Popular Post seeteeyou Posted February 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Gavin1977 said: That is a very high quality power brick - but it's ripple and noise are still way higher than a Paul Hynes or Shaun Jacobs. If the Taiko DC-DC ATX is as good as described with regards to noise and ripple rejection then it will be interesting how it performs with a SMPS like this. Like Nenon says though, the Taiko DC-DC is so transparent it will sound different depending upon what is used to power it. IMHO that's more like comparing apples to oranges, I just meant to find something that won't breaking the bank while still being able to get a glimpse of TAS as I mentioned earlier on this thread. If we're having that kinda budget, by all means go for the entire DIY package from Taiko Audio since that's supposed to be the "Holy Grail" for now. In the end it's just matter of having an alternative for those us who might be getting hurt by the ongoing global pandemic, recovery could take quite a bit of time. And then there's always something else out there that could bridge the gap by quite a bit, up to 10A in this case https://www.belleson.com/sphpappnote.php https://www.belleson.com/store/SPHP-High-Power https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/battery-power-for-router.25835/#post-540824 Quote The result: µV levels of noise, and ultra low output impedance to my router. I compared to a full linear also with Belleson regulation and there was no difference. Up to 6A https://www.mpaudio.net/product-page/aws-hpuln-ps http://toukiyakoneko.web.fc2.com/High_Current_Ultimate_Low_Noise_Power_Supply-DOZEN_Circuit_Graphics_and_Parts_List.html Up to 5A https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=620730645365 https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=621194139045 https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=630808013093 https://www.mpaudio.net/product-page/als-hpuln-ps https://www.mpaudio.net/product-page/lsib-hpuln-ps Up to 3A https://www.mpaudio.net/product-page/als-hpuln-ps https://www.belleson.com/store/SPX-Max-Performance https://www.ldovr.com/product-p/dxp-3a0dscombo.htm https://www.mpaudio.net/product-page/msw-hpuln-ps-single-rail-3a Of course LT3045 itself couldn't accept anything higher than 20V at all, let's be VERY cautious. And then LT3045 won't be able to provide more than 15V output, while HDPLEX 800W DC-ATX would require at the very least 16V to begin with. LTG2010, Gavin1977 and vhs 2 1 Link to comment
Downtheline Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 13 hours ago, vhs said: Apacer ecc rdimm 4g(d51.23184s.001) Try as I might I can find this on mouser. Do have a link to a supplier? Link to comment
Popular Post seeteeyou Posted March 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2021 https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/30376-a-novel-way-to-massively-improve-the-sq-of-computer-audio-streaming/page/623/?tab=comments#comment-1021453 On 1/16/2020 at 6:01 AM, dminches said: The woman from whom I have been ordering is Grace Wong. [email protected] https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/58164-building-a-diy-music-server/page/25/?tab=comments#comment-1072858 On 8/9/2020 at 7:54 PM, dminches said: Write to Apacer directly. [email protected] vhs, Exocer and Downtheline 3 Link to comment
vhs Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Downtheline said: Try as I might I can find this on mouser. Do have a link to a supplier? Ordered the rams thur a fd who placed a special order to Apacer directly. 14 minutes ago, seeteeyou said: https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/58164-building-a-diy-music-server/page/25/?tab=comments#comment-1072858 On 8/9/2020 at 7:54 PM, dminches said: Write to Apacer directly. [email protected] As seeteeyou referred above, you may contact Apacer US directly. Downtheline 1 dCS Vivaldi Upsampler - Siltech Double Crown PC, Tara Labs Zero Evo AES; dCS Vivaldi DAC - Siltech Double Crown PC - Tara Labs Zero Evo XLR; dCS Vivaldi Clock - Siltech Double Crown PC - Viard Platinum BNC; Mutec Ref10 SE-120 - Shunyata Sigma Digital PC - AR Cox Triple C BNC; Music Server - La Sound Olympia PC; Spectral DMC-30SS MKii - Crystal Ultimate Dream PC; Spectral DMC-400RS - Tiglon 2000A PC - AR RTP6 Abs. - Transparent Reference G5 spk cable; Rockport Atria MKi, Shunyata Triton V2 + Typhon - Sigma HC PC, Thixar SMD Ultimate Rack + CMS Platinum MKiii / Tripoint Troy Signature BLK https://www.hiendy.com/hififorum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=124319&extra=page=1 Link to comment
