Building a DIY Music Server

[Nenon]

1 hour ago, Marcin_gps said:

I do not see anything inaproprate to inform users about the features of a new product such as OPTIMO ATX in this thread.

Informing people about products that are useful for DIY is very welcomed here Marcin.

 

But you did much more than that and also challenged my integrity, twice. If you really want to know which parts were inappropriate, let me know and I will point them out. Otherwise, let's just move on. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Marcin_gps said:

I will start my own topic where everyone is welcomed to discuss any products. 

 

Here is the thread Marcin started:

55 minutes ago, Marcin_gps said:

Hello Guys,

 

I am starting a new thread where I will post my own experiences how to build and optimize a music server. Everyone is free to join and ask questions. I will try to reply all of them if time permits. 

 

I will be posting a recipe for the upcoming JCAT music server. The details of the JCAT music server will be open to anyone and the parts available from JCAT: power supply,  enclosure, USB & NET cards 

 

It is a 2 box music server as keeping the music server part and a truly linear ATX power supply is simply impossible at this power rating. The power supply alone is over 20kg and a size of a hefty integrated amplifier. 

 

Below is a sneak peak (the upper enclosure is a music server part, the bottom part is the ATX PSU enclosure). We are finalizing CE documentation at the moment and 1st production run is scheduled within a month.

 

I will be updating the topic on a regular basis.  

 

Best regards,
Marcin Ostapowicz

JPLAY & JCAT Founder

 

 

 

 

 

It will be a an interesting thread. Marcin has been doing those things way before me and I've learned from him in the past. In fact, he gets full credit for the Apacer RAM. And I am sure he has other tricks we can learn from him. 

He and I may not agree on power supplies but we don't have to.

[ASRMichael]

7 minutes ago, Exocer said:

Getting back on track:

 

I have decided to give this setup a few days to settle in before providing detailed thoughts.

 

What I will say is this certainly does sound different than 19v + 12v (to EPS) and I do not know how much of that difference comes from the use of the Ghent cable. This is an apples to oranges comparison so take from it what you will :). Is it a good or bad difference? I do not think it is fair to say just yet.

 

One thing is for sure, the 19v 10A SR7T can peacefully provide stable power to a full ATX motherboard, CPU, Optane drive, NIC, USB card without a hitch.

 

Will share more details in the coming days.

 

Cheers,

-Rob 

Cheers Rob. Keep posts coming. 
 

One other synergy out with the Taiko ATX is having such short cables from ATX to EPS & Mobo. This will help my OCD for sure. 

[Marcin_gps]

27 minutes ago, dminches said:

 

The difference is that Taiko Audio was not posting here.  DIYers are.  In addition, you called out one of your competitors by saying what they are saying on their website is false, which is not appropriate especially since you don’t really know.

 

Taiko joined this topic the same day I did. @JayM posted specification of their DC-ATX board on this very page. 

[Marcin_gps]

6 minutes ago, Nenon said:

Informing people about products that are useful for DIY is very welcomed here Marcin.

 

But you did much more than that and also challenged my integrity, twice. If you really want to know which parts were inappropriate, let me know and I will point them out. Otherwise, let's just move on. 

 

 

 

Here is the thread Marcin started:

 

It will be a an interesting thread. Marcin has been doing those things way before me and I've learned from him in the past. In fact, he gets full credit for the Apacer RAM. And I am sure he has other tricks we can learn from him. 

He and I may not agree on power supplies but we don't have to.

I agree, let's move on. 

 

Best regards,
Marcin 

[ASRMichael]

On 4/13/2021 at 8:20 PM, ASRMichael said:

Thanks can you just clarify; So the case is compatible with other motherboards & CPU’s but the Taiko cpu heatsink & heat pipes are not? 

 

Yes, CPU heatsinks and heat pipes will be included but only for the LGA3647 square.

@JayM

 

Hi can you please clarify? 

[Marcin_gps]

34 minutes ago, matthias said:

 

I want to confirm that I myself removed this post and NOT Taiko Audio.

Taiko Audio was in no way involved in my decision to remove it.

@Marcin_gps please stop to spread false assumptions.

 

Matt

 

 

 

@matthias you  can NOT remove your own posts on WBF forum. Only administrator or moderator can.  Being a registered user on WBF, you should know this. 

 

Also I did not write that Taiko Audio removed the post. I wrote that the post was removed. There is a significant diffrence. Please read my post again. 

[matthias]

7 minutes ago, Marcin_gps said:

@matthias you  can NOT remove your own posts on WBF forum. Only administrator or moderator can.  Being a registered user on WBF, you should know this. 

 

Surely every WBF member can delete his own posts.

Please do not talk BS. 

Thanks

 

Matt

[ASRMichael]

Please can we stay on topic “Building a DIY music server”

 

I don’t really care about spec’s what Taiko uses and does not. I’m more interested in hearing from diyers that have found increase in SQ, like Exocer’s posts, and menu others for that matter. 
 

Lets not squabble, that’s for forums like ASR! 

[Topk]

2 hours ago, Nenon said:

 

Yes, I tested many transformers and picked the one I liked the best. Emile placed a large order of them (there was a significant minimum order he had to do), and they are due soon. 

Are you guys using Toroidy (in case you are willing to share)? Just curious.

[Exocer]

Guys,

Have we started looking at Gen3 Xeon Scalable CPUs? What we have below looks like a newer alternative to the highly hailed Xeon Silver 4210 CPU:

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/215283/intel-xeon-silver-4310t-processor-15m-cache-2-30-ghz/specifications.html

 

Here is a comparison between the 4310T and 4210.

The 4310T is a 10nm design running at a slightly higher base/turbo clock speed.

 

The interesting part that we may all benefit from is a larger cache! 13.75 to 15mb.

