Popular Post seeteeyou Posted January 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2021 https://www.diretta.link/download/ https://www.diretta.link/download/ASIODriver.pdf https://www.diretta.link/download/diretta_usb_bridge_x64_limited-forumhifi.zip FYI - @Patatorz wrote this nice article about Diretta here http://patatorz.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=46 http://patatorz.com/2021/01/02/english-diretta-protocol-an-improvement-in-digital-streaming/ https://mixi.jp/view_bbs.pl?comm_id=6253388&id=78749654 Quote それと昨年の年末ごろに、ラズパイ4のsymphonic-mpdでAudio over Etherという通信方式が開発され日々改良が行われています。この方式がとても良く、Direttaの様な音がします。 Also, around the end of last year, a communication method called "Audio over Ether" was developed for raspberry 4 symphonic-mpd, and it is being improved every day. This method is very good and sounds like Diretta. Audio over Ether could bypass the entire TCP/IP stack, it's acting pretty much like RDMA from Mellanox. So far the beta testers who gave AoE a try would praise its wonderful sound, one of them also compiled that for x86 machines already. Exocer and Gavin1977 1 1 Link to comment
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Popular Post genvirt Posted January 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2021 Hi all! (sorry for my not really good English) Finally here is my two cent:) First I want to THANK to all who supports me in this build and was very patient and helpful, especially to @nenon , who opened this wonderful thread and gave me a full support for my endless questions and much more, and to @elan120 who also support me in all issues. So, it starts one summer weekend day, when I bumped up into this thread, while looking for “how to improve my three year old PC sound”, it took me two days for finish reading all this and the decision had fall. I decided to build Nenon’s built (his summer configuration): … H5 2nd Gen Fanless PC Case HDPLEX 800W DC-ATX with 16V-63VDC Input ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero AMD Ryzen 2 AM4 DDR4 M.2 USB 3.1 Gen2 ATX X470 AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Apacer ECC RAM (2x4gb) USB CARD XE NET CARD XE Intel Optane Memory M.2 2280 32GB PCIe NVMe 3.0 x 2 (MEMPEK1W032GAXT) … Also I decided to build PSU that will “feed this all”, after searching and learning I‘ll going to build DIY PSU based on Dr. Sean Jacobs components (elan120 post great instructions that I’ll be using), for now all staff had comes finally to me and I can start with (hope soon I will), but this will be an another story:) For PSU I ordered Modushop chassis that have 13 heigh front plate and by advise of Nenon I ordered one more plate for using as a front panel of PC for “set looking” staff. After thinking a while I decided to add heigh to HDPlex chassis that will suit 13cm front panel and for vertical installation of 800w dc-atx. For this I ordered two side panels of same H5 HDPlex chassis and cut them (maybe if I were start it today, I would using Modushop chassis for PC straight ahead ). Well, there were a lot of drill and cut work that had been done here:) I “wasted” one front plate and finally used it as additional separate plate with preparation for additional cooling if it will needed (my CPU temp was quite high and it took me a lot of time to nail it, finally it is much better, but I’m thinking anyway to add a bit more cooling here). For not being “stuck” without a music while building PSU I added HDPlex 200w AC adapter for a while. So ,what about the sound? Oh yes, never my system has sounded such great! I really love it, straight out of the box it sounds amazing! (I’m using Euphony OS and for me it’s the best sounding OS). At start point I used JCat USB Femto card (from previous PC) and now it exchanged for XE one - wonderful improvement in all aspects (thank You @Marcin_gps!), hope soon to order an JCat XE Net card too. In the future I’ll exchange internal PC cables for DIY. Add bit useful info of my project that I centralized (most were posted by Nenon prior actually). PC parts.pdf ASRMichael, Tatomek7, MarcelNL and 4 others 7 Link to comment
Gavin1977 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 21 hours ago, seeteeyou said: https://www.diretta.link/download/ https://www.diretta.link/download/ASIODriver.pdf https://www.diretta.link/download/diretta_usb_bridge_x64_limited-forumhifi.zip FYI - @Patatorz wrote this nice article about Diretta here http://patatorz.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=46 http://patatorz.com/2021/01/02/english-diretta-protocol-an-improvement-in-digital-streaming/ https://mixi.jp/view_bbs.pl?comm_id=6253388&id=78749654 Audio over Ether could bypass the entire TCP/IP stack, it's acting pretty much like RDMA from Mellanox. So far the beta testers who gave AoE a try would praise its wonderful sound, one of them also compiled that for x86 machines already. Anymore info on audio over ether? Link to comment
