novaca Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Have you considered the new Xeon W (workstation) processors for the LGA 1200? For example, the W-1290 has 10 cores, TDP 80W and LGA 1200 is compatible with hdplex chassiss without modifications... I originally thought about the E-2236 (LGA 1151), but now I'm in doubt. Previously, there was a link to a post from Emile, where he preferred 10 core Xeons, but it was a different Xeon line. So I don't know if it is possible to generalize to the number of cores and repeat the spell in this case as well. Link to comment
dctom Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Hi Anyone using an i7 9700k in a fanless case - I have a HDplex H5 v2 I was thinking of using with this cpu. Wondering if the H5 can deal with this 95w processor. Would be grateful for any info. Link to comment
Popular Post seeteeyou Posted October 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2020 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot-core/windows-iot-enterprise Quote Windows 10 IoT Enterprise shares all the benefits of the world-wide Windows ecosystem. It is a binary equivalent to Windows 10 Enterprise, so you can use the same familiar development and management tools as client PCs and laptops. https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/taiko-audio-sgm-extreme-the-crème-de-la-crème.27433/page-164#post-639630 Quote The windows version we are using (IOT) is meant to be able to run 24/7/365, it is very similar to, though more lightweight then the windows server versions. https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/taiko-audio-sgm-extreme-the-crème-de-la-crème.27433/page-81#post-609990 Quote 2) The noise signature of OS has a huge influence over the sound that comes out from the system. Windows LTSC is the clear leader in Emile's testing, and the gap between the latest from Microsoft and the different flavors of Linux can only be expected to increase in the future. When Microsoft delivers a better kernal and scheduler, Emile for sure will build an updated OS from these new components. So the OS is absolutely future obsolescence proof for many years to come https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/59345-article-reality-quest-going-to-extremes-with-the-taiko-audio-sgm-extreme-part-5-of-5/page/7/?tab=comments#comment-1061946 On 6/20/2020 at 6:18 PM, EuroDriver said: Believe me Emile has tried every flavor of Linux under the sun, but none of them compares with a stripped Win LTSC The Windows kernel became a lot better about 2 years ago, driven by Xbox gaming performance needs I suspect Linux would have been cheaper, but as to support, Taiko has had no issues with its Win LTSC build, rock solid FYI - here's a "hybrid" version of LTSC 2019 (17763) and the latest SAC 20H2 (19042) minus the junk https://forums.mydigitallife.net/posts/1625300 Of course we could go even further with that particular image before the installation is started https://forums.mydigitallife.net/posts/1539341 https://forums.mydigitallife.net/posts/1619858 Quote Win10-Debloater.cmd W10-Debloater-SysApps.cmd Win10LTSC-Debloater.cmd Win10AIO-Debloater.cmd Finally don't forget to give MinorityClean a try http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/3063-pink-hq-minorityclean/page-35#entry52834 Quote MC64 is brighter, more forward sounding and it does something special to the transient sounds. Drums and percussion sounds much more alive and detailed. The brightness might be actually too much for my system, but the transients are probably worth it. If your system sounds a bit darker, you are going to love MC64. Bass is tighter, more focused and open, yet it feels like there are more of it. Previous versions of MC sounded like bass recorded to great analog tape, MC64 sounds like hearing the bass live. http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/3063-pink-hq-minorityclean/page-36#entry52864 Quote I am really enjoying MC64. In my system it sounds fantastic. Best imaging, vocal clarity. Need to listen longer, the bass may be less clear. To me it is the best version so far. Listening to David Sylvian Brilliant Trees last night and hearing new depth and detail in the recording. Suzanne Vega Solitude Standing was interesting. Previous versions of MC had added an artefact, like excessive reverb to the vocals. Last night my favourite track Language sounded phenomenal. The percussion especially. My signature over there will be updated whenever a new version is available http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/3063-pink-hq-minorityclean/page-35#entry52832 lwr, motberg and Exocer 3 Link to comment