 

The downside? TDP appears to jump to 105W but with none of us planning to upsample with these Xeon Builds we should be fine.

 

Another downside: A new socket :(

 

Back to the ol' motherboard hunt. Also, I am assuming that this CPU will sound just as good as or better than the 4210. It is never good to assume. Perhaps there are other good discoveries to encounter.

 

I suspect Asus motherboards similar to the C621 sage will be a good place to start once they become available.

 

[Marcin_gps]

8 minutes ago, matthias said:

 

Surely every WBF member can delete his own posts.

Please do not talk BS. 

Thanks

 

Matt

I do not see the option to remove my own posts even in my own thread on WBF, so please stop insulting me

[ASRMichael]

14 minutes ago, matthias said:

 

Surely every WBF member can delete his own posts.

Please do not talk BS. 

Thanks

 

Matt

Matthias please enough. No need to say BS. Move on. 

[matthias]

6 minutes ago, Marcin_gps said:

I do not see the option to remove my own posts even in my own thread on WBF, so please stop insulting me

 

Please, let us stop now.

You can delete your own post within a certain time frame.

Please talk to the moderators at WBF.

 

All the best 

 

Matt

[dminches]

33 minutes ago, Marcin_gps said:

@matthias you  can NOT remove your own posts on WBF forum. Only administrator or moderator can.  Being a registered user on WBF, you should know this. 

 

Also I did not write that Taiko Audio removed the post. I wrote that the post was removed. There is a significant diffrence. Please read my post again. 

 

Actually, you did.

 

You wrote "Regarding the power supply used in Taiko SGM Extreme and the lack of Taiko response, plus the fact that Taiko removed @matthias question in the official Taiko Extreme thread is enough for me to draw conclusions. "

 

"..Taiko removed..."

[matthias]

26 minutes ago, Topk said:

Are you guys using Toroidy (in case you are willing to share)? Just curious.

 

Another manufacturer with excellent reputation is Canterbury Windings:

 

http://www.canterburywindings.co.uk

 

Matt

[Marcin_gps]

2 minutes ago, dminches said:

 

Actually, you did.

 

You wrote "Regarding the power supply used in Taiko SGM Extreme and the lack of Taiko response, plus the fact that Taiko removed @matthias question in the official Taiko Extreme thread is enough for me to draw conclusions. "

 

"..Taiko removed..."

OK, in this post I wrote it, mea culpa. 

 

EOT

[Mops911]

OMG, what a bunch of drama queens here (and yep, author of this line includes himself)

 

;-)

[MarcelNL]

for me living in the EU  .co.uk is a no go until the import/export mess is sorted ;-)

[di-fi]

20 minutes ago, dminches said:

 

Actually, you did.

 

You wrote "Regarding the power supply used in Taiko SGM Extreme and the lack of Taiko response, plus the fact that Taiko removed @matthias question in the official Taiko Extreme thread is enough for me to draw conclusions. "

 

"..Taiko removed..."

Building a DIY Music Server 

If we only could avoid and remove some personal comments here, we all could benefit from a reset.

 

please pm

[Mops911]

1 minute ago, MarcelNL said:

import/export mess is sorted

mess deliberately created by the EU ;-)

[ASRMichael]

10 minutes ago, Mops911 said:

mess deliberately created by the EU ;-)

We’ll we’ve left! So I’m fine! 

[Topk]

OK, talking about DYI, this is next level OCD: have we ever talked about mechanical stress? I thought this video below is interesting, how the circuit board should resonate and how to prevent stress on the board (and a must see if you have a Denafrips DAC).

 

 

 

This is the (very surprisingly) audible result of this mechanical tuning. Hear for yourself.

 

 

This is also a finding from Naim audio - their circuit board are mounted on springs so that they can resonate since Naim found it sounds best, and connectors are mounted loose on purpose - there’s a good YouTube video on this - around 10 min:

 

 

So when you put together your audio PC, maybe don’t screw too tight? Use proper dampening, isolation feet etc.

[Nenon]

2 hours ago, Topk said:

Are you guys using Toroidy (in case you are willing to share)? Just curious.

 

No, we did not use Toroidy. It's a Noratel transformer from a factory in Sri Lanka. Noratel has a lot of factories, but that particular factory is pretty good. I don't know why but in this application it sounded a little better than the Toroidy. Toroidy Supreme was my second choice. They were very close to a tie. For other applications I would have picked Toroidy but here the Noratel was slightly better. 

[JayM]

10 hours ago, ASRMichael said:

On 4/13/2021 at 9:20 PM, ASRMichael said:

Thanks can you just clarify; So the case is compatible with other motherboards & CPU’s but the Taiko cpu heatsink & heat pipes are not? 

 

Yes, CPU heatsinks and heat pipes will be included but only for the LGA3647 square.

@JayM

 

Hi can you please clarify? 

 

Hee ASRMichael, sorry did not see your question.

 

The chassis is compatible with pretty much all standard size motherboards (mini ITX up to SSI EEB).

For now we only have a LGA3647 square heatsink planned, this will fit on any LGA3647 square socket. You cannot use this 'LGA3647 square' heatsink on a 'LGA3647 narrow' socket.

 

The CPU heatsink will have  four recesses for 6mm heat pipes. 

 

Hopefully this answers your remaining questions, if not just let me know! :)

 

[matthias]

7 hours ago, Nenon said:

 

No, we did not use Toroidy. It's a Noratel transformer from a factory in Sri Lanka. Noratel has a lot of factories, but that particular factory is pretty good. I don't know why but in this application it sounded a little better than the Toroidy. Toroidy Supreme was my second choice. They were very close to a tie. For other applications I would have picked Toroidy but here the Noratel was slightly better. 

 

Which wattage does the transformer have?

Thanks

 

Matt