Quadman Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, BrownMagic said: how much does these mods cost if one has to do it themselves? And what amount of skills do you need? Is it just an easy solder job? Would be great if you could show us pics of your mods. I have posted pictures of my mods go back mid to late April in this thread and you'll see them. I have attached my order summary from parts connexcion so cost was around $110. I used 10uF caps as that what was in the May, but as ExtremeBoky says you can use most any value and save a few more $. I used spare wire I had for the AC Voltage selector bypass and bypassing the on/off switch is just removing some jumpers. I highly recommend using 16ga wire for the AC mains in, 14ga wire required me to snip off a few strands so I could fit in the holes of the PCB. The KTE uses silver wire, I used very good copper wire, EB suggests silver ribbon wire, not the easiest to source and way more expensive. Now opening the May, both PSU and main dac requires a lot of screw removal and there are some pics on Kitsune website how to open a Spring dac, the process for the May is pretty similar. To solder AC wires direct to the PCB you need a good soldering iron and good solder as well as solder removal skills and preferably a desolder tool to get the 6 position plug out. If you have one it is not difficult, but be careful non the less. To get to the undersides of the boards to solder and de-solder you also need to remove the bottom of each unit. For the dac that means removing the dac modules, the USB module and a lot of screws, much care and very clear thought required to do this. Then it is just de-solder the 2 Vishay grey caps and solder in the replacements. The Auricap XO is a very very good cap but has two wires off each end and I also needed to trim some strands from each to fit in the PCB holes. If you have the experience and skills and good tools it is a very easy mod. If not then I suggest not doing it as bad things can happen. For me who has lots of DIY experience it was one of the easier mods I have done. The sonic results are well above the cost to do it. Although it could technically void your warranty, That would be a kitsune/Holo call. Link to comment
Quadman Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 I also recommend cleaning the stock L2 fuse as EB mentions or upgrade to a premium fuse. I bought my L2 used and previous owner had installed a synergistic orange fuse which saved me $160. Link to comment
damascato Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 On 7/4/2021 at 11:33 PM, madfonzy said: Hey mate just get a RPi4, load Ropieee and connect via USB. This will be you cheapest option. This is what I have been running with Roon and KTE with no locking delay issues. And no sound quality issues? The USB signal from the RPi is famous for not being great. But at the same time the Holo’s USB should be. Link to comment
damascato Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Hey guys, can someone explain to me how to get rid of the PLL locking delay? I find it very annoying because every time I play a new song from Roon that is a different sample rate , the May goes on “locking” for a few seconds so I miss the first 3/4 seconds of the new song. my source is an Allo Digione via SPDIF. is the only solution to disable the PLL? Won’t it compromise sound quality? Link to comment
barrows Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, damascato said: is the only solution to disable the PLL? Won’t it compromise sound quality? Yes, especially if it takes a long time to lock. Long locking time is an indication that your source is high jitter, a lower jitter source will lock more quickly. Get a better source if you want to use the PLL and have it lock more quickly; if you turn off the PLL with a source with high jitter, then you will have degraded sound quality, the PLL when on, will clean up most of the jitter of the source. In the mean time, try setting a long buffer in Roon, at least then it might lock before the next song in the playlist starts. SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 512-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical with Well Tempered Clock--DIY DSC-2 DAC with SC Pure Clock--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112 sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. ISOAcoustics Oreas footers. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | Accessories | Software | Link to comment
