as that. 🙄 4est, tmtomh, AudioDoctor and 1 other 2 1 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 22 minutes ago, Sal1950 said: Yes Sir, that is censorship in its worst form, to ban the process of critical thinking. You had a comment in a thread that you wanted Qobuz to do an app for Linux. I gave you a link to a guide for installing the Qobuz app in Linux, and then answered several more questions you had about the subject. I personally use Audirvana to play Qobuz. So perhaps I ought to have given you a piece of my mind and told you to forget all about Linux and use Windows or Mac to run Audirvana instead, because that's what I feel is the best way to do things. But I didn't substitute my judgment for yours and tell you what I thought was best. I gave you the information I knew you wanted instead. It's called being considerate and helpful, you should try it. jvlata, The Computer Audiophile, andrewinukm and 11 others 5 7 1 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, sdolezalek said: As ones of those who simply stopped posting when the noise started to exceed the signal, I'm not encouraged by the response to Chris' change. The problem is mostly a lack of self control. Most abusers know who they are and will behave badly until punished severely enough to briefly get them to start behaving better. But who wants to run a site where you have to spend a huge amount of your time "getting abusive children to behave?" The problem neither this site, nor any website I know of, has been able to fix is that "controversy sells." if you want lots of web traffic, create controversy. A friendly helpful site is great, but boring. I bet a quick analysis would show that heated arguments here get 3X to 5X the number of responses as non-controversial topics. If you can fix that, you will change the world. Here's hoping you can! 😉 Thanks, have missed your input (along with that of some of the "objectivists" who used to hang around here, like @goldsdad). As other folks have said, it doesn't seem nearly so much a matter of objective and subjective as it does people who wish to score points versus people who wish to be helpful. Back a few years this all was new enough that I think more of us felt we needed help where we could find it, and had an obligation to provide it if we could. There was more of a sense of being in this together before we all got so damn swaggeringly confident in ourselves. In case you haven't noticed, Chris is kind of at wit's end here, because y'all blew right through the past several ACMs (Asshole Coping Mechanisms). Someone even said "we can be assholes on occasion and you've allowed us to get away with it." News flash, Chris ain't your mommy. My wife works in an after school program with a couple of dozen kindergarteners through fifth graders, and that's plenty exhausting enough. Dealing with adults who want to act like grade schoolers is a little too much. Just be helpful. That means meeting people where they are, not where you figure they ought to be. Blake, WAM, AudioDoctor and 19 others 11 5 4 2 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, pkane2001 said: 'Appropriate threads' is the thing that Chris has yet to define, and I asked repeatedly. According to him, it's a 'gray area', so my posts are subject to removal from any thread (other than in Objective Fi, I assume), with no way for me to judge ahead of time if I'm going to be booted or tolerated, and what logic will be used to make this decision. That's what I have a problem with. I agree it's far from ideal, but other measures including your suggestion of giving OPs control of threads have been tried and been ineffective, so determined are we to argue rather than help. Notice Chris is only just now trying this after the forum has been running for many years, so for him it's much closer to a last resort than a first instinct. Head-Fi has a similar arrangement. Perhaps, depressing as the thought is, once the number of audiophiles in a group becomes large enough, they all fall to constant arguing unless separated into like minded groups. Could you prove differently by looking at the most active recent threads on this site? The Computer Audiophile, Teresa and Don Hills 3 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, kumakuma said: You guys won. Unfortunately no one did. Because this wasn't some battle or contest, it was a bunch of folks trying to enjoy their music more who couldn't get along well enough to learn from each other and make it work. Don Hills, AudioDoctor, austinpop and 6 others 8 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, esldude said: The bs and the money won. Chris won. Makers of make believe won. Hard to be genuinely helpful in such an environment. Easy to spin the fanciful tale. I've seen you being genuinely helpful (and seen you being criticized unfairly for it, and responded to the critics that they were in the wrong, as you may recall). Sincerely hope you won't give up trying. Saw you disagreed with my other post, or at least some portion of it. I really do think this is a matter of being able to play well with others - that's everyone. I think, very sadly, that we may have shown we can't. I hope everyone here proves me wrong. 4est, The Computer Audiophile, tmtomh and 2 others 3 2 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, kumakuma said: The reality is that the folks that you all consider the most disruptive are also the ones with the most technical skills and knowledge. In at least some cases, yes. The fact that a person has technical skills and knowledge doesn't prevent that person from also being disruptive. Did you have professors in college who were accomplished but jerks? How easy was it to learn from them? A big part of my reason for being here is to learn. In order to teach effectively, you must not only know the material, you must communicate effectively, and if the people you're communicating with know you don't respect them, that's going to interfere with learning. If some folks simply refuse to learn, there's little you, I or anyone can do about it. (I'm thinking of the guy who insisted in the face of dozens of replies that he could only get the best sound with six different USB reclockers/regenerators in front of his DAC.) But you can work with the ones who will learn - notice that's *work with* them, not ridicule them. Blake, Teresa, The Computer Audiophile and 4 others 3 3 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, pkane2001 said: I don't think I've disrespected or attacked anyone, although I've been attacked many times in the past. I would agree. 5 minutes ago, pkane2001 said: Civility must go both ways, and current winds seem to be mightily one-sided to me. You're very likely correct about this too, it seems to me, just because there are far more subjectively oriented people here. That's why when I'm saying people must play well with others, I'm not intending to be at all one-sided about it. It has to go for everyone. pkane2001, tmtomh, 4est and 2 others 5 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said: But also surprising if you take objectivists at their word of wanting to better the audio world and leave lasting information for newbies. I guess without the satisfaction of pissing in someone’s punch bowl, the altruism is gone. I think it's more than understandable these goings-on haven't left you in a great mood, but with respect, I do think this is unfair. People post more in the heat of an argument. If there's "lasting information for newbies" that's correct and sufficient, what need to post more? The Computer Audiophile, tmtomh and Don Hills 2 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Jud Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 35 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: I thought Sandy was removed from this thread - why are you addressing him? Ah, ever the scamp. 