Gavin1977 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 20 hours ago, dctom said: Hi Anyone using an i7 9700k in a fanless case - I have a HDplex H5 v2 I was thinking of using with this cpu. Wondering if the H5 can deal with this 95w processor. Would be grateful for any info. The largest HDPLEX is rated to 95watts - I used 8086k in it. dctom 1 Link to comment
Tatomek7 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 20 hours ago, dctom said: Wondering if the H5 can deal with this 95w processo I used Xeon e5 4610 with tdp 105W with temp below 45C. Link to comment
dctom Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Tatomek7 said: I used Xeon e5 4610 with tdp 105W with temp below 45C. Thanks, that is good to know - I can use a more powerful cpu now. Link to comment
bit01 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 @dctomIt will of course depend on what you are using it for. I have an i9-10900K in one currently. I would not dare do heavy graphics or computations that would drive it to capacity. I will be looking for a better cooling solution if I end up using it as a general purpose design. Playing music files (JRiver, AL OS in 16GB RAM) the cores are hardly working and the cpu remains quite cool. However I have seen a 12A current spike when graphics are flashed on the screen. I dont think the HD5 passive cooling is going to deal with this effectively in continuos duty. ATB. b. dctom 1 Link to comment
seeteeyou Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 FYI - Marcin just spilled the beans http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/3021-new-audiophile-build/#entry52870 Quote If you don't want any switching regulators, you will have to wait for JCAT streamer/server... USBridge Sig was the very first but it's only good for Compute Module 3 Lite https://allo.com/sparky/usbridge-signature-pcb.html Quote To lower the noise of the USB, we had to lower noise on EACH rail. In total, USBridge Sig uses more than 30 LDOs. Even the SD card power rail has a dedicated LDO. There are zero switching elements on board. At last we'll have something with x86 instead of ARM, could that actually meet / beat ASUS WS C621E SAGE or what? Link to comment
guiltyboxswapper Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 6 hours ago, seeteeyou said: USBridge Sig was the very first but it's only good for Compute Module 3 Lite Don't get too excited, it was alright "for its price point" but easily beaten by other ARM streamers with quite some ease. 6 hours ago, seeteeyou said: At last we'll have something with x86 instead of ARM, could that actually meet / beat ASUS WS C621E SAGE or what? It's not all about power... there's something going on with modern x86 architectures that no ARM device to date I've heard can match whatsoever. And I was for quite a while feeding the x86 system with a "dirty" SMPS (but USB card powered externally) and it was still night/day. Link to comment
seeteeyou Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 LOL, you just made a certain claim about X without bothering to specify what you actually did. How about stating what kinda apples-to-apples comparison was done? Volume matching? Same distro? Same kernel? Same software player on the client / server side? Same network tweaks? Same PSU with the same voltage? Same cables? Same input on the same DAC? https://community.roonlabs.com/t/ropiee-on-allo-usbridge-signature/79652/27 Quote You‘ll enjoy the USBridge Sig! I‘ve got mine, along with the Shanti LPS. The combo beats my Aurender N100H hands down (this unit costs 3,000 €!)! In my system, Roon sounds very sweet with this unit! https://community.roonlabs.com/t/ropiee-on-allo-usbridge-signature/79652/48 Quote I can confirm Paul_Jeno’s comment. I also have the USBridge Sig + LPS with a Gustard U16 DDC. It now replaces a $4k streamer… so much so I have put these with more parts and built a streamer around it inside a slick ali case with screen as a single unit. Looking at a OXCO clock and this will play with the big brands. https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/59219-new-dd-converters-from-denafrips/page/6/?tab=comments#comment-1071704 On 8/3/2020 at 4:16 AM, richard_crl032 said: Just listened to the allo's usb bridge signature via the gaia and T+ and compared the Antipodes directly via the T+ with various same tracks on both. Without the gaia for both allo's and Antipodes to the T+ that I am very familiar with, it was like subjectively 60-70% for the allo's if Antipodes is at 90% .... With the gaia for allo's, it gets to 75-80% of the Antipodes which is quite impressive and nice as a backup server since I have the gaia but it also tells me just how nice the Antipodes is .. crisp, clear and extended in comparison. FWIW running a (WAY) stripped-down OS with the right CPU affinity etc. turned out to make a HUGE difference https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/30376-a-novel-way-to-massively-improve-the-sq-of-computer-audio-streaming/page/693/?tab=comments#comment-1073768 https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/58164-building-a-diy-music-server/page/28/?tab=comments#comment-1077902 IMHO Allo could only ship their products with a distro that's relatively easy to support, meanwhile plenty of tweaks are available for ARM out there and quite a few examples could be found below http://albumplayer.ru/linux/english.html https://www.symphonic-mpd.com/forum/ https://github.com/thanhtam-h/rpi4-xeno3 https://www.patreon.com/posts/snakeoil-os-33602597 http://www.headphoneclub.com/thread-738525-1-1.html http://www.erji.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2192344 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1j9c6utgwrStLYD6xy5Yati63RcMlMp8S https://vnav.vn/threads/raspberry-pi-music-server.38335/page-184#post-2600011 https://github.com/sam0402/pcp-44.1KHz/blob/master/xenomai3/pcp-44100Hz_xe.patch https://www.my-hiend.com/vbb/showthread.php?13157-piCorePlayer6-1-0-Xenomai-44-1-48KHz雙機入門簡易安裝教學&p=242868#post242868 Exocer 1 Link to comment
Popular Post guiltyboxswapper Posted October 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, seeteeyou said: LOL, you just made a certain claim about X without bothering to specify what you actually did. How about stating what kinda apples-to-apples comparison was done? Volume matching? Same distro? Same kernel? Same software player on the client / server side? Same network tweaks? Same PSU with the same voltage? Same cables? Same input on the same DAC? Game on! No that's a fair point Tried USB Sig with: - Shanti PSU and no EtherRegen; PSU is certainly weak point. - Shanti PSU and with EtherRegen and GentooPlayer "stock" kernel (HQPlayer NAA) - Shanti PSU and with EtherRegen and GentooPlayer with RT kernel, and "run from memory" mode (HQPlayer NAA again) - MPAudio PSU and with EtherRegen and GentooPlayer with RT kernel, and "run from memory" mode (HQPlayer NAA again) Tried it on 2 DACs, same USB cables, able to match volume no problem. Different kernel combos as ref'd above. The baseline comparison was the opticalRendu and opticalModule in comparison using the same PSU set at 7v instead of 5v, same network etc... it wasn't close. Yes the Sonore stuff costs more, for sure. Honestly its great "for the money" and I'm sure it'll beat older gen stuff no problem (such as the Aurender mentioned). But to laud it as some kind of magical device that beats all current stuff? Nah. This is something that gets thrown about re: Allo products, but I've now tried many of them, and again good VFM but nothing that special. PS: the Shanti PSU is a real let down compared to MPAudio. I thought I was having issues with mine, but others with the same Shanti PSU were finding their MPAudio modules were also walking past it too. Exocer and Gavin1977 1 1 Link to comment
guiltyboxswapper Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 21 minutes ago, seeteeyou said: FWIW running a (WAY) stripped-down OS with the right CPU affinity etc. turned out to make a HUGE difference I tried this too.... its not very stable! I found it cut out a lot with not only NAA DSD rate, but even PCM content. Unlistenable. @seeteeyou did you own any of this Allo stuff? Link to comment
guiltyboxswapper Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, seeteeyou said: Quote You‘ll enjoy the USBridge Sig! I‘ve got mine, along with the Shanti LPS. The combo beats my Aurender N100H hands down (this unit costs 3,000 €!)! In my system, Roon sounds very sweet with this unit! https://darko.audio/2015/09/aurender-n100h-music-serverstreamer-review/ The Aurender is a 2015 unit. 2015 ! Ofcourse it beats the Aurender.... I'd be sad if a new 2019 design didnt. Link to comment
Gavin1977 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/30376-a-novel-way-to-massively-improve-the-sq-of-computer-audio-streaming/?do=findComment&comment=1044866 Now with SGM Extreme (x86 based). Link to comment
auricgoldfinger Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Thoughts on this range of power supplies anyone? https://www.pachankostudio.com/products Link to comment
