Acceptable Responses when Impossible Claims Are Made??

[Ralf11]

What responses are allowed when someone posts a claim that cannot possibly be correct?

 

 

[wgscott]

Re-elect him and put his opponents in jail.

[Blackmorec]

45 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

What responses are allowed when someone posts a claim that cannot possibly be correct?

 

 

Ralf, you’ll never go far wrong if you keep it respectful and pleasant. Also ‘cannot possibly be correct’ is a pretty broad definition subject to many different interpretations....hearing something that the physics doesn’t agree with doesn’t constitute something that  cannot possibly be correct because it could be correct as long as we can’t directly correlate the physics to the hearing, which we generally can’t.  Or like saying that an ethernet cable can’t possibly effect the sound if the bitstream is unchanged because they can and they do. As you can see from those 2 examples, your version of ‘cannot possibly be correct” is quite different to mine.  So as I said, keep it friendly, civil and polite and we’ll never have to worry. 😁

[Teresa]

1 hour ago, Ralf11 said:

What responses are allowed when someone posts a claim that cannot possibly be correct?

 

If I believe something is not possible I make no comment at all. I don't know if this action will work for you. Perhaps, just state why you don't believe whatever isn't possible and leave it at that.

 

P.S. Also make sure they are actually making a claim and just not relating listening impressions. They are not the same thing.

[sandyk]

1 hour ago, Ralf11 said:

What responses are allowed when someone posts a claim that cannot possibly be correct?

 

 

 

 It's not up to you to decide whether the claims are possible or not, or for that matter ANY member of this forum.

[semente]

1 hour ago, Ralf11 said:

What responses are allowed when someone posts a claim that cannot possibly be correct?

 

 

 

Just explain why you think it's technically/scientifically wrong and substantiate your reasoning as clearly as possible.

I love to learn.

[Racerxnet]

11 minutes ago, semente said:

 

Just explain why you think it's technically/scientifically wrong and substantiate your reasoning as clearly as possible.

I love to learn.

I heard that! 😄  No you didn't! Yes I did.

[Ralf11]

20 minutes ago, sandyk said:

 

 It's not up to you to decide whether the claims are possible or not, or for that matter ANY member of this forum.

 

 

Thank you for posting an example of a claim that cannot possibly be correct.

 

However, I am talking about claims relating to SQ, not to expertise or scientific training or awards.

[gmgraves]

2 hours ago, Blackmorec said:

Ralf, you’ll never go far wrong if you keep it respectful and pleasant. Also ‘cannot possibly be correct’ is a pretty broad definition subject to many different interpretations....hearing something that the physics doesn’t agree with doesn’t constitute something that  cannot possibly be correct because it could be correct as long as we can’t directly correlate the physics to the hearing, which we generally can’t.  Or like saying that an ethernet cable can’t possibly effect the sound if the bitstream is unchanged because they can and they do. As you can see from those 2 examples, your version of ‘cannot possibly be correct” is quite different to mine.  So as I said, keep it friendly, civil and polite and we’ll never have to worry. 😁

We are dealing, here, with people’s senses, in this case hearing. Ears are not microphones, they are part of a system that interprets what it hears. The interpretation process is where the slip occurs ‘twixt the cup and lip, as they say. The interpretive process brings a lot of personal “baggage” with it; biases, opinions, yes, and even delusions. All of which get in the way of correctly interpreting the sound we hear. What I’m getting at here, is that just because we hear something, does’t mean it actually exists, but the opposite is true as well. Just because we don’t hear something does’t mean it’s not there either!

Allow me to expand on that last statement. I have an engineering degree and have worked in electronics all my life. Does that mean that if people talk about an aural or electronic phenomenon that my background and experience tells me cannot be, that I won’t hear a real phenomenon because, subconsciously, my background tells me that it can’t be real? The truth is, I don’t know and I can’t know, and neither can someone on the other side of the question. One hears (or doesn’t hear) what one hears (or doesn’t hear) and that’s the reality of it. Our brains don’t tell us when It obfuscates reality by overlaying it with our personal baggage. 😕

[mansr]

3 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

What responses are allowed when someone posts a claim that cannot possibly be correct?

Enthusiastic cheering.

[kumakuma]

Maybe we need something like a Participant Award so everyone can feel special.

 

 

[kumakuma]

1 hour ago, sandyk said:

 

 It's not up to you to decide whether the claims are possible or not, or for that matter ANY member of this forum.

 

Who was it saying yesterday that Radical Subjectivism isn't a thing?

[sandyk]

14 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

Who was it saying yesterday that Radical Subjectivism isn't a thing?

It isn't radical Subjectivism in other areas of the forum such as the Music Server area, and SPONSORED areas  either, where MANY members report hearing, AND confirming  hearing things that according to members such as yourself are simply not possible.

[Dutch]

Just leave out the sarcasm, ridicule and condescending tone. Try to be positive and constructive. Don’t repeat the same statements ad nauseum, don’t try to score points with your buddies and just walk away when someone disagrees or doesn’t want to engage in (potentially endless) discussion.

[mansr]

Just now, Dutch said:

Just leave out the sarcasm, ridicule and condescending tone. Try to be positive and constructive. Don’t repeat the same statements ad nauseum, don’t try to score points with your buddies and just walk away when someone disagrees or doesn’t want to engage in (potentially endless) discussion.

That advice was intended for Alex, right?

[kumakuma]

4 minutes ago, sandyk said:

It isn't radical Subjectivism in other areas of the forum such as the Music Server area either, where MANY members report hearing, AND confirming  hearing things that according to members such as yourself are simply not possible.

 

You seem to be confusing me with someone else. The only thing I've ever said was impossible was your identical file claims.

[GregWormald]

My mother always told me "If you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all."

[kumakuma]

3 minutes ago, GregWormald said:

My mother always told me "If you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all."

 

 

[Ralf11]

Just leave out the confirmation bias, attacks on people's systems and condescending tone about your own golden ears. Try to be positive and constructive. Don’t repeat the same statements ad nauseum, don’t try to score points with your buddies and just walk away when someone disagrees or doesn’t want to engage in (potentially endless) discussion.

[Thuaveta]

4 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

What responses are allowed when someone posts a claim that cannot possibly be correct?

 

Remember a simple axiom: the more deluded there are, the more deluded they are.

 

In practice, if many members either own or have pre-ordered a product whose manufacturer or engineer makes said claim, or any another from that brand or designed by that individual, expect them not to listen to anything you say. So do it for the others.

[Racerxnet]

1 hour ago, kumakuma said:

Maybe we need something like a Participant Award so everyone can feel special.

 

 

 

We wouldn't want   LEFT out ism  now would we!

 

MAK

[kumakuma]

2 minutes ago, Racerxnet said:

 

 

We wouldn't want   LEFT out ism  now would we!

 

MAK

 

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[gmgraves]

3 hours ago, GregWormald said:

My mother always told me "If you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all."

IIRC, didn’t Thumper (the baby rabbit in Disney’s “Bambi”) say that first?

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