Popular Post DuckToller Posted February 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: +1000000000000000000 Chris, I am far away from being a hard core objectivist and I symphatise with a lot of subjective experiences, but there are some concerns that occur to me: If I am not mistaken, there are (theoretically) three sub genres at present in the forum : objective - mixed zone - subjective. How do the members avoid having the "mixed zone" threads derailed by either wing??? From the announced construct - in the way I've understood this - there seems to be only one way for any unintentional objectivity surfacing from an "undefined" mixed zone that is included in the mainly subjective Top-forum -> down to the Objective-Fi section. Please correct me if I misunderstood the process. Maybe that is the best solution for the time being; however it looks a bit flawed, imho. Who will control that posting portage and is it intended to be a service initiated by denouncing from "concerned" members? Or rephrased, how can people avoid to be constantly "sub-graded" with their contribution or the threads they started, when there is no per se defined cease-fire zone inviting both wings to fruitful and controversial discussions?Please look at that as a serious technical concern. In Germany there is nowadays a reflex to denounce serious, critical and sometimes objective presentation of information (usually starting just a toddler's feet left from the right wing) immediately as "Lügenpresse". This is a sign of the times and rather a serious concern than a joke.As much as I agree at the objective part of your analysis; I can't say that I have confidence in the most visible actors of the other wing. From my personal experience with human nature, appealing to some member's civility for that precise case would somehow castrate their subliminal feeling of gaining back control and winning... lucretius, pkane2001 and tmtomh 3 Link to comment
DuckToller Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, pkane2001 said: That's not it. I was following up on your answer to Mans, and it made little sense to me in the context of what you described. Sorry if I tried to use some humor to illustrate the point. To restate: is it OK to have objectively-sourced information posted in the subjective area of the forum? Ever? Or can it be done but only without snark? Or only if the subjective audience doesn't mind the answer? And is it the whole audience, at least 10 readers, or any one who complains that triggers the move to Objective-Fi? When and how is the decision made that an answer doesn't qualify for the subjective part of the forum? +1 Link to comment
DuckToller Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 17 hours ago, thyname said: You are totally missing the point with this move Chris @The Computer Audiophile. The “objectivists” post in all audio forums with a purpose: to save the poor souls from the evil of snake oil and high end audio charlatans and scammers. They already have their own site somewhere else (we know where). But they cannot save anyone there, as they are all saints. So they need to go to other places to do the saving. Like good missionaries. If they all talk between themselves, it’s very boring, and serves no purpose. Bottom line: this ain’t gone work. Look up the meaning of “missionary” in dictionary. They need to go places Please let me point out that there is, however, a thick grey area between missionaries and crusaders. As a side note and my personal opinion: I usually sense a strong form of deliberate denigration of opponents when reading religious intentions attached to people or camps, who are per se rather agnostic (which in turn does not help against showing bad manners & attitudes in Audio forum discussions). Just my 2cents. Link to comment
DuckToller Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, fas42 said: with a desire to take offense at a subconscious mistake; Frank, I decided to NOT bring that issue openly to discussion here in this threat. I have sent you a pm instead, hoping you could as well refrain from discussing thyname's behaviour over at ASR, because I regard that discussion as unhelpful at Audiophile Style. Link to comment
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