Popular Post mansr Posted December 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, gmgraves said: In theory, this is a great idea. But the reality would be quite different. I’m specifically talking here about the two proposals where subjective and objective threads are enjoined from having unwanted comments. This would encourage, in my estimation, threads that are merely “preaching to the choir”. A while ago, I suggested adding an Echo Chamber section where disagreeing with the OP of any thread would be forbidden. Why not do it and see what happens? tmtomh, sandyk and wgscott 2 1 Link to comment
mansr Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, sandyk said: I am also concerned about what George has said about Preaching to the Choir type threads. By their very nature, the vast majority of them are not destined to become more than short threads before ending up diverging way off topic to keep them alive. "Rajiv's massive thread" begs to differ. kumakuma 1 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted December 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I believe we got to where we are because of people pestering others with frequent comments in many threads. If everyone was polite and respectful we'd have no need for any of this. What I suggested is basically your #3 but applied only to that section. If the proposed name offends you, feel free to call it Civility Corner or Snowflake Sanctuary instead. sandyk, BigAlMc, Ralf11 and 4 others 1 1 3 2 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted December 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said: Hopefully, the forum will still be useful. There's the rub. What attracted me here originally was the relative balance of views being expressed and tolerated. Many other forums swing too far in whichever is their direction. It's ok to simply say you did X and heard Y without doing a study worthy of a scientific journal. At the same time, it should be ok to respond that X causing Y seems unlikely and perhaps there's something else going on. This forum has thus far tolerated both. Lately, however, I have sensed a crackdown on science and reason when this rubs someone the wrong way. Perhaps the more subjectively minded feel similarly offended; I do not know. Regardless, this increasing polarisation is not something I like. In order to keep this place both friendly and educational, I urge everybody, whichever "side" they may be on, to think twice before engaging with those who irk them. I say this while admitting that I too am guilty of saying things better left unspoken. The hands-off approach taken by Chris is what has allowed this forum to flourish. I fear that with stricter rules and heavier moderation, the easy exchange of information and experiences will be replaced by a culture of reporting and fear of being reported. In the end, everybody will lose. So please, next time you feel your dearly held views insulted, let it slide. For the benefit of us all. firedog, gmgraves, DuckToller and 17 others 10 3 7 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted December 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, SoundAndMotion said: I agree with the bold, but don't agree with the italicized. I find this is true for all audio forums I read (used to be 7, now 6). Although for many that left, the negativity was part (perhaps all), for others it was just not worth the effort, or they preferred spending their time in other ways. At first I wanted to analogize: if you don't like getting hit, don't choose boxing. But the point of boxing is to hit. Better examples would be basketball, soccer or hockey. Hitting is not explicitly part of the game, but it happens and if you don't like it, choose another sport. I don't think "negativity" (and other bad things) are explicitly or necessarily part of audio forums, but it's part of every one I've seen. I admire Chris' moderation, not because I agree with his decisions, but because of the results (over the long term). If it has become an unpleasant burden for him, I'll trust his decisions and won't offer advice. I know if I had an audio forum, I'd kill it with bad decisions. It is important not to conflate scepticism and negativity. Thuaveta, tmtomh and esldude 2 1 Link to comment
mansr Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, SoundAndMotion said: Well you didn't go to my university, where Bio and Chem majors took 1 year - a special version with some, but not too much, calculus. Physics and Engineering majors took the first 4 quarters (a year and third) together in the calculus-intensive courses. As someone who took 4 years of calculus-intensive physics, I can tell you how important simplifying assumptions are to introduce topics (frictionless surfaces, infinite planes, pure vacuums), but how limiting it is to stick with them. It is often useful to simplify a problem, provided the approximations are "safe." For example, suppose someone claims their car does 0-60 in two seconds. If we assume ideal conditions of zero friction and constant maximum engine output, and the calculated acceleration for the mass of the car still gives us a 0-60 figure of five seconds, we can be certain that the real-world result will not be any better. esldude 1 Link to comment
mansr Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, crenca said: I second what @tmtomhsays here. I would add a 10th proposal: 10. Members will be able to vote for name changes of other members. @mansrcould be renamed "Short and Sweet and Sour", and @The Computer Audiophilecould be renamed "T-Boned the industry"... Nobody has ever called me that before. Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted December 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2019 35 minutes ago, wgscott said: Also, I hope current forum users, regardless of their country of residence, will be allowed the rights that residents of EU states have -- including the right to be forgotten, and to have their blogs, photographs, and identifying information deleted. That's one of the stupidest things the EU ever came up with. opus101, senorx, PeterSt and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted December 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2019 7 hours ago, sandyk said: All that is really needed here is Moderators from different time Zones to ensure that discussions remain respectful and on topic. No other forum changes should be necessary. This works well in DIY Audio etc. , so why not here as well ? Says the guy who recently encouraged others to post crap during the American night so it could stay unchallenged longer. wgscott and Ralf11 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted December 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, sandyk said: I make no apology for posting replies knowing that 2 members in particular will not be in a position to cause it to disappear from view within minutes of being posted. I would not feel the need to do this if we had more moderators to stop deliberate thread disruption tactics. Well, you're the expert on thread disruption, so I'll have to take your word for it. Ralf11 and wgscott 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Hi Guys - I just received this via PM and want to paste it in here so the opinion is heard and here for feedback. If the person who sent it reads it, please know it's anonymized. "Chris, the need for this whole 9-point plan or moderators is pretty much entirely due to half a dozen people who can't contain themselves. Dozen? More like half a pair. wgscott, crenca, kumakuma and 2 others 1 2 2 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, PeterSt said: Those who protest the most against the proposed ToS changes, are those who pose the problems most. Why, actually, are they left to be bespoke. Bespoke. I don't think that word means what you think it means. crenca and wgscott 2 Link to comment
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