MarcelNL Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 it is large-ish 😁 as I am looking to create thermal stability over a larger range of in house temperature as our current house gets incredibly hot ridiculously fast and it affects the server temp quite a bit, I ordered the heatsink at Reichelt, I can post a link if anyone is interested (I;d suggest to wait until I know if it actually can cope with the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 105 TDP ASRMichael 1 ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 BTW, does anyone know more about heatpipes? I imagine that keeping them shorter is beneficial for heat transfer and to prevent heat buildup, I assume heat buildup due to transient peaks of power is why we see more massive copper being used in some heat sink designs...creating a buffer that can be filled where the heatpipes conduct heat away from the CPU more slowly....?? I ordered long heat pipes as I had no clue how the build would look, but I plan to order shorter ones once I have the final geometry (if there ever is anything final in this hobby) ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Found a spec sheet that makes it sound as if shorter is better and kinky is not desired; https://docs.rs-online.com/cab7/0900766b813eb670.pdf ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
Popular Post bobfa Posted September 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2021 On 9/6/2021 at 12:39 PM, Nenon said: But wait there's more. Apparently the wooden box helps even when put over components with closed chassis as it is still blocking a lot of the air movement reaching the chassis. I had never thought of that. I have a big wooden box around my gear for that exact reason. My grandmothers Victrola. I hang a fan off the back of the cabinet with rubber mountings . Superdad, EmmettM, NanoSword and 4 others 4 3 My Audio Systems Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 9 hours ago, MarcelNL said: it is large-ish 😁 as I am looking to create thermal stability over a larger range of in house temperature as our current house gets incredibly hot ridiculously fast and it affects the server temp quite a bit, I ordered the heatsink at Reichelt, I can post a link if anyone is interested (I;d suggest to wait until I know if it actually can cope with the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 105 TDP Quoting you, because I couldn't find a way to get you to come up with a mention, however... I see you have an X570 board in your signature. What are you doing, if anything about the chipset fan? No electron left behind. Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 53 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: Quoting you, because I couldn't find a way to get you to come up with a mention, however... I see you have an X570 board in your signature. What are you doing, if anything about the chipset fan? writing @AudioDoctor does that trick too. I 'm not doing anything about the chipset fan other than that it probably does not move due to manual fan setting scheme I'm using, I have not done anything with it yet as I have bigger fish to fry first. Will be able to see how it behaves when the MB is mounted on a board next week, test flying the heatsink solution. I read that the new MB's do not need a chipset fan anymore, and at some point I probably will use one of those. ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 My new thinking on a silent server. A giant case with minimal components inside it, ridiculously quiet fans, isolated water cooling components, SSDs only, and lots of airflow. Asus has released 4 new X570 motherboards with passive chipset cooling also. I am hoping to get the X570 ProArt and test my theory out in a Fractal Meshify 2 XL case. SO far, here are the parts I am considering. Noctua Fans: https://noctua.at/en/nf-a12x25-pwm Asus Board: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/ProArt/ProArt-X570-CREATOR-WIFI/ Meshify 2 XL case: https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/meshify/meshify-2-xl-light-tempered-glass/Black/ one giant 480 radiator on the top, 3 fans in the front, 1 in the back, all the Noctua fans which claim a 22.6dB noise output at full speed. a water cooled CPU and GPU, 5800X and 3080 a pump mounted on rubber grommets, an EK D5 pump which claims a 33dB noise level. I also want to try fitting the side door from the Define 7 XL which is solid metal instead of the glass on the Meshify. No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, MarcelNL said: writing @AudioDoctor does that trick too. I 'm not doing anything about the chipset fan other than that it probably does not move due to manual fan setting scheme I'm using, I have not done anything with it yet as I have bigger fish to fry first. Will be able to see how it behaves when the MB is mounted on a board next week, test flying the heatsink solution. I read that the new MB's do not need a chipset fan anymore, and at some point I probably will use one of those. I tried writing @MarcelNL I see the problem, I was using an I instead of an l haha. Thanks for your reply. MarcelNL 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 I hope fanless will work, I'm pretty sure it can be done. Problem with fans is motion, and noise. Just keep i mind that the 33dB for the pump will increase by quite a bit as sound pressure is additive, You are basically quadrupling the amount of fans, adding like 3dB with the addition of each one. Of course you will not end up using all at max speed but I'd seriously think about the total noise as the fan noise will be added to the pump noise. ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 @AudioDoctor I am guessing your build is for gaming ? Otherwise I'd leave the GPU's out, huge powerdrains, a headless server is quieter both due to lower power draw and due their fans. ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
