A Well-Sorted Rig

[RickyV]

I do not like the word “rig” I keep thinking of “oil rig”. Must be an American thing to call there beloved piece of hardware a rig.

[mansr]

[RickyV]

4 minutes ago, mansr said:

ah, didn’t know that.
well-sorted and “ makeshift or hasty way” may not go well together.

[sphinxsix]

36 minutes ago, RickyV said:

I do not like the word “rig” I keep thinking of “oil rig”.

 

I also don't like the word, it reminds of the word describing what is often a missing link in audiophile systems - 'rug' 

[fas42]

Horror of horrors ... I used the forum search, with the term "rig" - hmm, 195 pages of 'abuse' of the word; starting in 2008 ... oh dear, who was the very first offender ... my goodness, our dear Chris, 😝 - and again, on the next last page, by date order 😉.

 

Yes, a system is as good as a rig, by the dictionary - I just feel that there is a sense of greater integrity implied by the term "system", as compared to the other.

[lucretius]

22 minutes ago, RickyV said:

ah, didn’t know that.
well-sorted and “ makeshift or hasty way” may not go well together.

 

I don't know about that.  "Well-sorted" just means the components are "suitably matched"; it doesn't imply their was careful selection. The components could be suitably matched despite being put together in a hasty way. ☺️

[lucretius]

36 minutes ago, mansr said:

 

Of course, that 'rig' is a verb!

[daverich4]

1 hour ago, gmgraves said:

Well, a “rig”, other than referring to a tractor/trailer 18-wheeler truck, was first used by amateur radio operators (Hams) to describe their set-ups. So it’s kind of natural for audiophiles to appropriate the term. After all, they are both comprised of a bunch of separate components connected together to achieve a single goal.

It was used as a noun long before Ham Operators used it. 
 

https://www.etymonline.com/word/rig

[RickyV]

12 minutes ago, sphinxsix said:

 

I also don't like the word, it reminds of the word describing what is often a missing link in audiophile systems - 'rug' 

Yes, acoustic treatment must be part of a well sorted rig.

[lucretius]

2 minutes ago, daverich4 said:

It was used as a noun long before Ham Operators used it. 
 

https://www.etymonline.com/word/rig

 

Of course, but when was that noun first used to mean, generally,  a collection of separate components connected together to achieve a single goal?

[RickyV]

11 minutes ago, lucretius said:

 

I don't know about that.  "Well-sorted" just means the components are "suitably matched"; it doesn't imply their was careful selection. The components could be suitably matched despite being put together in a hasty way. ☺️

This might go for hifi but not for high-end audio.

[sphinxsix]

29 minutes ago, RickyV said:

Yes, acoustic treatment must be part of a well sorted rig.

 

I wholeheartedly agree, IMO it's also a good thing if acoustic treatment is sort of.. well sorted too.. 

[daverich4]

8 minutes ago, lucretius said:

 

Of course, but when was that noun first used to mean, generally,  a collection of separate components connected together to achieve a single goal?

1822

[lucretius]

17 minutes ago, RickyV said:

This might go for hifi but not for high-end audio.

 

You lost me.  🙁

[fas42]

31 minutes ago, lucretius said:

 

I don't know about that.  "Well-sorted" just means the components are "suitably matched"; it doesn't imply their was careful selection. The components could be suitably matched despite being put together in a hasty way. ☺️

 

What I learnt over 35 years ago was that there was a massive difference in what one heard if one simply dumped whatever one was using in some convenient spot, hooked it together, and switched it on - as compared to fine tuning every last aspect of how the parts were connected, and organised. And absolutely nothing was ever organised with regard to the room, and still isn't, to this day.

 

"Matching" I would only worry about in the sense that the amplifier can work in a 'comfort zone', internally, when driving whatever speakers to higher SPLs - the gruntiest amplifier, with highly efficient speakers, is the easy choice here.

[RickyV]

49 minutes ago, lucretius said:

 

I don't know about that.  "Well-sorted" just means the components are "suitably matched"; it doesn't imply their was careful selection. The components could be suitably matched despite being put together in a hasty way. ☺️

“Suitably matched” is not good enough, they should be perfectly matched.

The components should be carefully selected, 

“hasty way” no it take a lot of time. (Included acoustic treatment 😁)

So what you wrote may work for hifi but not for high-end.

 

ps OMG post 666 I hope I’ll live to see tomorrow 😈.

[Ralf11]

“perfectly matched” is not good enough, they should be bit-perfectly matched.

[sandyk]

47 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

“perfectly matched” is not good enough, they should be bit-perfectly matched.

 

 Just like both of your ears are, and the left and right hemispheres of your brain are, and both of Frank's tiny lap top speakers are ?

You both must have well sorted rigs

[RickyV]

5 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

“perfectly matched” is not good enough, they should be bit-perfectly matched.

 

Indeed even amps and speakers. 😃

[sphinxsix]

6 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

“perfectly matched” is not good enough, they should be bit-perfectly matched.

 

Both single and multibit rigs should be bit perfectly matched (aka a bit well sorted)!

Seems we may be getting close to the conclusion of this thread.. 

(but @Ralf11, don't turn off your filters yet!)

[esldude]

A well sorted rig, means that when music starts playing you'll believe you are at the recording alive when the recording was made. 

 

Another definition might be when your rig contributes less total alteration in the signal it is fed than in the original signal itself.  Using this definition, at least 99 % of the time speakers will prevent this from being possible.  On the flip side, the contributions of mixing and mastering will be such that any kind of speaker or rig that can buzz a tune out is good enough to be well sorted 99% of the time.   

 

Rig, system, stereo, playback solution, music machine, audiophile temple, .....basically all are synonymous. 

[sphinxsix]

5 hours ago, esldude said:

A well sorted rig, means that when music starts playing you'll believe you are at the recording alive when the recording was made. 

 

If you believe you are at the recording dead, this means your rig is ill-sorted, it's in essence that simple, Ralf. 

[marce]

On 2/2/2020 at 10:46 PM, RickyV said:

 

So what you wrote may work for hifi but not for high-end.

 

 

Hi-Fi means hi fidelity, does this mean high-end is not hi fidelity!

[mansr]

3 minutes ago, marce said:

Hi-Fi means hi fidelity, does this mean high-end is not hi fidelity!

That is indeed often the case.

[RickyV]

1 hour ago, marce said:

Hi-Fi means hi fidelity, does this mean high-end is not hi fidelity!

 

fidelity

noun [ U ]

 

US 

 

 /fəˈdel·ɪ·t̬i/

 

fidelity noun  (BEING LOYAL)

 

the state of remaining loyal to someone and keeping the promises you made to that person

 

fidelity noun  (ACCURACY)

 

the degree to which a copy of something shows the truecharacter of the original: 

The fidelity of the tape recordingwas so poor that you could not understand much of what was said.