Gavin1977 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 So options for running two PCI cards without a flexi extender / riser... Maximus XI Gene Z390 seems to be my favored option - but the 1x PCIe slot goes through the Z390 chipset and is not direct to CPU. Anyone got any ideas on how this might affect the performance of JCAT USB XE? I have to attach the solarflare to the full speed PCIe slot. Other options: MPG Z390M GAMING EDGE AC matx - does have direct CPU 8x/8x slots, but likely no 2oz copper. Otherwise it's full size ATX like the Z390 DESIGNARE as previously mentioned. or just use the M2 to PCI cable with my existing ITX as originally planned (1x PCIe will be routed through Z390 again) Difficult to know which would sound best! A mini-DTX motherboard would be great - but zero opportunity there. Link to comment
Popular Post seeteeyou Posted March 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2021 https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/taiko-audio-sgm-extreme-the-crème-de-la-crème.27433/page-323#post-707368 Quote I have created a flowchart to visualize the building blocks which make up TAS in an attempt to increase understanding of what is going on where. The green blocks are all our own code and/or under our control. The red blocks is not our code and/or not under our control. I will now describe each block and it's purpose individually. Starting with our own developed code: 1) "My Taiko Cloud" is a webserver hosted on the internet which enables functionality like discovery of the Extreme on your local network by the Taiko remote control app and it can host future TAS software updates which can be installed from the Taiko remote control app. 2) The "Taiko Remote Control App" provides the interface to remotely control the Extreme 3) The "Communication Protocol" is a secure protocol we designed to allow the remote control App and the Taiko Cloud to interface with the Extreme and to control all internal processes without any negative effects on Sound Quality. We had to design a new protocol from scratch as all the existing ones, like telnet and ssh for example, turned out to have quite an influence on Sound Quality. This protocol is partially responsible for negating negative influences from your network environment. 4) The "File Treatment Protocol" negates differences in where your files are sourced from and how they were created. It very significantly improves Sound Quality as a cherry on top, even of files on local storage. This part of TAS is responsible for the delays before a track or a batch of tracks start. 5) The "Serial Play Bridge" makes the "File Treatment Protocol" pre process one file at a time and then feeds that file to the "Extreme Direct Player". 6) The "Batch Play Bridge" makes the "File Treatment Protocol" pre process up to 25 files at a time and then feeds those to the "Extreme Direct Player", this causes a larger initial delay then the "Serial Play Bridge" but it will be able to play an Album gapless, the gapless feature is a phased development as we are working to make this to sound as close as possible to the "Serial Play Bridge". 7) The "HQPlayer bridge" is similar to the "Batch Play Bridge" but it places files into the HQPlayer playlist Queue in stead of feeding them to the "Extreme Direct Player". 8) The "Extreme Direct Player" is the file playback engine, aka "The Player" which plays files and outputs to the selected ASIO driver. 9) The "Taiko ASIO driver" is the driver which drives the output, typically USB but it can also drive AES/EBU or ASIO network protocols. Quote from wikipedia.org: Audio Stream Input/Output (ASIO) is a computer sound card driver protocol for digital audio specified by Steinberg, providing a low-latency and high fidelity interface between a software application and a computer's sound card. 10) The "USB firmware" controls the USB controller which we have under our control with our USB card scheduled to arrive here tomorrow, shipping to customers in a few weeks. External code used, not under our control: 1) HQPlayer software, its main function is Realtime up-sampling. 2) Vendor supplied ASIO drivers, we have developed some means to control it / enhance its behaviour, but that control is limited to supported functionality. 