Popular Post plissken Posted February 14, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, thyname said: Yeah! It's you and your band of brothers focusing the assault to him at this point. The Holy War no less. Keep it up! If Hans had a leg to stand on, or ears he believed in, he wouldn't delete but answer the posts. IMO he's attempting to curate a certain image around networked audio and unfortunately this is the sad way he's going about it. Teresa and sandyk 1 1 Link to comment
sandyk Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jud said: Do we have any actual data on whether plissken's cable pulling posts now outnumber Alex's regarding digitally identical files sounding different? What brought this on Jud ? I have had very little to say in this thread, and that was several pages back about the mediocre playback equipment he is using. Alex Ralf11 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
thyname Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Do you know if your accusations are correct (identity-wise)? I have a very strong feeling. Check out the ASR EtherREGEN forum Link to comment
Jud Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, sandyk said: What brought this on Jud ? I have had very little to say in this thread, and that was several pages back about the mediocre playback equipment he is using. Alex I thought it might highlight for plissken, in a somewhat humorous way, that he had about as much chance of convincing anyone who wasn't already convinced at this point as the odds he would suddenly agree with you. And I hoped it would be all right with you, my friend. No disrespect whatever intended. If I have offended, I apologize. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
sandyk Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, plissken said: What's mediocre? You have any data? I've proven my point with a video demonstration. You still haven't explained why you even brought me back into this discussion when I haven't posted anything in the area you mentioned . You don't even appear to know who you were replying to , or you would have corrected that. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
plissken Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 My YT alter ego is Matt Noble. Can't speak for anyone else mild mannered identity 🙂 I'm not the only one claiming Shenanigans going on. Hans is pruning 100% factual posts that will make him squirm. Teresa 1 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Moderator rights have been granted, by request, to the OP. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
plissken Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, sandyk said: You still haven't explained why you even brought me back into this discussion when I haven't posted anything in the area you mentioned . You don't even appear to know who you were replying to , or you would have corrected that. This one: Link to comment
plissken Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 So Sandy. Do you, or do you not understand Clock Domain boundaries and how they negate input Jitter? Ralf11 1 Link to comment
Jud Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, plissken said: So Sandy. Do you, or do you not understand Clock Domain boundaries and how they negate input Jitter? Not Sandy, but are you just talking about the way an async USB input (for example) works, or something else? One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
sandyk Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, plissken said: This one: No it wasn't !!! You should have been replying to why you directed this reply to me. Quote Report post #184 Posted 8 hours ago @sandyk I don't think you understand what and how Clock Domain Boundaries work. Like at all. It's no wonder you have requested Moderator privileges to clear your thread up. Now you are trying to extricate yourself from the mess of your own doing by asking me a question that I have no interest in replying to you about, as I don't wish to be further involved in helping to keep this thread of yours alive Ralf11 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post plissken Posted February 14, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, Jud said: Not Sandy, but are you just talking about the way an async USB input (for example) works, or something else? No. Earlier I posted a picture of my 10GBe SFP+ NIC. It has a quarter Gigabyte of RAM on it. I pointed out that this is going to buffer input so any jitter on the inbound would cease. SandyK hit the Disagree. Therefore my assertion that he doesn't understand fully what FIFO butters do and why they matter for system clock boundaries. mansr, sandyk and Ralf11 1 1 1 Link to comment
plissken Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, sandyk said: No it wasn't !!! You should have been replying to why you directed this reply to me. It's no wonder you have requested Moderator privileges to clear your thread up. Sandy there are two issues going on. Both involving integrity, or lack there of. As I just explained to Jud in this post. It's something you proclaim to have area expertise in but yet fail to answer my simple question and instead you are now simply calling my setup that I used as 'mediocre'. Now you aren't under any obligation to answer any question from any one. But the desperate ad-hom attacks should stop. Either meet me with excellent technical responses or don't. But your 'it's pos' attacks are about to stop. Teresa 1 Link to comment
