Munchoba Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Hi, In Chris' great review of the Meitner DAC, he said: The best sound, without question, was had by pairing the DV2 with the Sonore Signature Rendu SE Optical feeding the USB input of the DV2. Can someone explain, in layman terms, where in my system I could use a Sonore? System: QNAP NAS, Tidal on my network---dCS Bartok Dac-streamer-XLR to Nagra amp- Acapella speakers. Mac Mini running Roon--USB into the Bartok. So, what device and where would I use it in this setup? Thanks, Bernard You two men go that way... QNAP TS-131P->2019 Mac Mini-> -> dCS BArtok -> balanced XLR -> Nagra MPA ->Shunyata Research cables and Hydra 6 -> Acapella La Campanella 2 horn speakers and REL R-328 SubBase. HiFi Rack Reference audio stand. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Munchoba said: Hi, In Chris' great review of the Meitner DAC, he said: The best sound, without question, was had by pairing the DV2 with the Sonore Signature Rendu SE Optical feeding the USB input of the DV2. Can someone explain, in layman terms, where in my system I could use a Sonore? System: QNAP NAS, Tidal on my network---dCS Bartok Dac-streamer-XLR to Nagra amp- Acapella speakers. Mac Mini running Roon--USB into the Bartok. So, what device and where would I use it in this setup? Thanks, Bernard What other inputs does your amp have? SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
Munchoba Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 I see a few XLR . See picture please. thx You two men go that way... QNAP TS-131P->2019 Mac Mini-> -> dCS BArtok -> balanced XLR -> Nagra MPA ->Shunyata Research cables and Hydra 6 -> Acapella La Campanella 2 horn speakers and REL R-328 SubBase. HiFi Rack Reference audio stand. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, Munchoba said: I see a few XLR . See picture please. thx If you want to use a Rendu then you need a USB to XLR converter. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
ericuco Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Seems to me the Sonore Signature Rendu SE Optical would fit between your Mac & dCS BArtok. Both the Mac & Rendu would be connected to a network switch, one with a SFP (fiber optic port). The Rendu & BArtok would connect via USB. Eric Audio System Link to comment
jcn3 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, ericuco said: Seems to me the Sonore Signature Rendu SE Optical would fit between your Mac & dCS BArtok. Both the Mac & Rendu would be connected to a network switch, one with a SFP (fiber optic port). The Rendu & BArtok would connect via USB. @Munchoba -- the bartok has network streamer capabilities built in -- the rendu series would be redundant. only reason to go with the rendu series is if you think they would sound better than the bartok on its own. as mentioned above, you would connect the rendu to the bartok via usb. ericuco 1 (1) holo audio red (hqp naa) > chord dave > luxman cl-38uc/mq-88uc > kef reference 1 (2) simaudio moon mind 2 > chord qutest > luxman sq-n150 > monitor audio gold gx100 Link to comment
Munchoba Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 Thanks. I actually thought the Rendu helped with USB noise, didn't know it acted as a streamer. I thought it went between the Mac and the Bartok also. Not exactly sure why Chris raves about it and what it does. Bernard You two men go that way... QNAP TS-131P->2019 Mac Mini-> -> dCS BArtok -> balanced XLR -> Nagra MPA ->Shunyata Research cables and Hydra 6 -> Acapella La Campanella 2 horn speakers and REL R-328 SubBase. HiFi Rack Reference audio stand. Link to comment
jcn3 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Munchoba said: Thanks. I actually thought the Rendu helped with USB noise, didn't know it acted as a streamer. I thought it went between the Mac and the Bartok also. Not exactly sure why Chris raves about it and what it does. Bernard If you already have a dac you like and a music server, then the rendu series make fabulous renderers/endpoints that connect to your dac via usb. They do one thing and do it really well. IMO you should use your Mac as a server and connect your Bartok to your network and use it as an endpoint. This completely eliminates the need for USB. (1) holo audio red (hqp naa) > chord dave > luxman cl-38uc/mq-88uc > kef reference 1 (2) simaudio moon mind 2 > chord qutest > luxman sq-n150 > monitor audio gold gx100 Link to comment
vortecjr Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 2 hours ago, ericuco said: Seems to me the Sonore Signature Rendu SE Optical would fit between your Mac & dCS BArtok. Both the Mac & Rendu would be connected to a network switch, one with a SFP (fiber optic port). The Rendu & BArtok would connect via USB. That is a good point. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 1 hour ago, jcn3 said: @Munchoba -- the bartok has network streamer capabilities built in -- the rendu series would be redundant. only reason to go with the rendu series is if you think they would sound better than the bartok on its own. as mentioned above, you would connect the rendu to the bartok via usb. Another reason is to add support for a protocol (NAA, SqueezeLite, MPD/DLNA, etc) that the dCS does not support. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
jcn3 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, vortecjr said: Another reason is to add support for a protocol (NAA, SqueezeLite, MPD/DLNA, etc) that the dCS does not support. The Bartok does support UPNP streaming. (1) holo audio red (hqp naa) > chord dave > luxman cl-38uc/mq-88uc > kef reference 1 (2) simaudio moon mind 2 > chord qutest > luxman sq-n150 > monitor audio gold gx100 Link to comment
k-man Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 22 hours ago, Munchoba said: The best sound, without question, was had by pairing the DV2 with the Sonore Signature Rendu SE Optical feeding the USB input of the DV2. You plucked a statement which indicates that the Meitners have superseded dCS Rossini (Meitners don't have an ethernet input). A previous review also suggested the Rendu via USB was superior to the Ros's own ethernet input. We are talking about a really high value system here, so the difference in a Bartok ought to be less subtle. As with the other posters recommendations, I think you are better off to use the Bartok's ethernet input, and if you wish to elevate it further, utilise optical transmission with a pair of Sonore's opticalModules, or UpTone's EtherREGEN. Since you are using Roon, just stick with their protocol. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 4 hours ago, jcn3 said: The Bartok does support UPNP streaming. Cool. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 3 hours ago, k-man said: You plucked a statement which indicates that the Meitners have superseded dCS Rossini (Meitners don't have an ethernet input). A previous review also suggested the Rendu via USB was superior to the Ros's own ethernet input. We are talking about a really high value system here, so the difference in a Bartok ought to be less subtle. As with the other posters recommendations, I think you are better off to use the Bartok's ethernet input, and if you wish to elevate it further, utilise optical transmission with a pair of Sonore's opticalModules, or UpTone's EtherREGEN. Since you are using Roon, just stick with their protocol. These are good options as well. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
Munchoba Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 Thank you, all of you for these comments. I have been using the Bartok on my network only for a while now, not using the MAc via USB. Regards and Thanks again. k-man 1 You two men go that way... QNAP TS-131P->2019 Mac Mini-> -> dCS BArtok -> balanced XLR -> Nagra MPA ->Shunyata Research cables and Hydra 6 -> Acapella La Campanella 2 horn speakers and REL R-328 SubBase. HiFi Rack Reference audio stand. Link to comment
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