damascato Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, barrows said: Yes, especially if it takes a long time to lock. Long locking time is an indication that your source is high jitter, a lower jitter source will lock more quickly. Get a better source if you want to use the PLL and have it lock more quickly; if you turn off the PLL with a source with high jitter, then you will have degraded sound quality, the PLL when on, will clean up most of the jitter of the source. In the mean time, try setting a long buffer in Roon, at least then it might lock before the next song in the playlist starts. The longer buffer is a good idea, thanks. I'm surprised that an Allo Digione has such a high jitter, though... 🤔 Link to comment
Quadman Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 2 hours ago, damascato said: someone explain to me how to get rid of the PLL locking delay I've had my holo may since March 31 and I have no PLL locking issues whatsoever, yes it is on. I use a custom built PC (built by me) and direct connect to the May via USB. Roon as my cataloging database and HQP as my roon output. Buffer set to auto in HQP. I never see any Locking issues on my display even when different base formats are sent to HQP from roon. I run HQP at native rates (same as roon sends to HQP), High PCM rates and high DSD rates. No issues. The Allo Digione must have very high jitter levels. May dac has been measured and found to be one of the very best ever measured. Link to comment
damascato Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Quadman said: I've had my holo may since March 31 and I have no PLL locking issues whatsoever, yes it is on. I use a custom built PC (built by me) and direct connect to the May via USB. Roon as my cataloging database and HQP as my roon output. Buffer set to auto in HQP. I never see any Locking issues on my display even when different base formats are sent to HQP from roon. I run HQP at native rates (same as roon sends to HQP), High PCM rates and high DSD rates. No issues. The Allo Digione must have very high jitter levels. May dac has been measured and found to be one of the very best ever measured. That’s because USB on the May doesn’t have that issue. Every other input does. Link to comment
GoldenOne Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 2 hours ago, damascato said: Hey guys, can someone explain to me how to get rid of the PLL locking delay? I find it very annoying because every time I play a new song from Roon that is a different sample rate , the May goes on “locking” for a few seconds so I miss the first 3/4 seconds of the new song. my source is an Allo Digione via SPDIF. is the only solution to disable the PLL? Won’t it compromise sound quality? Two solutions are to either use usb (likely the best option. May usb is superb) or turn off pll damascato 1 https://youtube.com/goldensound Roon -> HQPlayer -> SMS200 Ultra/SPS500 -> Holo Audio May (Wildism Edition) -> Holo Audio Serene (Wildism Edition) -> Benchmark AHB2 -> Hifiman Susvara Link to comment
jcn3 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 19 hours ago, damascato said: And no sound quality issues? The USB signal from the RPi is famous for not being great. But at the same time the Holo’s USB should be. you're thinking about the rpi3 which had a shared bus (usb and ethernet). the rpi4 fixed this issues and is considered a very good device. damascato 1 (1) holo audio red (hqp naa) > chord dave > luxman cl-38uc/mq-88uc > kef reference 1 (2) simaudio moon mind 2 > chord qutest > luxman sq-n150 > monitor audio gold gx100 Link to comment
philippe0 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 The May KTE is just amazing. I was listening to G Gloud in Bach 2 and 3 parts inventions, and something sounded wrong. I have had this cd forever and never noticed anything. Turns out Gould modded his Steinway piano and that’s why it doesn’t sound like the Steinways I hear at concerts. Amazing. damascato 1 Link to comment
semente Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 @GoldenOne your reviews are, unlike the large majority, really worth listening to. But is there a way to restrain/restrict your head movements? They induce a bit of nausea I'm affraid and don't make the viewing experience any more natural/realistic. "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
