marce Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 56 minutes ago, Richard Dale said: I’m assuming the bi-peds screwed up and therefore don’t really deserve a reprise. In the grand scheme of things I don’t think nature cares about who ate who. Octopus intelligence has evolved along completely different lines from humans and it seems only fair they should be given a shot to evolve their equivalent of language and writing systems (squid ink based?) and whatnot. Who need ink when your body is a monitor... Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Octopi might have a shot. you are never going to get an advanced civilization going without the ability to manipulate objects - ask a dolphin if you don't believe me. Link to comment
Richard Dale Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: Octopi might have a shot. you are never going to get an advanced civilization going without the ability to manipulate objects - ask a dolphin if you don't believe me. Yes, with eight arms with suction cups and each with its own distributed intelligence, it beats dolphin fins. System (i): Stack Audio Link > 2Qute+MCRU psu; Gyrodec/SME V/Hana SL/EAT E-Glo Petit/Magnum Dynalab FT101A) > PrimaLuna Evo 100 amp > Klipsch RP-600M/REL T5x subs System (ii): Allo USB Signature > Bel Canto uLink+AQVOX psu > Chord Hugo > APPJ EL34 > Tandy LX5/REL Tzero v3 subs System (iii) KEF LS50W/KEF R400b subs Link to comment
Richard Dale Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, marce said: Who need ink when your body is a monitor... Indeed octopi haz pixels, good point! marce 1 System (i): Stack Audio Link > 2Qute+MCRU psu; Gyrodec/SME V/Hana SL/EAT E-Glo Petit/Magnum Dynalab FT101A) > PrimaLuna Evo 100 amp > Klipsch RP-600M/REL T5x subs System (ii): Allo USB Signature > Bel Canto uLink+AQVOX psu > Chord Hugo > APPJ EL34 > Tandy LX5/REL Tzero v3 subs System (iii) KEF LS50W/KEF R400b subs Link to comment
Popular Post esldude Posted January 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, Solstice380 said: Okay, we agree to disagree on this one. 🙂 Can a reviewer truly determine the value of something for you? i don't think you really mean it that way do you? You seem an independent sort who proves things to themselves. Your posts may just read that way. Didn't disagree with the value statement. I disagreed with the idea no one can measure the magnitude of differences. With the idea one can only review functionality and whether or not it hurts their ears. One can do much more than that without trying to value something for other people. lucretius, Solstice380, semente and 1 other 2 2 And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
esldude Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: Octopi might have a shot. you are never going to get an advanced civilization going without the ability to manipulate objects - ask a dolphin if you don't believe me. Maybe with a few more crisper experiments we could give dolphins arms. Wonder if China would jail someone for doing that? And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Richard Dale Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, esldude said: Maybe with a few more crisper experiments we could give dolphins arms. Wonder if China would jail someone for doing that? They need their fins to swim. System (i): Stack Audio Link > 2Qute+MCRU psu; Gyrodec/SME V/Hana SL/EAT E-Glo Petit/Magnum Dynalab FT101A) > PrimaLuna Evo 100 amp > Klipsch RP-600M/REL T5x subs System (ii): Allo USB Signature > Bel Canto uLink+AQVOX psu > Chord Hugo > APPJ EL34 > Tandy LX5/REL Tzero v3 subs System (iii) KEF LS50W/KEF R400b subs Link to comment
pkane2001 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Richard Dale said: They need their fins to swim. May as well give them legs, too. -Paul DeltaWave, DISTORT, Earful, PKHarmonic, new: Multitone Analyzer Link to comment
Richard Dale Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, pkane2001 said: May as well give them legs, too. OK, lets not start with dolphins then. System (i): Stack Audio Link > 2Qute+MCRU psu; Gyrodec/SME V/Hana SL/EAT E-Glo Petit/Magnum Dynalab FT101A) > PrimaLuna Evo 100 amp > Klipsch RP-600M/REL T5x subs System (ii): Allo USB Signature > Bel Canto uLink+AQVOX psu > Chord Hugo > APPJ EL34 > Tandy LX5/REL Tzero v3 subs System (iii) KEF LS50W/KEF R400b subs Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 dolphins have limited manipulation ability using their beak (so do parrots) but dolphins would make great audiophiles - not only the HF hearing but they can also emit sound loud enough to stun fish now, imagine a fish-y audiophool sales person, and a dolphin walks into the store... esldude 1 Link to comment