Popular Post seeteeyou Posted January 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2021 33 minutes ago, Gavin1977 said: Anymore info on audio over ether? It's just a matter of signing up for an account first https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/317583-journeys-with-a-pi-from-a-standing-start-to-symphonic-mpd/?tab=comments#comment-4581125 Then they'll send you an e-mail with your credentials afterwards, everything about Audio over Ether could be found on their forums accordingly while Google Translate should be able to take care of those threads in posted Japanese https://www.symphonic-mpd.com/forum/ They really didn't want anything to be shared outside their official site, that's why I wasn't providing more information than one should in the first place. IMHO many Linux distros out there with whatever RT kernels these days might be considered somewhat "boring" when compared to stuff like Symphonic MPD etc. with RTDM / Xenomai https://xenomai.org/documentation/xenomai-3/html/xeno3prm/group__rtdm.html They're also writing their own drivers for Xenomai such as rtalsa and xsink. vgrubb and Gavin1977 2 Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 @seeteeyou When you say many Linux distro's are boring when compared to other stuff do you mean pace of development or sound quality? ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
ASRMichael Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, genvirt said: Hi all! (sorry for my not really good English) Finally here is my two cent:) First I want to THANK to all who supports me in this build and was very patient and helpful, especially to @nenon , who opened this wonderful thread and gave me a full support for my endless questions and much more, and to @elan120 who also support me in all issues. So, it starts one summer weekend day, when I bumped up into this thread, while looking for “how to improve my three year old PC sound”, it took me two days for finish reading all this and the decision had fall. I decided to build Nenon’s built (his summer configuration): … H5 2nd Gen Fanless PC Case HDPLEX 800W DC-ATX with 16V-63VDC Input ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero AMD Ryzen 2 AM4 DDR4 M.2 USB 3.1 Gen2 ATX X470 AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Apacer ECC RAM (2x4gb) USB CARD XE NET CARD XE Intel Optane Memory M.2 2280 32GB PCIe NVMe 3.0 x 2 (MEMPEK1W032GAXT) … Also I decided to build PSU that will “feed this all”, after searching and learning I‘ll going to build DIY PSU based on Dr. Sean Jacobs components (elan120 post great instructions that I’ll be using), for now all staff had comes finally to me and I can start with (hope soon I will), but this will be an another story:) For PSU I ordered Modushop chassis that have 13 heigh front plate and by advise of Nenon I ordered one more plate for using as a front panel of PC for “set looking” staff. After thinking a while I decided to add heigh to HDPlex chassis that will suit 13cm front panel and for vertical installation of 800w dc-atx. For this I ordered two side panels of same H5 HDPlex chassis and cut them (maybe if I were start it today, I would using Modushop chassis for PC straight ahead ). Well, there were a lot of drill and cut work that had been done here:) I “wasted” one front plate and finally used it as additional separate plate with preparation for additional cooling if it will needed (my CPU temp was quite high and it took me a lot of time to nail it, finally it is much better, but I’m thinking anyway to add a bit more cooling here). For not being “stuck” without a music while building PSU I added HDPlex 200w AC adapter for a while. So ,what about the sound? Oh yes, never my system has sounded such great! I really love it, straight out of the box it sounds amazing! (I’m using Euphony OS and for me it’s the best sounding OS). At start point I used JCat USB Femto card (from previous PC) and now it exchanged for XE one - wonderful improvement in all aspects (thank You @Marcin_gps!), hope soon to order an JCat XE Net card too. In the future I’ll exchange internal PC cables for DIY. Add bit useful info of my project that I centralized (most were posted by Nenon prior actually). PC parts.pdf 134.89 kB · 4 downloads Well done on new build. What CPU temps are you getting? Link to comment
Popular Post Soul Analogue Posted January 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2021 Here are SOME of the discrete voltage regulators for my new EPYC server Tatomek7, Exocer and Nenon 3 Builder of Linear Power Supplies Link to comment
