lpost Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Phase invert appears to only be in the desktop version not Embedded. Link to comment
GoldenOne Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Out of curiosity, has anyone tried getting 1.536mhz working from the USB C port on their 2000/3000 series Nvidia GPU? Not sure what controller they're using but given as it was made explicitly for very demanding VR use I wouldn't be surprised if that worked Diavolo 1 https://youtube.com/goldensound Roon -> HQPlayer -> SMS200 Ultra/SPS500 -> Holo Audio May (Wildism Edition) -> Holo Audio Serene (Wildism Edition) -> Benchmark AHB2 -> Hifiman Susvara Link to comment
Miska Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 4 hours ago, GoldenOne said: Out of curiosity, has anyone tried getting 1.536mhz working from the USB C port on their 2000/3000 series Nvidia GPU? Not sure what controller they're using but given as it was made explicitly for very demanding VR use I wouldn't be surprised if that worked It is likely Nvidia's own IP block. But in this case it doesn't matter if it's for demanding VR use. It all boils down to implementation details. And I think Nvidia card's Type-C port doesn't support USB at all. Note that "USB Type-C" has Alternate Mode capability and the same physical port can switch between between USB, DisplayPort, Thunderbolt, HDMI, etc functionality. Where the actual signaling is totally different while using the same physical connector. A bit like we now see HDMI for display connectivity and same connector and cabling hardware used for I2S while the two are totally different (just lacking Type-C's capability to negotiate which configuration to use). So it is really case-by-case if it's going to work or not. There's no simple way to tell without testing. Diavolo 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
GoldenOne Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 19 hours ago, Miska said: It is likely Nvidia's own IP block. But in this case it doesn't matter if it's for demanding VR use. It all boils down to implementation details. And I think Nvidia card's Type-C port doesn't support USB at all. Note that "USB Type-C" has Alternate Mode capability and the same physical port can switch between between USB, DisplayPort, Thunderbolt, HDMI, etc functionality. Where the actual signaling is totally different while using the same physical connector. A bit like we now see HDMI for display connectivity and same connector and cabling hardware used for I2S while the two are totally different (just lacking Type-C's capability to negotiate which configuration to use). So it is really case-by-case if it's going to work or not. There's no simple way to tell without testing. Just gave it a go, it does work for USB and I can run my DAC from it, but unfortunately doesn't work with 1.536mhz :( Oh well, was worth a shot Diavolo 1 https://youtube.com/goldensound Roon -> HQPlayer -> SMS200 Ultra/SPS500 -> Holo Audio May (Wildism Edition) -> Holo Audio Serene (Wildism Edition) -> Benchmark AHB2 -> Hifiman Susvara Link to comment
ThenewGearPPK Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 10:36 PM, Extreme_Boky said: . The interconnects and speaker cables are pure annealed silver ribbons and the silver alloy ribbons – respectively. I also use solid core power cables exclusively, a combination of pure copper, pure silver or a combination of copper – silver plated and then gold plated….This is my fine-tuning approach to achieve the most natural sound. The speakers are Dynaudio. The USB cable is Audioquest Coffee (I think it’s Coffee...). What's the name of those cables? Diavolo 1 Link to comment
oneguy Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 I DIY'ed my own solid core 8AWG magnet wire power cables with rhodium plugs. I think solid core is the way to go. The best power cables I have heard so far. The biggest pain though is getting rid of the thin but really durable enamel on the wire. So far I've only done my DAC and headphone amp but I bought a 200ft spool to do more. Diavolo 1 Link to comment
Toni-Mang Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 I have the May since Jan. and feed it with a DI20HE and the PS Audio PWT (both I2S). The DI20HE sounds better imho than the USB direct input, the soundstage of the DI is slightly deeper in comparison. I also prefer the coffee USB against solid silver (i.e. Nimak black). PLL is always on, soundstage width and depths is more neat. The burn in process should not be underrated in my opinion and logging with the DI takes a few seconds when sample format is changed, the direct USB input is way faster. I came from an Audio GD R8 and the May is completely different game… Diavolo 1 Papas Gear... Link to comment
Diavolo Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 9:46 PM, Mops911 said: I am sorry too looking at your speakers....pure horror....:-D Just an opinion relax You don't own them, you've never heard them, your opionion is pretty devoid of relevance. I actually own hqplayer and it sounds no different audibly to not using it at all. Meanwhile, Tekton Design has rave reviews by thousands of owners and a 3 month wait list. Link to comment