Mags Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 5 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: My new thinking on a silent server. A giant case with minimal components inside it, ridiculously quiet fans, isolated water cooling components, SSDs only, and lots of airflow. Asus has released 4 new X570 motherboards with passive chipset cooling also. I am hoping to get the X570 ProArt and test my theory out in a Fractal Meshify 2 XL case. SO far, here are the parts I am considering. Noctua Fans: https://noctua.at/en/nf-a12x25-pwm Asus Board: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/ProArt/ProArt-X570-CREATOR-WIFI/ Meshify 2 XL case: https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/meshify/meshify-2-xl-light-tempered-glass/Black/ one giant 480 radiator on the top, 3 fans in the front, 1 in the back, all the Noctua fans which claim a 22.6dB noise output at full speed. a water cooled CPU and GPU, 5800X and 3080 a pump mounted on rubber grommets, an EK D5 pump which claims a 33dB noise level. I also want to try fitting the side door from the Define 7 XL which is solid metal instead of the glass on the Meshify. The Noctua fans are very quiet, I use one under the monster 833C tube in my mono amps (you can see it under the tube in this picture). The bulk of the noise they produce, however, is not from the fan itself but from the air being forced past the components being cooled. I ended up dropping the fan voltage by about 1/3 in order to get the whole arrangement quiet - fortunately that plus the finned top caps provided enough airflow/heat dissipation to keep the tube from melting down. MarcelNL 1 Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Yeah the airflow is often contributing most of the noise, which also indicated flow is likely turbulent...laminar airflow is quiter, alas what can you do but lower the fan speed or use a different fan design, or no fan at all... definitely OT: You may be stretching the envelope a bit far if the glass is at risk of melting, tubes usually come in bulbs designed to accomodate their nominal dissipated power. ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
Mags Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, MarcelNL said: You may be stretching the envelope a bit far if the glass is at risk of melting, tubes usually come in bulbs designed to accomodate their nominal dissipated power. Actually the 833C transmitter tubes are designed to use forced air cooling; without it the top seals tend to fail. Interestingly, the air should not be too cool or the tube will not operate at optimum efficiency - because of that I use the pre-heated air from inside the chassis for cooling. Getting 200 watts per channel from a single ended triode takes a lot of voltage and heat! MarcelNL 1 Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 I was mixing them up with the 6C33C-B beasts I used a good while ago, I have ogled that monster tube at some point but got hooked on the 'mesh sound'. ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
Popular Post VoicesInMyHead Posted September 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2021 I just want to start by saying that I've been reading this thread from beginning to end with great pleasure, I've learned so much in the last year. I really couldn't believe that I would get back into DIY again, but this time it's been more fun and rewarding than ever before, mainly thanks to everyone here! 😊 OK, I get that I'm a bit late to the praising choir, I was on the preorder list for the Taiko Audio DC-ATX earlier this summer but when it finally became available I started hesitating for a whole bunch of reasons. Last week @Nenon convinced me to just go for it and I realized that maybe it was time to give in. I received it today and at first when I got it in my hand I almost dropped it, I was a bit shocked about the weight. Not what I expected, but the build quality of this thing feels amazing! I've been listening for a few hours now with the Taiko installed and driven by my Sean Jacobs DC3. I'm expecting it to improve even more with further burn-in, but It's already such a profound upgrade that I almost want to slap myself for not doing this earlier. Everything is simply better with the Taiko. I've read some posts lately from people who seemed to be in a similar situation like me and are still "thinking" about it, that's why I wanted to share my feelings about it. As always YMMV, but partnered with a great PSU I don't see how you can go wrong with the Taiko. I can't wait to see what further MB, CPU and PSU upgrades will result in, but the Taiko Audio DC-ATX feels like a good foundation to fully take advantage of it. RickyV, beautiful music and Aberrant-Decoder 2 1 Link to comment
Popular Post MarcelNL Posted September 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2021 now see what you guys did, I just put my order in for the Taiko ATX....🤪 VoicesInMyHead and ASRMichael 1 1 ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
Mags Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, MarcelNL said: now see what you guys did, I just put my order in for the Taiko ATX....🤪 Now you guys have really done it, I took a look at their website and really want their Extreme Music Server now. Hmmm...at $34K maybe I can convince my wife it would be a great retirement present. Then pigs will fly by my window... ;-) MarcelNL 1 Link to comment
Popular Post ASRMichael Posted September 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, Mags said: Now you guys have really done it, I took a look at their website and really want their Extreme Music Server now. Hmmm...at $34K maybe I can convince my wife it would be a great retirement present. Then pigs will fly by my window... ;-) Buying a Taiko ATX & using a Unregulated LPS will certainly get you closer to the quality of the Taiko Extreme. At a fraction of the cost! VoicesInMyHead and NanoSword 1 1 Link to comment
VoicesInMyHead Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, ASRMichael said: Buying a Taiko ATX & using a Unregulated LPS will certainly get you closer to the quality of the Taiko Extreme. At a fraction of the cost! And that's exactly my plan... 😊 (ps. just noticed I used the wrong url for the image in my post and as it's not possible to edit posts... no image) ASRMichael 1 Link to comment
Tatomek7 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 4 hours ago, VoicesInMyHead said: And that's exactly my plan Do it sooner, than later. You will be surprised by the SQ increase. Even version with Hammond choke offers nice jump, at least in comparison to Keces P8. NanoSword 1 Link to comment
elan120 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, Tatomek7 said: Even version with Hammond choke offers nice jump Are the other versions available that offers more? Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 9 hours ago, MarcelNL said: @AudioDoctor I am guessing your build is for gaming ? Otherwise I'd leave the GPU's out, huge powerdrains, a headless server is quieter both due to lower power draw and due their fans. Its for HQPlayer. No electron left behind. Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 I will probably get a custom wound choke(s) and will discuss merits with the winder who made the massive chokes for my power amp. ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: Its for HQPlayer. if you can I'd try run HQ player headless. ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Just now, MarcelNL said: if you can I'd try run HQ player headless. It will be... No electron left behind. Link to comment
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