Popular Post seeteeyou Posted October 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2020 "Word first class build LPSU" sounded very so promising to me, LOL FWIW Pachanko didn't seem to have a solid track record according to multiple customers https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/26411-pachanko-sata-cable/page/6/#comments If they weren't even able to ship their cables without significant delays, what are we supposed to expect for a megabuck PSU then? Unless they're ordering their Duelund CAST Silver in bulk just like what Taiko Audio did, where would they find a reputable + reliable source with reasonable pricing? https://www.facebook.com/duelundcoherentaudio/posts/3707228172640409 https://www.facebook.com/duelundcoherentaudio/posts/3752379124791980 They didn't really mention whether it's the cheapest one @ 0.1uF or the others, Hifi Collective could hardly keep that particular one in stock https://www.hificollective.co.uk/catalog/-c-61_68_329_338.html Right now I don't even see 0.1uF here while only 1 outta 3 choices could be added to their shopping cart despite the status shown https://www.partsconnexion.com/duelund-cast-pio-silver-electronic-film-capacitors-630vdc.html Maybe they're actually stocking up on 0.1uF for real, who knows? Though it's just kinda funny to see Audio Note on their product page while they're claiming that's meant to be Duelund CAST Silver https://www.pachankostudio.com/product-page/pachanko-audiophile-masterpiece-edition-highend-lpsu Could they REALLY find the the right source for Duelund or not? And then I certainly hope that 4N silver stuff wouldn't come from Tao Bao before they're treated cryogenically, not sure if there were too many O-core transformers with 4N silver out there but Kenneth Lau got them from Simon Tuned https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=534199855459 https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=534325078734 https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=534389904041 Maybe they're also sharing the same source or something? https://kitsunehifi.com/product/kitsune-hifi-800w-occ-isolation-transformer/ Neotech 7N Cryo Silver and Duelund 5N Cryo Silver could also be found on Tao Bao easily https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=15985627183 https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=36010441073 "Super low noise linear regulator boards" could mean so many things. LT3045? Single / double-regulated? What kinda (continuous / transient) current could each 19V / 5V rail provide? Just asking for so much money without giving us some basic details, especially their (realistic) lead time in the middle of a global pandemic that ain't going away soon. I dunno man, 3 rails of DC4 just happened to cost £4400 and that's like quite a bit less than €5000 these days. Which one is a (much) safer bet? ASRMichael, auricgoldfinger, motberg and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment
Nsxturbo Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Ok I’ll admit I’m kind of shooting in the dark here, but does any DIYer know what brand this capacitor is? There is no name on it just the logo. Link to comment
basillus Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Quote 19 minutes ago, Nsxturbo said: Ok I’ll admit I’m kind of shooting in the dark here, but does any DIYer know what brand this capacitor is? There is no name on it just the logo. It’s look like this: https://www.amazon.com/pcs-1000uF-Radial-Electrolytic-Capacitors/dp/B00I4QYRT2 richard_crl032 1 Link to comment
Nsxturbo Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, basillus said: It’s look like this: https://www.amazon.com/pcs-1000uF-Radial-Electrolytic-Capacitors/dp/B00I4QYRT2 Sure does! Thanks for the help bacillus. Link to comment
auricgoldfinger Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 5 hours ago, seeteeyou said: "Word first class build LPSU" sounded very so promising to me, LOL FWIW Pachanko didn't seem to have a solid track record according to multiple customers https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/26411-pachanko-sata-cable/page/6/#comments If they weren't even able to ship their cables without significant delays, what are we supposed to expect for a megabuck PSU then? Unless they're ordering their Duelund CAST Silver in bulk just like what Taiko Audio did, where would they find a reputable + reliable source with reasonable pricing? https://www.facebook.com/duelundcoherentaudio/posts/3707228172640409 https://www.facebook.com/duelundcoherentaudio/posts/3752379124791980 They didn't really mention whether it's the cheapest one @ 0.1uF or the others, Hifi Collective could hardly keep that particular one in stock https://www.hificollective.co.uk/catalog/-c-61_68_329_338.html Right now I don't even see 0.1uF here while only 1 outta 3 choices could be added to their shopping cart despite the status shown https://www.partsconnexion.com/duelund-cast-pio-silver-electronic-film-capacitors-630vdc.html Maybe they're actually stocking up on 0.1uF for real, who knows? Though it's just kinda