ted_b Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 I have a very dear friend who reviews (and now owns) the Ulfberhts, and they are magnificent. Eric's design of those dome arrays is pure genius. Now....to get you hearing HQplayer correctly. :) Diavolo 1 "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
Popular Post scintilla Posted March 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2021 In a thread where people have admitted to owning hand-made USB cables and power cords that retail for thousands, whether or not one outlier is unhappy with his measly $400 purchase of HQPlayer and whether he continues to be a dick about it it is completely not worth your time. Grant him the freedom to be a miserable fuck and let everyone know about it. It is his "Internets right" after all. Maybe he should even get his own thread and a special title: "HQPHater in Chief" on his profile. Don't hate the game, hate the playa. Mops911, Diavolo, shalu and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Diavolo Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, ted_b said: I have a very dear friend who reviews (and now owns) the Ulfberhts, and they are magnificent. Eric's design of those dome arrays is pure genius. Now....to get you hearing HQplayer correctly. :) Thanks for the kind comments regarding the Tektons, they are a tremendous value and sound amazing even if they aren't the best looking speaker made today. Hey, I may simply not have the ears for hqplayer. I will apologize for my earlier tact-less comments and simply state that as the likely issue. I do prefer PCM 1.536MHZ more than DSD128 with the polysinc ext filters and the EC modulators. Even at DSD256 using a 3rd computer I'm not able to discern a preference over PCM I'll listen to the May KTE at 16/44.1k and feel like it's pretty much identical to 1.536mhz with NS9/LS15 dither and various filters combinations. It's that's good NOS, to me. To anyone offended by my krass comments, I apologize. Nothing is so black and white. Link to comment
MichaelHiFi Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Diavolo said: You don't own them, you've never heard them, your opionion is pretty devoid of relevance. I actually own hqplayer and it sounds no different audibly to not using it at all. Meanwhile, Tekton Design has rave reviews by thousands of owners and a 3 month wait list. You mean I'll need to wait 3 months for the Ulfberhts? Damn, better get my order in. Still haven't decided color and whether I should add the single Beryllium tweeter. To stay on topic we have this feeling the May with all its capabilities, the Kinki, and the Tektons in a dedicated room could be something very special. Diavolo 1 Link to comment
Diavolo Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, MichaelHiFi said: You mean I'll need to wait 3 months for the Ulfberhts? Damn, better get my order in. Still haven't decided color and whether I should add the single Beryllium tweeter. To stay on topic we have this feeling the May with all its capabilities, the Kinki, and the Tektons in a dedicated room could be something very special. I agree, should be a great combo. (As an aside, regarding Be Tweeters, the factory that makes them is moving right now adding delays to speakers requesting the Be Upgrade into the summer months, it's notated on his website when you select BE upgrade from the drop down menu.) Link to comment
MichaelHiFi Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Feels like everything I wish to buy in the audio world, is or has been on back order, wish is OK. I like to see performance audio in a renaissance even if it seems to me, music isn't. Wife tells me to get those Tekton's ordered! Yes Ma'am ;) Hope they'll take a deposit... Diavolo 1 Link to comment
Diavolo Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 16 hours ago, scintilla said: In a thread where people have admitted to owning hand-made USB cables and power cords that retail for thousands, whether or not one outlier is unhappy with his measly $400 purchase of HQPlayer and whether he continues to be a dick about it it is completely not worth your time. Grant him the freedom to be a miserable fuck and let everyone know about it. It is his "Internets right" after all. Maybe he should even get his own thread and a special title: "HQPHater in Chief" on his profile. Don't hate the game, hate the playa. I'm not unhappy, I just don't hear any differences between 44.1 and 1.536mhz, but do between DSD and PCM. I just prefer NOS PCM. My tactless comments weren't warranted and weren't directed at anyone except the programs creator and then only after his need to belabor points at odds with statements Tim and the dac's own marketing literature alluded to. His need to "put me in my place" was met with my honest feelings about his software in retaliation, which I paid for so I could give it an very honest evaluation. It was childish, I'll admit, and again I apologize for this. pavi 1 Link to comment
mrkoven Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Heads up on a great deal if you're looking for KTE May! https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lisa9dde-holo-audio-may-da-converters Downtheline 1 Link to comment
