Popular Post firedog Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 3:10 AM, Allan F said: What is most frequently met with discord, if not resentment, is the hijacking of threads intended to share subjective experiences by objectivists who demand scientific proof or measurements to justify the opinions expressed. A most obvious example are threads such as those sharing experiences with different cables and their effect on sound quality. Repeatedly insisting that cables cannot sound different contributes nothing to the discussion to those who hear such differences, and for whom the topic is intended.. Moreover, one should not conflate science and engineering. While the laws of physics may be known, the application of those laws to practical solutions is quite another matter, and innovation often makes possible that which previously had been generally believed not to be possible. If the subject of a thread is something like "which cable should I buy" or "which cable do you prefer" - I don't see much reason to go there and tell the person the cables can't make a difference. It's highly likely the person is aware of the basic disagreement, and has already decided that he thinks cables do make a difference. A more constructive approach would be to help him set up a comparison that isn't sighted, so that maybe he will make a reasonably accurate decision about what he heard. Or point him to a manufacturer that makes good quality cables that don't cost an arm and a leg. In the end, almost none of us can do proper double blind testing at home, so we can just compare the best we can and live with the results. No one needs to be "saved from themselves" in audio. If, on the other hand, an OP asks a more open question about cables, no reason not to post an objectivist response that they can't make a difference. But even here, no reason to turn such a thread into another long debate about the issue. Allan F and Confused 2 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
firedog Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 12 hours ago, semente said: May end up buying a pair of all-in-ones like the D&Ds or something similar. Yes, would seem to be a very good solution for someone like you. Move, and take your system with you, without too much hassle. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
firedog Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 10 hours ago, Solstice380 said: Who actually believes that they can decide the perfect component to purchase form reviews??? OK, if a lot of negatives then you may have something to "not" go for. There is no way that another person's impression, whose tastes you really don't know, should influence you. I'm not that easily lead. Problem is that there is no way short of a long car / plane trip to audition equipment. Not to mention if it is only sold on the web. That's a conundrum. I think reviews can be helpful. I prefer reviews where they compare components and describe how they differ (or don't). But, many reviewers don't agree with making comparisons in reviews. If I have read the reviewer enough to know his/her taste, or if I know one of the components in question, the review can help me build a list of components I am or am not interested in. I also wouldn't buy stuff just on the basis of reviews - unless the cost is something I don't think is significant, or unless I'm looking more for a set of features and less about "perfect sound". Sometimes certain features mean more to me than some very small difference in SQ that I probably won't notice in everyday listening. Solstice380 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
firedog Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 10 hours ago, esldude said: Which is why good reviews tend to avoid that. You would need to touch upon it at some point in regards to cost vs performance although one can do a good review leaving even that out. There are $500 DACs which measure extremely well- basically state of the art - and $12000 DACs which measure slightly better, although marginally so. Some people will conclude that this means there is no reason to buy any DAC other than the $500 dollar one. Ohters will want to get that last bit of extreme performance. I'd bet for both camps the amount of disposable income plays a large part in that decision. I'm not convinced all DACs that measure above a certain threshold sound the same, but clearly there is a curve of diminishing returns in audio - and a steep one. But where along that curve of diminishing returns I want to get off the curve is a very different question. Solstice380 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
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