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26 minutes ago, Kimo said:

 

They are pretty rare in the new market as well.  At least in the USA.  Quick google search didn't provide much.  From my own experience, I would certainly agree with them on phono cables and specificity, per what I read on the FM site.  

 

I have a pair of Supra EFF cables in for comparison to the Grimm.  They cost a bit more, but the company has been making cables forever, and the pricing is still cheap by audiophile standards.  

 

Will see how they compare with the Vovox, as well.  

FM gears are super rare in all markets.  I am fortunate to own a 245 pre-amp (the best solid state pre-amp I have heard) and 800A amp.  If you never own an FM product I'd strongly suggest you obtain one and you will understand why they are so highly regarded.

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@Kimo

 

Have you tried out the Gotham XLR cables?

Have heard some very positive things about Gotham cable.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nikhil said:

@Kimo

 

Have you tried out the Gotham XLR cables?

Have heard some very positive things about Gotham cable.

 

 

 

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No I have not. There are just too many options. I am actually pretty happy with my system now.

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3 hours ago, Nikhil said:

@Kimo

 

Have you tried out the Gotham XLR cables?

Have heard some very positive things about Gotham cable.

 

 

 

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I have not.  I am using their speaker cable, however, and it is a very inexpensive option.

 

To date, I have been very happy with the Grimm TPR.  The Vovox Sonorus was also good, if a little different, but the lack of shielding was a concern.  Sometimes it felt as if the extra detail was a product of a touch of RF.

 

So far, the Supra EFF is a little different from the Grimm and Vovox.  The Grimm has been the biggest and warmest in the lower midrange and bass.  These are all between 100.00 and 200.00 for a 2 meter pair, so I think that they are good value. 

 

Even the Livewire Essential cable I have sounds fine.  The others just seem to offer a bit more. 

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9 minutes ago, Kimo said:

 

I have not.  I am using their speaker cable, however, and it is a very inexpensive option.

 

To date, I have been very happy with the Grimm TPR.  The Vovox Sonorus was also good, if a little different, but the lack of shielding was a concern.  Sometimes it felt as if the extra detail was a product of a touch of RF.

 

So far, the Supra EFF is a little different from the Grimm and Vovox.  The Grimm has been the biggest and warmest in the lower midrange and bass.  These are all between 100.00 and 200.00 for a 2 meter pair, so I think that they are good value. 

 

Even the Livewire Essential cable I have sounds fine.  The others just seem to offer a bit more. 

I'd like to try these brands, given the current economic situation it probably make sense to explore toward the lower end of the spectrum. Where can I buy them?

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Didn't Gotham have some strange 3 conductor XLR cables?

They were just asking to be mis-wired and for increased SCIN (noise).

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59 minutes ago, wr_aspire said:

I'd like to try these brands, given the current economic situation it probably make sense to explore toward the lower end of the spectrum. Where can I buy them?

In the USA, your best best is Ebay for Supra and Grimm. 

 

You can also purchase in bulk or ready made from the Grimm website.  

https://www.grimmaudio.com/shop/index.php?route=product/category&path=65_66

 

For Vovox, these guys seem to have the best prices and ship world wide for free.  https://shop.highend-audiopc.com/collections/vovox

 

Even the top of line from these companies is fairly cheap by audiophile standards.  

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44 minutes ago, Speedskater said:

Didn't Gotham have some strange 3 conductor XLR cables?

They were just asking to be mis-wired and for increased SCIN (noise).

 

10701 GAC-3.  According to the website it has been around for 5 decades.

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6 hours ago, Nikhil said:

Have you tried out the Gotham XLR cables?

Have heard some very positive things about Gotham cable.

 

They are very well made.


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5 hours ago, jabbr said:

 

They are very well made.

 

How flexible is their quad cable?

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4 minutes ago, lucretius said:

 

How flexible is their quad cable?

Not the most flexible, they have layered shielding and they are thick.


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16 hours ago, Kimo said:

 

10701 GAC-3.  According to the website it has been around for 5 decades.

 

Nice stuff for sure.

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7 hours ago, Siltech817 said:

 

Nice stuff for sure.

 their 10701 GAC-3 three conductor cable, it's not suited for a balanced interconnect system.

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Lots of good stuff in that Gotham white paper, but (and this is important) no discussion about Shield Current Induced Noise (SCIN).

SCIN was first written about in the June 1995 AES Journal. With a much more coverage in the early 2000's. A 3 conductor cable will have SCIN problems.

Stick to the 2 conductor Gotham cables.

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14 hours ago, Speedskater said:

Stick to the 2 conductor Gotham cables.

 

Or the GAC Ultra 4/1 for example, also suited to balanced cable construction.

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On 4/26/2020 at 8:28 AM, Speedskater said:

Yes that StarQuad cable is designed for harsh pro audio situations where the cable might get thrown down with lighting control cable and various power cords.

 

Looks like Benchmark recommends star quad for all applications to provide extra protection against magnetic fields.  I know that Grimm's higher end cable is now all star quad, even for shorter distances.   I don't  recall hearing buzzing through any of the non star quad cables that I have used.

 

Studios, live sound venues and homes all have magnetic fields that can cause interference. Magnetic fields are produced whenever current flows through a wire. AC power cables, transformers, power supplies, computers, portable chargers, motors and light dimmers are among the devices that can emit strong magnetic fields. A microphone cable can pick up magnetic interference if it happens to pass near one of these devices. Cables can also pick up magnetic fields when they run adjacent to AC power. Top-quality star-quad cables can reduce this magnetic interference by at least 20 to 30 dB. This is almost always enough to reduce the interference to inaudible levels.

 

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13 minutes ago, Kimo said:

Looks like Benchmark recommends star quad for all applications to provide extra protection against magnetic fields.  I know that Grimm's higher end cable is now all star quad, even for shorter distances.

While StarQuad is useful in harsh interference pro venues, I think that Benchmark had to work real hard to show those differences.

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On 4/27/2020 at 5:45 PM, Speedskater said:

While StarQuad is useful in harsh interference pro venues, I think that Benchmark had to work real hard to show those differences.

 

Looks like they use Canare wire and simply provide assembly.  The Canare Star Quad that I heard did not seem to suffer on the high end like the Mogami Gold.  Seems like a fine basic option.  

 

 

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