genvirt Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 hours ago, ASRMichael said: Well done on new build. What CPU temps are you getting? At the beginning it was 70-75C, after rebuilding all heating (put more thermal paste, tighting and so on, now I’m getting 40-45-50C Link to comment
VaG Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 12 hours ago, genvirt said: Hi all! (sorry for my not really good English) Finally here is my two cent:) First I want to THANK to all who supports me in this build and was very patient and helpful, especially to @nenon , who opened this wonderful thread and gave me a full support for my endless questions and much more, and to @elan120 who also support me in all issues. So, it starts one summer weekend day, when I bumped up into this thread, while looking for “how to improve my three year old PC sound”, it took me two days for finish reading all this and the decision had fall. I decided to build Nenon’s built (his summer configuration): … H5 2nd Gen Fanless PC Case HDPLEX 800W DC-ATX with 16V-63VDC Input ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero AMD Ryzen 2 AM4 DDR4 M.2 USB 3.1 Gen2 ATX X470 AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Apacer ECC RAM (2x4gb) USB CARD XE NET CARD XE Intel Optane Memory M.2 2280 32GB PCIe NVMe 3.0 x 2 (MEMPEK1W032GAXT) … Also I decided to build PSU that will “feed this all”, after searching and learning I‘ll going to build DIY PSU based on Dr. Sean Jacobs components (elan120 post great instructions that I’ll be using), for now all staff had comes finally to me and I can start with (hope soon I will), but this will be an another story:) For PSU I ordered Modushop chassis that have 13 heigh front plate and by advise of Nenon I ordered one more plate for using as a front panel of PC for “set looking” staff. After thinking a while I decided to add heigh to HDPlex chassis that will suit 13cm front panel and for vertical installation of 800w dc-atx. For this I ordered two side panels of same H5 HDPlex chassis and cut them (maybe if I were start it today, I would using Modushop chassis for PC straight ahead ). Well, there were a lot of drill and cut work that had been done here:) I “wasted” one front plate and finally used it as additional separate plate with preparation for additional cooling if it will needed (my CPU temp was quite high and it took me a lot of time to nail it, finally it is much better, but I’m thinking anyway to add a bit more cooling here). For not being “stuck” without a music while building PSU I added HDPlex 200w AC adapter for a while. So ,what about the sound? Oh yes, never my system has sounded such great! I really love it, straight out of the box it sounds amazing! (I’m using Euphony OS and for me it’s the best sounding OS). At start point I used JCat USB Femto card (from previous PC) and now it exchanged for XE one - wonderful improvement in all aspects (thank You @Marcin_gps!), hope soon to order an JCat XE Net card too. In the future I’ll exchange internal PC cables for DIY. Add bit useful info of my project that I centralized (most were posted by Nenon prior actually). PC parts.pdf 134.89 kB · 21 downloads I bought HPlex5 but I'm disapinted. Quality is not what I expected. Link to comment
ASRMichael Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 9 hours ago, genvirt said: At the beginning it was 70-75C, after rebuilding all heating (put more thermal paste, tighting and so on, now I’m getting 40-45-50C You should be able to get that lower. Your build is very similar to mine. I'm running at 5.0ghz. Gets good temps. Exocer 1 Link to comment
genvirt Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 hours ago, ASRMichael said: You should be able to get that lower. Your build is very similar to mine. I'm running at 5.0ghz. Gets good temps. Euphony right now not supporting temperature measure for Ryzen cpu, so it hart to understand what I’m getting, and boot win or bios native each time for monitoring is too annoying - if here is other option - thank You!:) what do You mean by “running at 5.0ghz” - some bios settings? Link to comment
genvirt Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 10 hours ago, VaG said: I bought HPlex5 but I'm disapinted. Quality is not what I expected. Unfortunatly on the market not many choices for fanless PC built that ready for straight installation all pc staff without modifying. I know about HDPlex and Steacom, others only chassis and all You need DIY... trailblazers_song 1 Link to comment