Miska Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 On 3/26/2021 at 3:23 PM, lpost said: Phase invert appears to only be in the desktop version not Embedded. It is on both... Both have the same engine and can be controlled through the same controllers (clients). Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Quadman Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Hey is anyone with this dac having issues playing DSD output with HQplayer? I am Today I built my new 10700K server, fresh install of windows 10 pro, HQP 4.10.3 and roon. I have not installed AO or fidelizer as yet. In connected output devices in roon the only one I have enabled is HQplayer. So there is no conflict with another ASIO device via roon. I set up HQplayer to output DSD512 (I have used hqp since 2015), the hqp player screen shows DSD filters and output rate that I set up. As soon as I hit play in roon, HQP switched to PCM output. The settings dialog in HQP shows SDM as the selected output despite PCM actually being output. The filter listing on HQP main player page has switched to the PCM settings in the settings dialog. This happened ever since I got the holo dac, although I can stream DSD using roon only to upsample redbook files, so I know it can play DSD. So frustrating. Any ideas appreciated Link to comment
Diavolo Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, Quadman said: Hey is anyone with this dac having issues playing DSD output with HQplayer? I am Today I built my new 10700K server, fresh install of windows 10 pro, HQP 4.10.3 and roon. I have not installed AO or fidelizer as yet. In connected output devices in roon the only one I have enabled is HQplayer. So there is no conflict with another ASIO device via roon. I set up HQplayer to output DSD512 (I have used hqp since 2015), the hqp player screen shows DSD filters and output rate that I set up. As soon as I hit play in roon, HQP switched to PCM output. The settings dialog in HQP shows SDM as the selected output despite PCM actually being output. The filter listing on HQP main player page has switched to the PCM settings in the settings dialog. This happened ever since I got the holo dac, although I can stream DSD using roon only to upsample redbook files, so I know it can play DSD. So frustrating. Any ideas appreciated I only ran into this exact issue because I forgot to disable the Holo May ASIO device in Roon, but based on what you said you have nothing else enabled. Is 48k checked on top in DSD settings and Adaptive Output Rate unchecked on the bottom? (not that these matter necessarily, but those settings at least worked for me). Link to comment
Quadman Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 55 minutes ago, Diavolo said: I only ran into this exact issue because I forgot to disable the Holo May ASIO device in Roon, but based on what you said you have nothing else enabled. Is 48k checked on top in DSD settings and Adaptive Output Rate unchecked on the bottom? The only enabled device is HQplayer. Holo waspi and asio are not enabled. Jussi mentioned to do this, as I had the issue yesterday on a older windows 10 pro version (1909). I figured fresh install of everything would solve this, nope. 48K is checked as is adaptive rate as I don't want to up sample all 44.1 rates to 48 based rates. I never had an issue with my T+A and its non-theyscon driver. Yet yesterday with 1909 windows I output DSD512 via roon with holo asio enabled. Link to comment
GoldenOne Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Quadman said: The only enabled device is HQplayer. Holo waspi and asio are not enabled. Jussi mentioned to do this, as I had the issue yesterday on a older windows 10 pro version (1909). I figured fresh install of everything would solve this, nope. 48K is checked as is adaptive rate as I don't want to up sample all 44.1 rates to 48 based rates. I never had an issue with my T+A and its non-theyscon driver. Yet yesterday with 1909 windows I output DSD512 via roon with holo asio enabled. Could you send a screenshot of your hqplayer settings? https://youtube.com/goldensound Roon -> HQPlayer -> SMS200 Ultra/SPS500 -> Holo Audio May (Wildism Edition) -> Holo Audio Serene (Wildism Edition) -> Benchmark AHB2 -> Hifiman Susvara Link to comment
Quadman Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 I just solved it. Yes, no other outputs or sources were enabled in Roon. I just clicked on device in HQP settings and sure enough there was a realtek ASIO driver listed as well as the holo asio. Windows must have installed this. So I deleted it and now, as it should, I can play DSD through HQP to the holo. Dang those theyscon drivers are really really fussy. Diavolo 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Quadman Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 Today marks one week with my L2 Holo May, I bought used so it is already broken in. My reference dac up to the May had been a T+A dac8DSD and with that I used HQPlayer 4, Audiophile Optimizer 3, Fildeizer pro 8.7, and win server 2019. I up sampled