Popular Post GoldenOne Posted July 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2021 5 hours ago, semente said: @GoldenOne your reviews are, unlike the large majority, really worth listening to. But is there a way to restrain/restrict your head movements? They induce a bit of nausea I'm affraid and don't make the viewing experience any more natural/realistic. I try to keep them to a minimum but with products as large as the may its a little tricky unfortunately. Once I'm able to I'll be getting a new camera setup. Aim is to have a few different fixed angles to swap between. But atm all patreon etc income is going toward the analyzer. Once that's fully paid off etc next thing will be an improved camera setup. But for now there isn't much alternative unfortunately. But I do agree and get why people dislike it. Glad you're enjoying the videos! damascato and semente 2 https://youtube.com/goldensound Roon -> HQPlayer -> SMS200 Ultra/SPS500 -> Holo Audio May (Wildism Edition) -> Holo Audio Serene (Wildism Edition) -> Benchmark AHB2 -> Hifiman Susvara Link to comment
lpost Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I've had the May KTE/L3 since March, 2800 hours. Today I flipped the fuse and after 15 mins. flipped it back. They got it right from shop. It was clearly different, less coherent. Flipped back and normalcy resumed. FWIW, the gold end down is my preferred and the way it came. Link to comment
KenMoreira Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 On 7/5/2021 at 2:24 PM, GoldenOne said: I've had a spring 3 here for a week or so now. Its sounding wonderful. But it's definitely not a may. Its absolutely stellar for its price thoigh Got a review or impression? I have one on order. Link to comment
toddrhodes Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Well, @GoldenOne better be getting a commission because he sold another May KTE today. I currently have a DF Venus II and Ian Canada DDC. I am very happy with the overall sound, however I have a couple niggles: I get a "click" or glitch every so often on the i2S input. Doesn't happen on USB, and it's happened with multiple i2S sources. I've worked with Alvin to remedy but no dice. It's not necessarily a dealbreaker but it does create a bit of a distraction like... "is it gonna do it?" Takes me out of the experience, I'm sad to say. And then the whole NOS-but-not-NOS thing isn't a huge deal, but it is annoying, and I do use HQPlayer with a custom PC spec'd to do highend DSD and PCM filters. So, I decided to order a May KTE today. Not sure what the current lead times are looking like, but I can be patient, not a huge deal. I'm using a Pi4 with HQP NAA image, fiber optical Ethernet converters into my room and powering it with a LifePO4 battery PSU from Ian Canada. USB cable is a dual head model from Ghent. Overall I'm super excited, as May should complement my tastes and my other equipment really well. The real loser here is my vinyl setup. It will, once again, continue to collect dust, I'm afraid. Ryzen 3900x Roon Core PC -> Intel i9900k HQPlayer W10 machine -> iFi Zen Stream NAA Holo May KTE, Benchmark LA4 preamp SMC Audio upgraded DNA-125 Amp Dynaudio Confidence C2 Platinum speakers Vinyl rig - Schiit Sol, Nagaoka MP-500, Mod Squad PhonoDrive phono stage Link to comment
KenMoreira Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, toddrhodes said: Well, @GoldenOne better be getting a commission because he sold another May KTE today. I currently have a DF Venus II and Ian Canada DDC. I am very happy with the overall sound, however I have a couple niggles: I get a "click" or glitch every so often on the i2S input. Doesn't happen on USB, and it's happened with multiple i2S sources. I've worked with Alvin to remedy but no dice. It's not necessarily a dealbreaker but it does create a bit of a distraction like... "is it gonna do it?" Takes me out of the experience, I'm sad to say. And then the whole NOS-but-not-NOS thing isn't a huge deal, but it is annoying, and I do use HQPlayer with a custom PC spec'd to do highend DSD and PCM filters. So, I decided to order a May KTE today. Not sure what the current lead times are looking like, but I can be patient, not a huge deal. I'm using a Pi4 with HQP NAA image, fiber optical Ethernet converters into my room and powering it with a LifePO4 battery PSU from Ian Canada. USB cable is a dual head model from Ghent. Overall I'm super excited, as May should complement my tastes and my other equipment really well. The real loser here is my vinyl setup. It will, once again, continue to collect dust, I'm afraid. About 6 weeks lead time. And I spoke to Tim about using a pi and he said don't bother, I wouldn't. Which is no surprise. The PLL in their dacs is better then the ones in most streamers lol Link to comment