😀 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Jud Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 37 minutes ago, kumakuma said: MQA is done. I was thinking of the future. Unless @mansr has decided to absent himself from Web audio discussions entirely, his take will still be available to read. Not as convenient as reading it here, I know. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, esldude said: So we'll keep the aether and offer a special aether free section so as not to upset those not up to speed on the Michelson-Morley results yet. That brought a smile. I think there have always been the recommendations to buy something expensive, exotic, or both. When I said in one of these threads that to be helpful you need to meet people where they are, I was certainly talking about that too. Many’s the time we all remember someone asking for advice on good DACs under $500 and they were lucky if the “bidding” didn’t start at $2000. I think, as always, the place is what we choose to make it. People chose to keep taking arguments to the extreme, and extreme measures were taken to stop it. (If anyone has better ideas than banning everyone somebody else dislikes, or than forcibly separating us, I’m guessing Chris would welcome them.) If you want the objective forum to be a place the cool kids like to hang out, post cool stuff there. Or not, if it’s too much trouble. Heck, we could probably move the vaporware thread and a few other popular ones there right now. PYP and 4est 2 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, firedog said: The 48khz reference is totally confused and wrong, for example.... Assuming he's referring to the time period of a 48kHz wavelength, I'm guessing that's a reference to Kunchur. His stuff is somewhat controversial because the noticeable time period he found is shorter than that found in experiments by others. And the relevance for digital audio is also a matter for discussion (for example, it doesn't mean a 48kHz sample rate is required for accurate reproduction). tapatrick and esldude 1 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I’ve yet to see a better solution. That's pretty much the key. Better solution, otherwise live with the bronze bullet, however flawed. The Computer Audiophile and Iving 2 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Jud Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, tmtomh said: Thanks for your reply, Chris. I'm sorry you feeling so thin on patience and I certainly can understand why you are feeling that way. I also am sorry to have contributed to that. I will say, however, that this response is not what I was hoping for. I could let audiobomber's claim be, but I don't want to, because I'm a member here too, and this is not a thread about USB cables (I consciously considered what kind of thread I was about to post my reply in, because I have listened and tried to be attentive to what you're trying to accomplish here). But if a polite, civil comment about the fact-opinion distinction, in a non-subjectivist thread, is considered to be hi-fi policing, then I'm inclined to withdraw from most discussion moving forward. Not going to throw a tantrum or ask for my account to be deleted. Just calmly saying it's not a set of parameters that contributes to my enjoyment of our shared hobby. Hello my friend. I don't recall seeing a post of yours that wasn't measured and considered. That being the case, maybe it's possible to exercise your good judgment, with the possibility of sometimes being wrong (I've had posts removed by Chris and have apologized), and just go forward with that, rather than asking Chris to be OmniNanny. The Computer Audiophile 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2020 43 minutes ago, esldude said: You are correct. So does this post have to be quarantined to prevent spoiling the fun of the poster you were responding to? Using my judgment, I'd say the OP didn't seem to have reacted with great pleasure to what @firedog was saying, firstly. Second, this type of discussion does seem to me to be suited, in an entirely good way, for an objective forum. I would like to discuss academic papers such as Kunchur's in a place where objective factual evidence, academic research, etc., are highly valued. I would also invite the OP to the discussion, provided, of course, he would wish and agree to abide by the tone of the objective part of the forum. I think that's part of being helpful, but of course it only helps the OP (and anyone else who might look in) if they want to be helped. Once again, not an ideal solution, but it seems to me it's up to us to suggest something better. (In my day job, when we provide a response, it is never just to say "This is bad," since that tends not to work very often or very well. Rather, we always say "Here is something we think is better," which seems to work out more often.) 4est, Bill Brown and Solstice380 3 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Jud Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, manueljenkin said: I know my craft and don't think anything I've said is wrong, but if you believe so, you always have the freedom to (let me be the subjectivist pleb you feel I am). I don't even know who kunchur is (until now), the references are from other studies. Not posting it here and making a mess. Make a new thread and I'll post the relevant materials there. Chris, I apologize for the post. Realized I made things worse than what it already was. References from studies are always very welcome. I for one would be interested and happy to read them. As I noted above, it seems to me something like this would be perfect for the objective area of the forum, provided you are agreeable to abiding by the spirit and tone. Would you like to start a thread there? manueljenkin 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Jud Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I don't think it's revealing any confidences in saying that @manueljenkin tells me via PM he would like to eventually do a thread. Until then I may pass along references that seem interesting. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2020 Anyone else think all the rich chocolatey goodness has long since been drained from this discussion (unless someone comes up with a brilliant alternative)? The Computer Audiophile, 4est and daverich4 3 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, kumakuma said: I disagree. We need a good Airing Of The Grievances from time to time: Only if accompanied by Feats of Strength. 😉 kumakuma, Audiophile Neuroscience, Bill Brown and 1 other 4 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
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