Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted February 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Teresa said: I thought most subjectivists also disliked MQA and are fearful of future music being contaminated by MQA. I don't believe this is an objectivist only position. That being the case how can it be a win for MQA. You are correct, it is not only an objectivist position. Similarly, one need not only be strict objectivist or subjectivist, there is plenty of room to be somewhere in between, no need need to pick a particular camp or tribe and then fight to the death for that "side's" groupthink or dogma. I wish more people would adopt a stance somewhere in the middle, I don't outright reject either objective or subjective viewpoints, instead I try to take each one for what's it's worth in any given discussion. There is room for a middle ground, always has been. Many engineers do also then finalize their product designs by listening, and I'm not talkin' about any stringent double blind ABX crap either. One and a half, Bill Brown, emcdade and 7 others 2 8 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted February 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, tmtomh said: I think this is the simplest, clearest, and most honest description of the situation Firstly, I'd like to thank you not only for this post but for many others over the years, including one that I was unable to reply to in another now closed thread just today. 40 minutes ago, tmtomh said: The message is clear: Subjectivists are the majority, objectivists are the minority, so objectivists get a subforum, and subjectivists get... everywhere else. Want to talk about Music Servers? Go to the Music Server subforum - unless you're an objectivist, in which case you need to go to the Objective-fi subforum. Same for Networking, DACs, and pretty much every other topic - and maybe even Q&A(!). This I'm not so sure of, I said in another thread today that not everything need be so black and white, subjective vs. objective, with absolutely no middle ground to occupy in between. I do not consider myself a subjectivist or objectivist, rather somewhere in the middle. I neither fully reject nor embrace the stance of either camp, nor do I think everyone should be so quick to choose which tribe they will occupy, then fight to the death while flying that flag. I for one belong to no tribe. There is a large middle ground, one that I believe both you and I occupy, and many other members here too. Those members should be, and are indeed free to post in either place, as long as they don't attack the opinions of others. If I'm wrong, it's because I've paid relatively little strict attention to the new rules of the road, as I expect they might need polishing and or clarification as we move along. I do however sympathize with any objectivist who might feel they have been have been ostracized or pushed into a corner. 40 minutes ago, tmtomh said: I believe this problem was inevitable, because this site always has represented the coming-together of two very different cultures, encapsulated in the original name: "Computer" and "Audiophile." In the old days, as has been remarked by others, a lot of help, advice, and exploration were needed just to get computer-based home-audio streaming setups together. Now the industry has matured and appliances and audio components have largely displaced home-brew setups with actual computers in them. The market has shifted upwards and more firmly into "audiophile" territory and away from "computer" territory. Well said, and with that an inevitable polarization of sorts. It is my observation/opinion that the divide has been more strictly pushed by the objective camp, I see the subjective side more ready and able to digest a dissenting stance, but the objective side not so agreeable to anything but their own dogma. I accept that others may see it differently, but the objectivist side in my view tends to be less accepting of alternative findings or beliefs, and has more readily devolved the discourse into sheer mockery. I say that coming again from what I consider to be the middle ground. I substantiate the claim of a large middle ground already occupied by the likes of me (and likely you too) by the very existence and ongoing popularity of the MQA Vaporware thread. I see an interesting dichotomy there in that the majority of anti-MQA posts are decidedly from the objective camp, but not entirely so. There are both subjectivists there of a like mind, and a still larger contingent (including myself) occupying a middle ground, not on MQA of course, but on all things audio. I think many of the objectivists that post there might be surprised to find out just how many of the members there agreeing with them 100% on the topic of MQA are either subjectivists, or occupying the middle ground like me. That thread then is sort of proof positive that not everything need be so black and white, choose a side, but only one, there is no middle ground. I do beg to differ, and in that sense perhaps this revamp of site rules will warrant another look by CC at some point down the road, sooner or later. PeterG, Bill Brown, tmtomh and 5 others 6 2 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted February 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, tapatrick said: I tried visiting the quoted example of ASR as a source of info and quickly found it an appalling place. DIYaudio is a fine example. My sentiments exactly, and that's not to say DIYaudio has been 100% free of heated discussion or even banned members over the years, but it doesn't even begin to resemble the other place you mention above which many others including myself also find appalling. The members at DIYaudio tend to be very technically astute, and also very willing to provide help to those that aren't as qualified as they are. AS/CA has been and can be moving forward that very same sort of thing, where ASR as currently constituted simply cannot, not even close. tapatrick and audiobomber 2 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted February 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, PeterG said: The best way to use theses sites is as a source of hypotheses to be tested with one's own ears Absolutely, and I've always felt the same regarding TAS, and Stereophile too. They aren't the Bible, and do need to be taken with a grain of salt, but are otherwise enjoyable and at times useful in considering any particular product, either as a curiosity, or towards an upcoming purchase decision. The Computer Audiophile, Bill Brown, Teresa and 1 other 4 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted February 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, MikePM said: "cesspool"? Apparently you don't read the same content I do. No I think he's got it exactly right, but to each his own then. 2 hours ago, MikePM said: I recently built a hypex nc400 amp based on the measurements and reviews at ASR and love it. Paired with my Schiit Freya + it sounds much better that what I have owned before. Congrats on that, but ASR wouldn't be the only place to learn about NC400 based amp builds, not by a long shot. 2 hours ago, MikePM said: I hesitated, however, to go with the hypex due to the harsh anti-class D subjective comments on this forum. That too is a generalization, there are both pro and anti Class D comments on this forum, all you have to do is look. If you are referring to the infamous GUTB's anti-class D tirades, that's just one guy's opinion and very easy to ignore based on his overall posting style/content, no? GUTB's stance on Class D is not the stance of an entire forum, but then you'd know that if you really looked. 2 hours ago, MikePM said: p.s., But bad measurements probably do translate into bad sound. Also a generalization, there are many things that don't measure particularly well that do actually sound good, or even great. daverich4, audiobomber, Audiophile Neuroscience and 4 others 2 2 2 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, fas42 said: But it's OK for @pkane2001 to deride his contribution here, on the basis of supposedly bad behaviour on another forum? 🤨 So what. Ignore him, and maybe he just goes away. If not, then use the ignore member feature. Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
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