ASRMichael Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, genvirt said: what do You mean by “running at 5.0ghz” - some bios settings? My CPU speed Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 taiko audio is likely coming with a DIY solution for a fanless case fairly soon from what I read here. genvirt 1 ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 My glassfiber is up, switches warming up and not having the Finisar SFPs. Sound of streamed Tidal files is almost as good as local FLACs which have a tad more energy/dynamics and seemingly better microresolution/air. All in all a very nice improvement over CAT8.1 I was using (with the same switches). ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 installing a Khozmo stepped shunt attenuator using a Vishay Zfoil in series is also having a NICE impact :-) edit; that Khozmo is stupid good, most transparent attenuator I ever heard and least hindering dynamics, and all of this with some Mundorf wire breaking in as interlink to audition it in a week or two. RickyV 1 ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
Popular Post Nenon Posted January 7, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2021 Here is the first draft of the DIY computer chassis by Taiko. It's big! Bigger than the Extreme chassis actually. Thick panels, high quality, no flimsy stuff... the thinnest panel is 6 mm. It can handle any motherboard. You can see the dual CPU Asus Sage motherboard fitted in the last photo. That is the biggest motherboard I've used. And there is so much space around it for a a power supply. Emile and I had a long discussion regarding the size of the chassis. It could be smaller. And that would be 20-30% cheaper. But this is DIY, and it would be excellent to have some extra space to work with inside the chassis. The cooling capabilities of this chassis would be extraordinary. That's another reason for the decision to make it so big. It should be able to properly cool down any consumer CPU with some headroom if we utilize both heatsinks. But even if you don't cool down crazy CPUs, keeping your CPU and everything inside the chassis a few degrees lower typically leads to better sound. There will be CPU coolers (at least for the Xeon CPUs and the SAGE motherboard) and heat pipes included. Perhaps for other CPUs in the future too. We can fit full height PCIe cards. That would be great for those of us who prefer PCIe based storage. We can fit one or more Asus Hyper M.2 cards with NVME drives inside. There will be an opening on the back that we can fit with a plate that has either a DC connector or a IEC inlet / fuse. There will also be ventilation holes on the bottom panel... these are not reflected on the pictures. An LED on the front panel and power button on the back. We would like to hear your comments. But don't ask about price. It's too early. Taiko is not doing this for profit. But good quality costs money, so don't expect it to be a couple hundred dollars. I had to buy 4 x HDPlex H5 cases to build my DIY coolers for those Xeon CPUs. That is a $1,200 expense plus a lot of work and not even close to this passive cooling solution. The main reason Emile is doing this is to enable the DIY community to build a proper dual CPU server, so we can explore new discoveries everyone would benefit from. Just like we did in the legendary Novel thread not so long ago. It's interesting how many current manufacturers were inspired or influenced by the Novel thread and used ideas from there! There was a time when DIY was ahead of the commercial sector. Also, I know there are a lot of opinions on what CPUs should be used, CUDA offloading and cooling, etc. etc. Let's stay focused on this project. This is not designed to be an universal audio / home theatre chassis like the Hdplex and Streacom cases that should be able to accomodate any computer. The purpose of this chassis is to go with a specific DIY recipe utilizing the dual CPU Asus SAGE motherboard for now. If we find something that sounds better, it can be tweaked in that direction. There is plenty of space inside for anything and plenty of cooling capacity. There is one particular question we are wondering about. For those who will be following this DIY recipe and building this computer - you are willing to pay 20-30% more for the extra space in a bigger chassis like this. There is of course plans to fill that space with a state of the art power supply. That's something that is still in the works and will be a part of the complete DIY recipe. It seems like there is a lot of excellent technology Taiko is willing to share with us. mriguy, The Computer Audiophile, hicr49 and 12 others 8 7 Industry disclosure: https://chicagohifi.com Dealer for: Taiko Audio, Conrad Johnson, Audio Mirror, and Sean Jacobs Link to comment