3) Logitech Media Server and its Tidal and Qobuz plug-ins. This indexes and serves your music, provides metadata and is what you are currently using to browse and select the music you want to play. It therefor currently defines the look and feel of TAS. We are going to replace this with our own server application, but this will be relative large project and this will take time, not as much as it took us to develop and code the 10 parts listed above, but a considerable project nonetheless which now has to timeshare its development with support for over 100 BETA users. As you can understand we are willing to change some bits and pieces of code of Logitech Media Server to remediate the most urgent quibbles, but we are not putting significant resources into this particular part of TAS as we are going to replace it entirely a few months down the line. We are fully aware of its limitations, especially when compared to Roon, hence TAS will remain BETA code until we finish coding our own server application. I hope this provides more insight into the TAS project and environment, and to where we are heading. IMHO it's unlikely to find something else that could have the potential to beat THAT kinda USB chain, maybe the only exception would be Wadax Akasa Reference Optical System Connection? https://www.audioexotics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Wadax-Atlantis-Reference-Dac-Review.pdf#page=7 Quote As good as the Atlantis Server is, Wadax is preparing to ship the Reference Server, which will have the same form factor and size as the Reference DAC’s main unit, with a price likely to be commensurate with that of the Reference DAC. It will use a proprietary optical interface, realized with an optical module inserted into the Reference DAC. Wadax plans to send me one—I’ll have a follow-up report in a future issue. https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/taiko-audio-sgm-extreme-the-crème-de-la-crème.27433/page-284#post-699544 Quote Gavin1977, Exocer and lwr 1 2 Link to comment
Popular Post Exocer Posted March 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2021 12 hours ago, Gavin1977 said: So options for running two PCI cards without a flexi extender / riser... Maximus XI Gene Z390 seems to be my favored option - but the 1x PCIe slot goes through the Z390 chipset and is not direct to CPU. Anyone got any ideas on how this might affect the performance of JCAT USB XE? I have to attach the solarflare to the full speed PCIe slot. Other options: MPG Z390M GAMING EDGE AC matx - does have direct CPU 8x/8x slots, but likely no 2oz copper. Otherwise it's full size ATX like the Z390 DESIGNARE as previously mentioned. or just use the M2 to PCI cable with my existing ITX as originally planned (1x PCIe will be routed through Z390 again) Difficult to know which would sound best! A mini-DTX motherboard would be great - but zero opportunity there. Hi Gavin, The Asus WS Z390 Pro seems to fit the bill although it isn't cheap. Probably one heck of a Motherboard. The block diagram suggests all devices in the larger PCI-E 16X slots go CPU direct per the block diagram here: https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket1151/WS_Z390_PRO/Manual/E14958_WS_Z390_PRO_UM_V2_WEB.pdf There is the QSW though. I am not sure what the SQ impact would be with the QSW in the chain. You can avoid whatever the QSW introduces by using only the 1 and 3 PCI-E 16X sized slots: Here is the Asus Sage C621 in comparison, no QSW on CPU 2 but there is one on CPU 1: Not sure if the general consensus is to avoid it. Cheers LTG2010 and Gavin1977 2 Link to comment
Gavin1977 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Exocer said: Hi Gavin, The Asus WS Z390 Pro seems to fit the bill although it isn't cheap. Probably one heck of a Motherboard. The block diagram suggests all devices in the larger PCI-E 16X slots go CPU direct per the block diagram here: https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket1151/WS_Z390_PRO/Manual/E14958_WS_Z390_PRO_UM_V2_WEB.pdf There is the QSW though. I am not sure what the SQ impact would be with the QSW in the chain. You can avoid whatever the QSW introduces by using only the 1 and 3 PCI-E 16X sized slots: Here is the Asus Sage C621 in comparison, no QSW on CPU 2 but there is one on CPU 1: Not sure if the general consensus is to avoid it. Cheers Good find. I wasn't aware of QSW. Apparently it adds latency so you can see the benefit to the C621 MB approach. I have decided to go for the Maximus XI Gene Z390, it has an additional phase on the CPU VRM compared to my existing ASROCK Phantom ITX. As per the ASROCK it also doesn't use doublers, which could be a good thing in my experience (C621 also doesn't use doublers it's a true 7 phase design). It also has a single phase of VRM on VCCSA and VCCIO. These features put it, in theory, ahead of the other choices. The other feature which is quite unique is that the motherboard sacrifices two channels of RAM to allow the use of the DIMM.2 M.2 slot which supports PCIe 3.0 x4 directly from the CPU. In theory (again!) this could also allow M2 to PCIe flex to be used and compared against the onboard PCIe x1 that goes through the Z390 chipset. My optane M2 drive can only be routed through the Z390 chipset, so cannot be installed in the DIMM.2 M.2 slot. So, Maximus XI gene can allow everything other than my Optane drive to be directly attached to CPU and also leaves a bit more space in my HDPlex enclosure for things like wall mounted regulators in the future. Exocer 1 Link to comment