funny to see Audio Note on their product page while they're claiming that's meant to be Duelund CAST Silver https://www.pachankostudio.com/product-page/pachanko-audiophile-masterpiece-edition-highend-lpsu Could they REALLY find the the right source for Duelund or not? And then I certainly hope that 4N silver stuff wouldn't come from Tao Bao before they're treated cryogenically, not sure if there were too many O-core transformers with 4N silver out there but Kenneth Lau got them from Simon Tuned https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=534199855459 https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=534325078734 https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=534389904041 Maybe they're also sharing the same source or something? https://kitsunehifi.com/product/kitsune-hifi-800w-occ-isolation-transformer/ Neotech 7N Cryo Silver and Duelund 5N Cryo Silver could also be found on Tao Bao easily https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=15985627183 https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=36010441073 "Super low noise linear regulator boards" could mean so many things. LT3045? Single / double-regulated? What kinda (continuous / transient) current could each 19V / 5V rail provide? Just asking for so much money without giving us some basic details, especially their (realistic) lead time in the middle of a global pandemic that ain't going away soon. I dunno man, 3 rails of DC4 just happened to cost £4400 and that's like quite a bit less than €5000 these days. Which one is a (much) safer bet? Thanks for your thoughts and detailed analysis! Terrific as usual. Link to comment
Popular Post OAudio Posted October 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2020 7 hours ago, auricgoldfinger said: Thoughts on this range of power supplies anyone? https://www.pachankostudio.com/products They look very well presented but there is an absence of measured performance figures, which seems to be the standard for audiophile supplies. The hifi wires, caps cryo parts etc etc, may be good tick boxes for some potential customers but measurements should be the starting point. Steady state noise figures at rated load would be nice as a start, but transient load response performance is proberbly the better paper indicator. Start at < 200usec for 5 amp transient rail voltage recovery with a critically damped response and <20mv over / undershoot. This is is typical for low to medium cost bench linear PSU. At the prices being sought for the supplies I would be looking for way way better that these figures though. Beyond these figures you would have to listen to them preferably with intended music server. I am not sure if folks are very aware of just how much SQ is to be picked up by tuning a LPS's design and setup to suit a specific server application. RickyV, motberg, auricgoldfinger and 1 other 4 OAudio Ltd. OAudio Supreme - music server. OAudio RealStream - digital audio components. Link to comment
Dev Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 7 hours ago, auricgoldfinger said: Thoughts on this range of power supplies anyone? https://www.pachankostudio.com/products One thing I must say that the chassis looks extremely beautiful and high-end, very much "Ayre" type and something I would like to see in my rack, off-coarse provided their performance is at par or beyond. Link to comment
auricgoldfinger Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Dev said: One thing I must say that the chassis looks extremely beautiful and high-end, very much "Ayre" type and something I would like to see in my rack, off-coarse provided their performance is at par or beyond. Having been burned by Adrian at TLS, I was naturally skeptical. @seeteeyou confirmed my intuition to stay away. Link to comment
Dev Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, auricgoldfinger said: Having been burned by Adrian at TLS, I was naturally skeptical. @seeteeyou confirmed my intuition to stay away. Reading that thread I thought all issues were sorted out....but anyways, my comment was not for anyone to go ahead and buy it. I was merely commenting on the chassis which no one seems to offer. Pretty unique in that respect, regardless of what anyone claims. Link to comment
auricgoldfinger Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, Dev said: Reading that thread I thought all issues were sorted out....but anyways, my comment was not for anyone to go ahead and buy it. I was merely commenting on the chassis which no one seems to offer. Pretty unique in that respect, regardless of what anyone claims. I didn't take your post as a recommendation. 🙂 Link to comment
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