Ralf11 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 This is a commonly used term in audiophilia, but what is it? What makes a rig "well sorted" ?? Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted January 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: What makes a rig "well sorted" ?? Frank. daverich4, Jeff_N, lucretius and 6 others 9 Link to comment
Popular Post sphinxsix Posted January 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: What makes a rig "well sorted" ?? Good sorting. The Computer Audiophile and Teresa 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Blake Posted January 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2020 Everything is free of dust, cables properly "dressed" for the given room temperature and tungsten arc welded to the component to which they are attached. Each component chassis facing straight-forward to the listening position and not placed in a crooked manner. esldude and marce 2 Speaker Room: Lumin U1X | Lampizator Pacific 2 | Viva Linea | Constellation Inspiration Stereo 1.0 | FinkTeam Kim | Revel subs Office Headphone System: Lumin U1X | Lampizator Golden Gate 3 | Viva Egoista | Abyss AB1266 Phi TC Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 What Sort order do you need to use? I heard that EBCDIC users have to eat flaming death, so I'd prefer to use some other sequence. Link to comment
mansr Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Ralf11 said: What makes a rig "well sorted" ?? https://www.nordost.com/sort-systems/sort-kone.php Ralf11 1 Link to comment
Popular Post cjf Posted January 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2020 Perhaps it means a rig that has had all veils removed, all listening room walls expanded in width and depth via tuning and tweaks and last but not least, enough booze and bud available at all times to make this all so whether its true or not. 🤓 Ralf11 and The Computer Audiophile 1 1 My Audio System -Last Updated May 20 2021 Link to comment
fas42 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Having a good sort around ... Link to comment
fas42 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Ummm, to me, it means that the setup has been listened to carefully, the audible weaknesses noted, and sensible 'remedies' applied - which could range from merely organising how the power cords are plugged in, through to diving inside every box, and doing major rejigging of the internals, and how each box is connected to the next ... doing what it takes to make the most of the intrinsic potential of the circuit, and parts. A simple, non-audio example - a well sorted TV is one where all the accessible settings are spot on, or close enough to such, that one always gets a satisfying picture 😁 - you're not wasting any of the potential of the set, by ignoring procedures that can minimise inaccurate presentation. Link to comment
Popular Post Ryan Berry Posted January 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2020 All components are installed in alphabetic order. Teresa, The Computer Audiophile, Ajax and 2 others 1 4 President Ayre Acoustics, Inc. Link to comment
stuck limo Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 A well sorted rig means all the components are carefully matched and work well together (synergy). There are no weaknesses to the system. Thought and care have been placed into the components and the system was designed to sound a specific way. Link to comment
mansr Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, stuck limo said: A well sorted rig means all the components are carefully matched and work well together (synergy). And what better way to match the components than by not delivering them in the first place. The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 40 minutes ago, stuck limo said: A well sorted rig means all the components are carefully matched and work well together (synergy). There are no weaknesses to the system. Thought and care have been placed into the components and the system was designed to sound a specific way.. ..or in a way which in opinion of the owner can be simply called 'neutral', I think you will agree. This is IMO a very good subjectivist response. For an objectivist the answer is (as usual) : a well sorted system is a system in which every component not only measures well but also is (objectively, measurably) a good match for other components. The important thing in this case is not to pay too much attention to the cables Or to what it sounds like for that matter I believe after all these posts the OP has all the data necessary to sort it all out in his head.. stuck limo 1 Link to comment
Popular Post RickyV Posted January 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2020 @Ralf11’s head a “well sorted rig”. All components impedance matched. All high level cabling with cable risers. Usb and Ethernet signals decrapefied. All components on vibration control. AC mains regenerated and well grounded. And off cause in a well acoustically treated room. marce, RickyV and Speedskater 3 Meitner ma1 v2 dac, Sovereign preamp and power amp, DIY speakers, scan speak illuminator. Raal Requisite VM-1a -> SR-1a with Accurate Sound convolution. Under development: NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus, Qobuz. Modded Buffalo-fiber-EtherRegen, DC3- Isoregen, Lush^2 Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted January 31, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2020 all BS filters set to maximum Phazer blast Ajax, RickyV and sphinxsix 3 Link to comment
fas42 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 A well-sorted rig is something like a well-sorted aircraft - get it a tiny bit wrong with the latter - "close enough is good enough" - and you have fields strewn with metal debris. And other stuff. ... It could even lead to an aircraft manufacturer struggling a bit ... People ears, and brains, are far more 'forgiving' ...something in the general area of doing things reasonably well keeps most people happy ... so long as it looks good. And if it doesn't "sound right" then you can just blame other forces ... like the people who made the recording, 🙂 marce 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Teresa Posted February 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 1/28/2020 at 3:44 PM, Ralf11 said: This is a commonly used term in audiophilia, but what is it? What makes a rig "well sorted" ?? Before @fas42 I had never heard or read anyone, anywhere ever refer to an audio system as a rig. I also have never heard the expression well-sorted audio system, well-sorted music system or well-sorted computer system. I believe these are unique to @fas42. sphinxsix, Jeff_N and mansr 2 1 I have dementia. I save all my posts in a text file I call Forums. I do a search in that file to find out what I said or did in the past. I still love music. Teresa Link to comment