all streams (Roon HDD, Tidal or Qobuz) to DSD512. My current favorite filter is minringFIR-LP (the HQP android app, really makes testing filters very easy and shockingly this one became my favorite, I was a Sinc-s guy) For Dither I usually used DSDv2 or ASDM7. My old ryzen 7 1800x with 1060GPU did not have the horsepower to do DSD256 with 7EC filters, even 5EC caused dropouts most times. I stuck with DSD512 as I still felt it sounded better. I seriously listen to my system 90-100 hours per month, I know it well. At first I had issues with HQP, the Holo driver and winserv19. HQP would no longer open, ugh So I was forced to listen to Qobuz's web player streaming native NOS into the Holo. I was shocked, I mean shocked at how good this dac sounded with a straight NOS stream into the Holo with NOS selected. I thought I could live with this as it is and be very happy. After a couple of days in PC hell, I got the May and Holo driver and HQP to play nice and I could finally listen to this dac the way I was used to with my T+A. And I have to quote Herb here with the holo getting a DSD512 stream from roon/HQP minringFIR LP "Music "sounded more fundamentally right than any digital reproduction I have experienced in my system" (or any system for that matter). This May was clearly a step up from the T+A, which I had thought was audio Nirvana at DSD512. Everything and I mean everything was different with the May. What got me first on music I knew well was the percussion (not drums) from the back of the stage which always had a nice, transparent and very present sound with the T+A, with the HOLO suddenly individual instruments and their tones were very distinguishable I was hearing much more of what was going on. The space around them and the feeling of several people doing percussion was greater than with the T+A. Then drums, wow, the Holo really added some weight, air and body to those and I had thought the T+A was already excellent here. In general the sound stage was slightly bigger than the T+A but the individual performers were more clearly delineated with more palpable presence and greater transparency. The bass was better defined with great weight and the pace and drive of the music seemed a touch faster than the T+A. Together this was by far the most musically and emotionally involving music I had ever heard in my system. I didn't want to turn it off and listened to 4:30 am that first night (8 1/2 hour session). And since that night I have listened every day. I wake up, I want to listen to it, I can't stop thinking about. Like a new lover when the passion and newness is so strong you can't get away from each other. Maybe someday I will settle and go a day without hearing this marvelous dac. Right now I am addicted and need my fix every day. That is the greatest compliment I can give any component. Its ability to so involve us in the music that we forgo sleep, food and other necessities just to hear more. Hello my name is quadman and I am a aupiophile'holic, LOL. For those of you on the fence and don't want to spend $10K plus on maybe an even better dac get this one. You won't be sorry. Diavolo, ted_b, kimgg and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment
ted_b Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Quadman, now that you have the May where you want it, have you tried comparing taking PCM to DSD512 versus taking PCM to very high PCM (like 1532k)? If so, what is different (or lacking) that you hear better in DSD512? BTW, "dither" is a PCM term; your ASDM7 or DSDv2 are modulators. 🙂 "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
Popular Post Quadman Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 23 minutes ago, ted_b said: have you tried comparing taking PCM to DSD512 versus taking PCM to very high PCM (like 1532k)? If so, what is different (or lacking) that you hear better in DSD512? BTW, "dither" is a PCM term; your ASDM7 or DSDv2 are modulators. With the new i7-10700K server I built last week my options in HQP now are almost endless, so many new toys to play with. Yes I have listened to PCM streams from my HDD and Tidal and Qobuz with HQP set to either 1.4Mhz or 1.536 Mhz, I keep auto rate family engaged (sinc-L filter, LNS15 dither (thank you)). To be honest everything I hear through the Holo is excellent and I like it. But PCM 1.4 and 1.5Mhz ultimately seem a little more 2D'ish, flatter than the holographic 3D stage of DSD512 or DSD256 w EC7. 1.4 or 1.5Mhz may seem to be a little more defined on the leading edges of transients and perhaps appear to have a touch more high frequency content, but when I switch back to DSD 256 EC7 or 512 I relax a bit more and just get drawn into that holographic, so transparent and 3D stage. I don't like quick A/B between formats (PCM/DSD), I prefer longer listening sessions, where you get a better sense of how the music affects you, draws you in. PCM 1.4 or 1.5 certainly sounds excellent, but in extended session its DSD where my heart lies. I still have a lot of options to try thou. fds, ted_b, MichaelHiFi and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment
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