Popular Post dminches Posted January 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2021 I think having a bigger case is good. As long as it can fit on a standard audio rack shelf I say do it. flkin, Nenon, genvirt and 2 others 3 1 1 Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7s, 4 M&K ST-150Ts, 1 VCC-5; Amplification: 2 Vandersteen M7-HPAs, CI Audio D200 MKII, Ayre V-6xe; Preamp: Doshi Audio Line Stage v3.0; Phono Pre: Doshi Audio Phono Pre; Analog: Wave Kinetics NVS with Durand Telos composite arm; SME 3012R arm, Clearaudio Goldfinger Statement v2; Reel to Reel: Technics RS-1500; Doshi Tape Pre-Amp; Studer A810, Studer A812, Tascam BR-20; Multi-channel: Bryston SP-3; Digital: Custom PC (Sean Jacobs DC4/Euphony/Stylus)> Lampizator Pacific Link to comment
Darryl R Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 44 minutes ago, Nenon said: There is one particular question we are wondering about. For those who will be following this DIY recipe and building this computer - you are willing to pay 20-30% more for the extra space in a bigger chassis like this. There is of course plans to fill that space with a state of the art power supply. That's something that is still in the works and will be a part of the complete DIY recipe. It seems like there is a lot of excellent technology Taiko is willing to share with us. Thanks for the update Nenon. I'm not nearly as concerned with the footprint of the chassis as I am with the accompanying power offering that would fill that extra space. EDIT: I like the idea of the heavier chassis materials. Also, a small detail I've been thinking about for my current DIY server -- it might be good to consider a common thread for studs that fit some of the more affordable feet like the BDR cones. MarcelNL 1 Link to comment
Popular Post seeteeyou Posted January 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2021 Fantastic, plenty of room for Z9PX-Q32 then https://allegro.pl/oferta/4xxeon-e5-4650-z-plyta-asus-z9px-q32-rs926-e7-10045437688 BTW, are you guys (especially Emil and Sean etc.) planning to come up with something similar to Ferrum HYPSOS by any chance? http://highfidelity.pl/@main-1057&lang=en https://6moons.com/audioreview_articles/ferrum/ https://www.audioalchemy.ro/cabluri/alim/HYPSOS.pdf http://www.feversound1.com/ferrum-audio-hypsos-hong-kong-review/ https://www.monoandstereo.com/2020/12/ferrumaudio-hypsos-hybrid-power-system.html A precise voltage (e.g. 12.0V) seemed to be an advantage when there's no need for any voltage regulators. Gavin1977 and tapatrick 1 1 Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 4 Xeon CPU-s w each 140W TDP? I;d be highly surprised if ANY chassis can handle that with just passive cooling. ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
Popular Post Nsxturbo Posted January 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2021 Looks promising Nenon. I will be in for sure. The extra room and full-size PCI slots are great. 2021 is going to be an awesome DIY year! Exocer and Nenon 2 Link to comment
Ianderson Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 In the grand scream of things a higher priced case of a) better quality b) more room is universally advantageous. If one is shooting for great SQ, the price is secondary. Besides, the case is chump change compared to the rest of the BoM. (particularly the LPS’s) As an aside I heard a rumour that Innuos was going to release a audio grade Network Switch for around $3k. Not sure how valid that might be. Nenon 1 Link to comment
Exocer Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Nenon said: There is of course plans to fill that space with a state of the art power supply. That's something that is still in the works and will be a part of the complete DIY recipe. It seems like there is a lot of excellent technology Taiko is willing to share with us. Excited to see the renderings! Already a fan of the look. Regarding the recipe including an SOTA LPSU inside of the case, I did not expect you to be on board with that, given your previously mentioned preference for keeping the transformers in a separate enclosure. My guess is there will eventually be an internal "wall" option to install, for those interested in building the power supply within the chassis. I will deviate from the recipe with my external PSU.So,the extra space will go unused until I budget for the SOTA internal unit. It would be nice to have one less box and shorter DC cables! 4 hours ago, dminches said: I think having a bigger case is good. As long as it can fit on a standard audio rack shelf I say do it. Absolutely agree! Exciting times ahead. Link to comment
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