Popular Post lucretius Posted February 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 1, 2020 41 minutes ago, Teresa said: Before @fas42 I had never heard or read anyone, anywhere ever refer to an audio system as a rig. I also have never heard the expression well-sorted audio system, well-sorted music system or well-sorted computer system. I believe these are unique to @fas42. A quick google search uncovered these audio sites (not an exhaustive list) using the term "well-sorted" (or "well sorted"): https://www.tonepublications.com/old-school/ten-best-buys-in-vintage-audio/ https://www.audioexcellence.ca/blog/2018/5/18/a-mcintosh-for-everyone-the-rs100 https://www.718forum.com/threads/718-with-bose-audio.890/ In the context of audio equipment, "well-sorted" means "suitably matched" (system components), the opposite of ill-sorted. As for "rig", amateur radio operators often refer to their equipment setup as a "rig". One dictionary defines "rig" as: an apparatus, device, or piece of equipment designed for a particular purpose. Nonetheless, I am still puzzled as to what a "well-sorted computer system" is. Teresa, sphinxsix and 4est 2 1 mQa is dead! Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 yes, it is commonly used in the audiophool press, hence this thread Teresa 1 Link to comment
fas42 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I only started using the term "rig" because I was seeing it being used in other audio forums, very regularly ...in the sense of it having some meaning, I would use "rig" as being the combination of various components, merely connected together with only a basic consideration of how there may be negative consequences, from, say, one component interfering with another. A "system", by contrast, is where all those sorts of factors are given full or much better consideration - in this sense, active speakers like the Dutch & Dutch units have every right to be called, a system. A "well sorted computer system" is easy to recognise, because ones that are not rouse high levels of fury in the users 😀 - take an older version of Windows, try and do multiple things, at once ... and feel the levels of agitation rise ... 😉. Teresa 1 Link to comment
lucretius Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 12 hours ago, fas42 said: I only started using the term "rig" because I was seeing it being used in other audio forums, very regularly ...in the sense of it having some meaning, I would use "rig" as being the combination of various components, merely connected together with only a basic consideration of how there may be negative consequences, from, say, one component interfering with another. A "system", by contrast, is where all those sorts of factors are given full or much better consideration - in this sense, active speakers like the Dutch & Dutch units have every right to be called, a system. A "well sorted computer system" is easy to recognise, because ones that are not rouse high levels of fury in the users 😀 - take an older version of Windows, try and do multiple things, at once ... and feel the levels of agitation rise ... 😉. Re the definition of "system", this dictionary, https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/system?q=system, states it best: A group of things, pieces of equipment, etc. that are connected or work together. Another definition from https://www.lexico.com/definition/system: A set of things working together as parts of a mechanism or an interconnecting network; a complex whole. Another definition from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/system: A group of devices or artificial objects or an organization forming a network especially for distributing something or serving a common purpose. It is clear that a bunch of audio components assembled together to playback music, etc. forms a "system". The definition does not include (or exclude) "all those sorts of factors are given full or much better consideration". The latter is Frank's personal definition. mQa is dead! Link to comment
Popular Post 4est Posted February 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2020 44 minutes ago, lucretius said: Re the definition of "system", this dictionary, https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/system?q=system, states it best: A group of things, pieces of equipment, etc. that are connected or work together. Another definition from https://www.lexico.com/definition/system: A set of things working together as parts of a mechanism or an interconnecting network; a complex whole. Another definition from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/system: A group of devices or artificial objects or an organization forming a network especially for distributing something or serving a common purpose. It is clear that a bunch of audio components assembled together to playback music, etc. forms a "system". The definition does not include (or exclude) "all those sorts of factors are given full or much better consideration". The latter is Frank's personal definition. +1 Rig, system, kit, stereo, project- same same, and "well sorted" ought to be pretty self explanatory to your average tweaker. IMO, if one cannot wrap their mind around the meanings of well sorted, discussing it with them is hopeless. gstew, lucretius and sandyk 3 Forrest: Win10 i9 9900KS/GTX1060 HQPlayer4>Win10 NAA DSD>Pavel's DSC2.6>Bent Audio TAP> Parasound JC1>"Naked" Quad ESL63/Tannoy PS350B subs<100Hz Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Poor Ralf... (you may have to add some filters) lucretius 1 Link to comment
RickyV Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 sorry, could not resist. Meitner ma1 v2 dac, Sovereign preamp and power amp, DIY speakers, scan speak illuminator. Raal Requisite VM-1a -> SR-1a with Accurate Sound convolution. Under development: NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus, Qobuz. Modded Buffalo-fiber-EtherRegen, DC3- Isoregen, Lush^2 Link to comment
Popular Post gmgraves Posted February 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2020 On 2/1/2020 at 2:47 AM, Teresa said: Before @fas42 I had never heard or read anyone, anywhere ever refer to an audio system as a rig. I also have never heard the expression well-sorted audio system, well-sorted music system or well-sorted computer system. I believe these are unique to @fas42. Well, a “rig”, other than referring to a tractor/trailer 18-wheeler truck, was first used by amateur radio operators (Hams) to describe their set-ups. So it’s kind of natural for audiophiles to appropriate the term. After all, they are both comprised of a bunch of separate components connected together to achieve a single goal. sphinxsix, sandyk, Teresa and 1 other 3 1 George Link to comment
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