fas42 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 4 hours ago, semente said: I've wasted too much money in this hobby, partly thanks to subjective magazine reviews, hype and shilling. And I'm not a flavour-of-the-month kind of guy who swaps gear because he has an itch, nor have an interest for cables. I genuinely try to identify the problems and the causes, and to upgrade. I was happy with my homeland system but a move abroad forced me to sell my speakers and rip my CDs. I am a wanderer now, 3 different homes in 5 years. I've since bought three pairs of used speakers, two used DACs and two new Pi DACs. I've had to downsize the speakers but have been struggling to live with that. Now the time as come to stop buying stuff... The only things that matters to me are the CDs ... they are the treasures in all this, because they hold what makes the magic. The fancy TV is a throwaway ... what counts is the quality of what the programs "are saying" ; the TV "just disappears" if it's doing its job well enough. The first half dozen CDs I bought decades are just as significant now, as the last half dozen I acquired - like all things that are truly meaningful, they can only shine more strongly if what is used to experience them improves ... Link to comment
esldude Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Richard Dale said: They need their fins to swim. They could have both. Fins and arms/hands. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 "Well you start off with fins, then start scudding around on them in mud pools and pretty soon y a got arms & hands" - Iggy Ichthyostega esldude 1 Link to comment
lucretius Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, esldude said: They could have both. Fins and arms/hands. They'll need opposable thumbs. mQa is dead! Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 best thing is to just mind meld with a monkey and get it to act like your robot butler - this has worked well for Golden Retrievers Link to comment
Popular Post gmgraves Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 hours ago, semente said: Not at all, thanks for the suggestion. I have actually bought a pair of NADs before Christmas, but I never enjoyed listening with headphones and these aren't going to change that. May end up buying a pair of all-in-ones like the D&Ds or something similar. looks to me like you need to try some really GOOD headphones. Try the modestly priced HiFiMan Jade2 electrostatics, or, if you have the cash, a pair of Stax SR-009s and the SRM-007TII amplifier. Either one as well as a good pair of magnetic phones such as the Sennheiser HD-800s, or the HiFiMan Arya will likely change your mind. Keep in mind that if you opt for a pair of magnetic headphones instead of electrostatics, you’re going to have to spring for a really good headphone amplifier or you are wasting your money. Something like the Headamp brand or one of Schiit’s headphone amps. Plugging into an amplifier’s or a DAC’s headphone jack usually just won’t do (there are a few exceptions - Benchmark’s DAC3 headphone amp is excellent as is the headphone amp in the Hugo2 DAC from Chord. I’m sure there are others. sandyk and semente 1 1 George Link to comment
Allan F Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 14 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said: As long as we're getting all philosophical, the universe doesn't have a particular need for humanity. Let us not forget the words of Peanuts character Linus Van Pelt who observed, "I love mankind...It's people I can't stand". fas42 1 "Relax, it's only hi-fi. There's never been a hi-fi emergency." - Roy Hall "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." - William Bruce Cameron Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, Allan F said: Let us not forget the words of Peanuts character Linus Van Pelt who observed, "I love mankind...It's people I can't stand". He was an amazing pianist as well. Samuel T Cogley and esldude 2 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
esldude Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Ralf11 said: best thing is to just mind meld with a monkey and get it to act like your robot butler - this has worked well for Golden Retrievers And more so for cats. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 3:10 AM, Allan F said: What is most frequently met with discord, if not resentment, is the hijacking of threads intended to share subjective experiences by objectivists who demand scientific proof or measurements to justify the opinions expressed. A most obvious example are threads such as those sharing experiences with different cables and their effect on sound quality. Repeatedly insisting that cables cannot sound different contributes nothing to the discussion to those who hear such differences, and for whom the topic is intended.. Moreover, one should not conflate science and engineering. While the laws of physics may be known, the application of those laws to practical solutions is quite another matter, and innovation often makes possible that which previously had been generally believed not to be possible. If the subject of a thread is something like "which cable should I buy" or "which cable do you prefer" - I don't see much reason to go there and tell the