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5 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

There is no current proposal to sanitize the site. 

 

The end result of any decisive action is going to be attempts at razing the forum.  Unless you unite it.  

 

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BTW, some forum software allows replacement of prohibited words with &*&*(*& etc.

 

I am thinking of the apparent prohibition of the Fword but allowing bull 'pucky' in the last day or two

 

 

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34 minutes ago, sandyk said:

 Hi S.T.

 You can always take that to friendly PMs as we have done on several occasions, where we often came to a degree of consensus

 

Regards

Alex

I have started a few days ago, taking my own longer than one or two digressions off to PM..   That is a good idea...

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21 minutes ago, mansr said:

Lately, however, I have sensed a crackdown on science and reason when this rubs someone the wrong way

 

 IIRC, Chris recently remarked that there hadn't been attacks on Science as such, and that he wouldn't tolerate it.

 

 What is at question here is whether currently accepted Scientific information is completely up to date , or is more research needed in certain areas.


How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file.

 

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I know we’ve been down this road in the past, but perhaps adding moderators to hide comments that are clearly in violation of forum rules and clearly against the spirit of discussion in a specific thread, is necessary. 
 

If posts that add nothing and will likely lead to endless arguments are hidden, we may avoid more aggressive methods. 
 

 


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3 minutes ago, photonman said:

Set the rules and enforce them with your proposed item 9.  I would avoid too many rules that require granular management by yourself or your designees.  Everyone here knows how to conduct themselves and should not need too many do's and do-not's.  To help manage the site can you assign additional forum moderators (after an exhaustive selection process of course) perhaps from different world time zones so the site has good 7/24 moderator coverage so you don't wake up to site crisis.

Wow, what timing. 


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5 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I know we’ve been down this road in the past, but perhaps adding moderators to hide comments that are clearly in violation of forum rules and clearly against the spirit of discussion in a specific thread, is necessary. 
 

If posts that add nothing and will likely lead to endless arguments are hidden, we may avoid more aggressive methods. 
 

 

 

However, the posts should not simply disappear, and the Forum Rules should clearly state that the decision of the Moderator is final and non debatable, and will lead to a formal warning if done so.


How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file.

 

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5 hours ago, sandyk said:
5 hours ago, mansr said:

"Rajiv's massive thread" begs to differ.

 Yes, as does the MQA thread for all intents and purposes

 

Personally I see these kind of vendetta-like posts (both of them) as the worst and most hurtful to keeping threads on-track.

These kind of often sneaky and snarky at the same time posts, could imply an immediate ban of, say, one day.

This self-indulged posting (which is what it is too, IMO), is killing for the 99% of people who beg to differ with the skills involved. If not 100%, because audio is what it is, and one's own ideas and systems are always the best (and imply the highest degree of subjectivity, but so be it).


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6 hours ago, Jud said:


Having spent several years hanging out at evolutionary biology and climate science blogs, there seem to me to be two types of people who derail discussions and cause problems in those forums:

 

- Those who discount science entirely in favor of their own subjective “truth.”

 

- Scientists and engineers from other disciplines who feel exposure to science or engineering of any type qualifies them to comment authoritatively on any other type.

 

So yes, scientists and engineers are a great advantage for a forum - when they talk about what they know well. And of course when they exercise good forum citizenship.

 

Getting back to the original post: Most of the proposals seem reasonable. I don’t agree with downvoting or other permutations of it, anonymous or otherwise, because it’s too easily abused to chase away anyone a group of people dislikes for any reason, justified or unjustified. Anything that leads to a ban ought to require going through you from the outset, @The Computer Audiophile - even though I know that’s a burden on you, unfortunately.

 

Some of these proposals will tend to minimize some fruitful interchanges. Even so, I wonder if unfortunately they’ve become necessary.

 

As usual, Jud's observations are cogent and measured.

 

I would add that scientists and engineers within the same discipline can look at the same set of facts and come to completely different conclusions. This has, of course, been responsible for significant advances in many areas of human endeavor for hundreds, if not thousands, of years

 

A lot has been written, contemptuously, about "appeal to authority" on several CA forums. Like expectation bias, it's a phenomenon that can undermine the logical rigor of a person's belief system. But there is such a thing as expertise, in both the objectivist and subjectivist camps, and it's worth hearing from people with experience on both sides of the aisle. If Chris's guidelines are observed, I think more writers and other industry people will return and potentially enrich the dialogue.

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6 hours ago, Jud said:


Sure. But these days I also look around the site and think "So many damn arguments!" I (and I'm sure everyone else) wonder how to have stimulating discussions without having a large percentage of them dissolve into mere bickering.

 

Just an idea - and I'm not familiar with the deep history of the site ...

Presumably @The Computer Audiophile and maybe others have thought about Guest Editorials from people who really know what they're talking about -

I don't mean industry reps or journalists with vested interests -

I'm thinking more "Scientists and Engineers" - especially audio specialists

For me also Psycho-Acoustics people although of course they can be "Scientists and Engineers" anyway -

Expert Psychologists too -

Would it not make commercial sense to pay them a few bucks for their work writing an Article/Proposition and maybe a little time to respond to Comments for 7 days (not 24/7 obv.) -

The Forum could provide impartial competent moderators from the get go and for the long-term (who could maybe get a few bucks too) -

A bit like ebay will (or used to anyway) provide a selling service if you're not a dab hand yourself -

This could really shake up the culture here - stoking up a lot of lurker and new interest -

Contempt breeds Contempt. Dignity breeds Dignity. etc


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1 hour ago, SoundAndMotion said:

Well you didn't go to my university, where Bio and Chem majors took 1 year - a special version with some, but not too much, calculus. Physics and Engineering majors took the first 4 quarters (a year and third) together in the calculus-intensive courses.

As someone who took 4 years of calculus-intensive physics, I can tell you how important simplifying assumptions are to introduce topics (frictionless surfaces, infinite planes, pure vacuums), but how limiting it is to stick with them.

It is often useful to simplify a problem, provided the approximations are "safe." For example, suppose someone claims their car does 0-60 in two seconds. If we assume ideal conditions of zero friction and constant maximum engine output, and the calculated acceleration for the mass of the car still gives us a 0-60 figure of five seconds, we can be certain that the real-world result will not be any better.

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