Gavin1977 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 p.s. anyone looking for an LGA1200 motherboard... MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI seems like a good choice and mATX format. Link to comment
genvirt Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Hi! Just curious if using this adapter with M.2 ssd - will perform good or better to avoid it? I think this anyway better than external or sata option, but I want get a best performance and SQ as possible, so if here is some suggestions - many thanks!:) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07WQ447MN/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=AN43ZP96D1535&psc=1 Intel Optane PCI ssd is abnormally expansive for now:) gerardiw 1 Link to comment
John769 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 7 hours ago, Gavin1977 said: p.s. anyone looking for an LGA1200 motherboard... MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI seems like a good choice and mATX format. Isn't it ATX? Can't find a block diagram unfortunately. Link to comment
Gavin1977 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 hour ago, John769 said: Isn't it ATX? Can't find a block diagram unfortunately. You can get it in both ATX and mATX. I asked MSI directly and it can do 8x/8x direct to CPU - it’s relatively affordable as well. John769 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Gavin1977 Posted March 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2021 7 hours ago, genvirt said: Hi! Just curious if using this adapter with M.2 ssd - will perform good or better to avoid it? I think this anyway better than external or sata option, but I want get a best performance and SQ as possible, so if here is some suggestions - many thanks!:) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07WQ447MN/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=AN43ZP96D1535&psc=1 Intel Optane PCI ssd is abnormally expansive for now:) As you may have gathered - best answer is usually connecting direct to CPU for lower latency. This PCI to M2 adaptor may allow you to do that, but equally M2 port in your motherboard may also allow direct to CPU connection as well removing the need for the adapter. You’ll need to look in your MB specs to see what is best. Exocer and genvirt 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post genvirt Posted March 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, Gavin1977 said: As you may have gathered - best answer is usually connecting direct to CPU for lower latency. This PCI to M2 adaptor may allow you to do that, but equally M2 port in your motherboard may also allow direct to CPU connection as well removing the need for the adapter. You’ll need to look in your MB specs to see what is best. Yes, I know and my MB have two m.2 direct cpu slots, but one is for boot (Euphony) and second if for ssd with music library, in case and ssd will full - PCI is an option. Exocer and Gavin1977 2 Link to comment
Popular Post Nenon Posted March 4, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 Taiko's new USB card: Source: https://whatsbestforum.com/threads/taiko-audio-sgm-extreme-the-crème-de-la-crème.27433/page-325#post-707914 Exocer, StreamFidelity, Gavin1977 and 5 others 1 5 2 Industry disclosure: https://chicagohifi.com Dealer for: Taiko Audio, Conrad Johnson, Audio Mirror, and Sean Jacobs Link to comment
ASRMichael Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Nenon said: Taiko's new USB card: Source: https://whatsbestforum.com/threads/taiko-audio-sgm-extreme-the-crème-de-la-crème.27433/page-325#post-707914 No external power option? Link to comment
Downtheline Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Nenon said: Taiko's new USB Any idea if this will be sold to non-extreme users? Link to comment
Popular Post Nenon Posted March 4, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, ASRMichael said: No external power option? My guess is this is where the 5V and 12V rails go: (haven't confirmed with Emile, that's just my guess) 5 minutes ago, Downtheline said: Any idea if this will be sold to non-extreme users? He was willing to make it available for the DIY project. But I guess the Extreme owners VIP treatment would apply first. Gavin1977, vhs and Exocer 1 2 Industry disclosure: https://chicagohifi.com Dealer for: Taiko Audio, Conrad Johnson, Audio Mirror, and Sean Jacobs Link to comment
Gavin1977 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Wow Taiko are busy... looks great Link to comment