person the cables can't make a difference. It's highly likely the person is aware of the basic disagreement, and has already decided that he thinks cables do make a difference. A more constructive approach would be to help him set up a comparison that isn't sighted, so that maybe he will make a reasonably accurate decision about what he heard. Or point him to a manufacturer that makes good quality cables that don't cost an arm and a leg. In the end, almost none of us can do proper double blind testing at home, so we can just compare the best we can and live with the results. No one needs to be "saved from themselves" in audio. If, on the other hand, an OP asks a more open question about cables, no reason not to post an objectivist response that they can't make a difference. But even here, no reason to turn such a thread into another long debate about the issue. Confused and Allan F 2 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
firedog Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 12 hours ago, semente said: May end up buying a pair of all-in-ones like the D&Ds or something similar. Yes, would seem to be a very good solution for someone like you. Move, and take your system with you, without too much hassle. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
firedog Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 10 hours ago, Solstice380 said: Who actually believes that they can decide the perfect component to purchase form reviews??? OK, if a lot of negatives then you may have something to "not" go for. There is no way that another person's impression, whose tastes you really don't know, should influence you. I'm not that easily lead. Problem is that there is no way short of a long car / plane trip to audition equipment. Not to mention if it is only sold on the web. That's a conundrum. I think reviews can be helpful. I prefer reviews where they compare components and describe how they differ (or don't). But, many reviewers don't agree with making comparisons in reviews. If I have read the reviewer enough to know his/her taste, or if I know one of the components in question, the review can help me build a list of components I am or am not interested in. I also wouldn't buy stuff just on the basis of reviews - unless the cost is something I don't think is significant, or unless I'm looking more for a set of features and less about "perfect sound". Sometimes certain features mean more to me than some very small difference in SQ that I probably won't notice in everyday listening. Solstice380 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
firedog Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 10 hours ago, esldude said: Which is why good reviews tend to avoid that. You would need to touch upon it at some point in regards to cost vs performance although one can do a good review leaving even that out. There are $500 DACs which measure extremely well- basically state of the art - and $12000 DACs which measure slightly better, although marginally so. Some people will conclude that this means there is no reason to buy any DAC other than the $500 dollar one. Ohters will want to get that last bit of extreme performance. I'd bet for both camps the amount of disposable income plays a large part in that decision. I'm not convinced all DACs that measure above a certain threshold sound the same, but clearly there is a curve of diminishing returns in audio - and a steep one. But where along that curve of diminishing returns I want to get off the curve is a very different question. Solstice380 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
esldude Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 5 hours ago, firedog said: There are $500 DACs which measure extremely well- basically state of the art - and $12000 DACs which measure slightly better, although marginally so. Some people will conclude that this means there is no reason to buy any DAC other than the $500 dollar one. Ohters will want to get that last bit of extreme performance. I'd bet for both camps the amount of disposable income plays a large part in that decision. I'm not convinced all DACs that measure above a certain threshold sound the same, but clearly there is a curve of diminishing returns in audio - and a steep one. But where along that curve of diminishing returns I want to get off the curve is a very different question. Pretty much at some threshold of fidelity all DACs that measure above the threshold will sound the same. Where the threshold is might need work or not. I think this is a problem for many audiophiles. They just can't believe there becomes a point where everything sounds the same as everything else meeting some given performance spec. But it will.......or it has. There are many reasons to buy this DAC vs another beyond sound quality. Just don't get confused about why you are choosing one. Ralf11 1 And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
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