Popular Post pkane2001 Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 39 minutes ago, Jud said: Do we have any actual data on whether plissken's cable pulling posts now outnumber Alex's regarding digitally identical files sounding different? Do we count the PMs? The Computer Audiophile and mansr 2 -Paul DeltaWave, DISTORT, Earful, PKHarmonic, new: Multitone Analyzer Link to comment
Jud Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, plissken said: No. Earlier I posted a picture of my 10GBe SFP+ NIC. It has a quarter Gigabyte of RAM on it. I pointed out that this is going to buffer input so any jitter on the inbound would cease. So a buffer eliminates any jitter in the DAC whatever, no more worries? One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, plissken said: Sandy there are two issues going on. Both involving integrity, or lack there of. As I just explained to Jud in this post. It's something you proclaim to have area expertise in but yet fail to answer my simple question and instead you are now simply calling my setup that I used as 'mediocrity'. Now you aren't under any obligation to answer any question from any one. But the desperate ad-hom attacks should stop. Either meet me with excellent technical responses or don't. But your 'it's pos' attacks are about to stop. You brought me back into this thread of yours that I had ceased participating in, now you can clean up your own mess. I won't be taking any notice of your demands either. We all know what this thread is about, although some may refuse to admit it. Ralf11 and thyname 1 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jud said: So a buffer eliminates any jitter in the DAC whatever, no more worries? Doesn't a buffer just mean jitter in - jitter out, but delayed? Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
plissken Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Jud said: So a buffer eliminates any jitter in the DAC whatever, no more worries? The buffer on an Ethernet NIC eliminates the input jitter from the Ethernet switch segment that it is on. Not sure why USB DAC's keep getting dragged into this. We are talking about Ethernet. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, plissken said: The buffer on an Ethernet NIC eliminates the input jitter from the Ethernet switch segment that it is on. Not sure why USB DAC's keep getting dragged into this. We are talking about Ethernet. Because a DAC is where we are interested in jitter. Foggie and sandyk 2 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post plissken Posted February 14, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Doesn't a buffer just mean jitter in - jitter out, but delayed? Not at all Chris. What these I/O buffers do is solve a design problem: What to do when you have two different clock domains. Ethernet runs at one speed, PCI-E at another. You can't sync these up in real time in any reasonably manageable way. So along comes a bit of buffer that allows inputs and outputs to run at their own rate with some form of management software or firmware that controls the buffer so it doesn't over/under fill. They eliminate jitter. Teresa, sandyk, Ralf11 and 2 others 2 2 1 Link to comment
plissken Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, Jud said: Because a DAC is where we are interested in jitter. And rightfully so. But the DAC isn't dealing with Jitter from the Ethernet side. That was dealt with. Note the Rx/Tx buffers. Link to comment
Jud Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, plissken said: Not at all Chris. What these I/O buffers do is solve a design problem: What to do when you two different clock domains. Ethernet runs at one speed, PCI-E at another. You can't sync these up in real time in any reasonably manageable way. So along comes a bit of buffer that allows inputs and outputs to run at their own rate with some form of management software or firmware that controls the buffer so it doesn't over/under fill. They eliminate jitter. You're describing async interfaces with I/O buffers, yes? One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
plissken Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jud said: You're describing async interfaces with I/O buffers, yes? Can we agree on this: Jitter is a variance in what would be the otherwise optimal timing of a signal? Can we also agree that there is always going to be some jitter on all signals if we get a powerful enough measurement device on it? Link to comment
Popular Post plissken Posted February 14, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 Again, without reverting to ad-hom attacks about my setup, where am I incorrect? Please, a cogent, well thought out, fact based, response. mansr and Ralf11 1 1 Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 not incorrect re jitter or buffers, etc. if by incorrect you mean is there a way to expand the scope of your study, I'd try a really cheap DAC and a really expensive one (if available), for the reasons I posted above (pre-Sandmaning) Link to comment
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