AME Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Looks great, I am however curious which USB chipset will be used. I understood that it will not be using the ASM 3142. Link to comment
OAudio Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 hours ago, AME said: Looks great, I am however curious which USB chipset will be used. I understood that it will not be using the ASM 3142. Looks very much like it uses the same host controller I also alighted on when screening available chipsets, the μPD720202. lwr 1 OAudio Ltd. OAudio Supreme - music server. OAudio RealStream - digital audio components. Link to comment
Popular Post seeteeyou Posted March 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2021 Broadcom Opens Up Chips With SDK https://www.futuriom.com/articles/news/broadcom-opens-up-chips-with-sdk/2018/01 https://github.com/Broadcom-Network-Switching-Software https://www.facebook.com/groups/1666878710260500/permalink/2874965776118448 https://www.facebook.com/groups/1666878710260500/permalink/2887367801544912 https://www.facebook.com/groups/1666878710260500/permalink/2888886371393055 https://www.facebook.com/groups/1666878710260500/permalink/2898887480392944 Apparently a local audiophile here in Hong Kong got his hands on Broadcom SDK and did something very naughty, DELA / Melco S100's ROM was "transferred" to Buffalo BS-GS2016 accordingly and the rest was history. I guess it's gotta be a piece of cake for @Nenon to get that done as well? https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/58164-building-a-diy-music-server/page/51/?tab=comments#comment-1096974 On 12/18/2020 at 5:40 AM, Nenon said: The 900P is different series. They are not bad, but the P4800X sounds better. I compared the two in my system. Oddly enough Extreme users report no difference between the Intel 660p and Optane 900p. That is not my experience. That is all on Windows. With Linux / Euphony these tests need to be redone. Did anyone give P5800X a shot yet? https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2020/12/Enable-Unprecedented-Storage-Value-with-Intel-Optane-SSD-P5800X-David-Tuhy.pdf Speaking of latency, why don't we PXE boot LTSC 2019 (via Ultra OCXO PFBuffalo) into Apacer wide-temperature RAM instead of running Windows off Optane P4800X? https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/30376-a-novel-way-to-massively-improve-the-sq-of-computer-audio-streaming/page/691/?tab=comments#comment-1072512 On 8/7/2020 at 3:40 PM, Nenon said: You can do that same test in my system, and although you disconnect the cable while playing, the buffered tracks using the switch with the upgraded clock sound much better. In other words, even if you disconnect the network cable, whatever good or bad things your network does is already embedded in the buffered track somehow. https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/26743-running-win-os-purely-in-ram/ On 1/27/2016 at 10:18 PM, manisandher said: Running the OS purely from RAM has provided a quantum leap in SQ. Whether this is down to the increased speed or decreased noise, or a mixture of a lot of things, I have no idea. But the result is dramatic. https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/59138-subjective-comparison-of-software-music-player/page/5/?tab=comments#comment-1097768 On 12/22/2020 at 10:07 AM, manueljenkin said: I uninstalled my apogee dac driver and reinstalled it on the RAMDisk. And now everything made started falling in to place. The 8khz hiss on all the three players reduced drastically and the bass improved a lot. Exocer and kyoya78 1 1 Link to comment
Nenon Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 10 hours ago, seeteeyou said: Did anyone give P5800X a shot yet? https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2020/12/Enable-Unprecedented-Storage-Value-with-Intel-Optane-SSD-P5800X-David-Tuhy.pdf Looks good! Not easily available yet. I will get the 400GB version for the OS at some point. kyoya78 1 Industry disclosure: https://chicagohifi.com Dealer for: Taiko Audio, Conrad Johnson, Audio Mirror, and Sean Jacobs Link to comment
Mops911 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 1:55 AM, Nenon said: If I was building a heavy duty upsampling computer, I would go with "The Beast" fanless chassis and pick one of the new AMD CPUs when they become available later this year. @Nenonwhy would you choose AMD over Intel? Is this based on your last builds documented in this thread? Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Mops911 said: @Nenonwhy would you choose AMD over Intel? Is this based on your last builds documented in this thread? More processing power and less heat is two reasons... No electron left behind. Link to comment
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