toddrhodes Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, KenMoreira said: About 6 weeks lead time. And I spoke to Tim about using a pi and he said don't bother, I wouldn't. Which is no surprise. The PLL in their dacs is better then the ones in most streamers lol Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but why wouldn't I use a Pi4? Is he suggesting to just connect directly from a PC to May? That's not necessarily possible in my case. I could make it work, but having a Pi as an HQP NAA makes way more sense. damascato 1 Ryzen 3900x Roon Core PC -> Intel i9900k HQPlayer W10 machine -> iFi Zen Stream NAA Holo May KTE, Benchmark LA4 preamp SMC Audio upgraded DNA-125 Amp Dynaudio Confidence C2 Platinum speakers Vinyl rig - Schiit Sol, Nagaoka MP-500, Mod Squad PhonoDrive phono stage Link to comment
damascato Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, KenMoreira said: About 6 weeks lead time. And I spoke to Tim about using a pi and he said don't bother, I wouldn't. Which is no surprise. The PLL in their dacs is better then the ones in most streamers lol So what was suggested to transport music to it? Link to comment
KenMoreira Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Ok so, basically he's not saying that don't do it. But keep in mind, you'll almost surely not be able to upsample to the dac max. When I asked if I should still use my allo usbridge signature with allo shanti lps. "I wouldn't, the PLL in the new line of usb inputs is superior on our devices" So if you have your pc in a different room I don't think it would significantly hurt you, I understand it's far more convenient. It just might limit some aspects. Definitely A/B if possible? I plan to. Link to comment
toddrhodes Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Interesting. I can upsample to DSD512 and PCM1.5 (is that fs32?) on my Venus II via direct output of Pi4 --> USB --> Venus II, using the HQP NAA image. So I know the Pi is capable of outputting it, at least. How the May reconciles/allows that from its end, I can't say. I CAN put the PC next to it. It's just, well, loud :) And my concern there is that nothing has been done in that PC to make it electrically quiet and it's a bit too muscular (CPU, GPU, Fans) for an LPSU to work with it. Very interesting, either way. Thanks! Ryzen 3900x Roon Core PC -> Intel i9900k HQPlayer W10 machine -> iFi Zen Stream NAA Holo May KTE, Benchmark LA4 preamp SMC Audio upgraded DNA-125 Amp Dynaudio Confidence C2 Platinum speakers Vinyl rig - Schiit Sol, Nagaoka MP-500, Mod Squad PhonoDrive phono stage Link to comment
damascato Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, KenMoreira said: Ok so, basically he's not saying that don't do it. But keep in mind, you'll almost surely not be able to upsample to the dac max. When I asked if I should still use my allo usbridge signature with allo shanti lps. "I wouldn't, the PLL in the new line of usb inputs is superior on our devices" So if you have your pc in a different room I don't think it would significantly hurt you, I understand it's far more convenient. It just might limit some aspects. Definitely A/B if possible? I plan to. The great advantage using the USB is that the PLL locking delay would be avoided (and for me it's been a bit annoying when sample rate changed). I had confirmation from multiple sources about how great is the USB implementation on the May, so I might as well try it straight from a Pi USB. Link to comment
BrownMagic Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 24 minutes ago, KenMoreira said: I wouldn't, the PLL in the new line of usb inputs is superior on our devices What does he mean by new line of usb inputs? The May has diff versions of USB inputs? Link to comment
Blake Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 I think he is most likely talking about the Titanis 2.0 usb module that is used in the May Level 2 and May KTE, and the new Spring 3 KTE. KenMoreira 1 Speaker Room: Lumin U1X | Lampizator Pacific 2 | Viva Linea | Constellation Inspiration Stereo 1.0 | FinkTeam Kim | Revel subs Office Headphone System: Lumin U1X | Lampizator Golden Gate 3 | Viva Egoista | Abyss AB1266 Phi TC Link to comment
KenMoreira Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 1 hour ago, toddrhodes said: Interesting. I can upsample to DSD512 and PCM1.5 (is that fs32?) on my Venus II via direct output of Pi4 --> USB --> Venus II, using the HQP NAA image. So I know the Pi is capable of outputting it, at least. How the May reconciles/allows that from its end, I can't say. I CAN put the PC next to it. It's just, well, loud :) And my concern there is that nothing has been done in that PC to make it electrically quiet and it's a bit too muscular (CPU, GPU, Fans) for an LPSU to work with it. Very interesting, either way. Thanks! I'll try my allo when my dac arrives n see how it goes for me toddrhodes 1 Link to comment
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