UpTone EtherRegen measured. It's a switch.

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10 minutes ago, mansr said:

Is an army of straw men. Pass the kerosene, would you?

 

always this

we never get anywhere

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10 minutes ago, LowMidHigh said:

Amir's measures are not the point, and the entire process is rubbish.

That's what I would expect from genuinely scientific society, which ASR claim to be:

Since you have hundreds of people reporting on SQ improvement when adding the ER, set up a blind test to validate the null hypothesis. It is met, search for an explanation, including the use of measurements.

That would highly constructive and a positive contribution.

But instead, what we get is Amir, who-the-hell-is-he, running some possibly irrelevant test in his basement, followed by his choir of acolytes screaming murder. Over and again, it seems the sole goal of the exercise is to mock and heap abuse on others for being biased and placeboed.

 

To recap, let's first establish a difference can be heard. Then look for an explanation. 

 

 

A convergence of top down and bottom up evidence has the best prospect of calming hawks and doves alike.

 

Personalities, dogma, did I say dogma ... we don't get anywhere ... ever ...

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2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I agree 100%. Religion and politics are very similar. Both of those lead to toxic discussions quite frequently. 

 

The fundamentalists on each end can drive the discussion and be extremely vocal, but it doesn't make them right or wrong. 

 

If we start by taking out personalities (not with weapons or anything) as the focus of our approach;

moreover, as individuals relinquish being "right" about anything at all

- but rather -

simply and relentlessly, in a collegiate fashion, seek (bottom up and top down) common ground in order to progress towards some kind of "truth" - we may accomplish something worthwhile.

 

Measurements and their interpretation - Yes.

Blind listening tests and their interpretation - Yes.

Psycho-acoustics both mechanical and "central" (CNS) - Yes.

Good psychology - Yes.

Good philosophy - Yes.

 

I'll stick my neck out and say we have seen very little of the last three anywhere on the usual forums - certainly as relates to the EtherREGEN anyway.

 

It's rare that anything worthwhile in religion or politics is achieved by being "right" about anything. Or proving the "other" party wrong.

 

We are at our best when we proffer or assimilate the kind of "truth" which, like the best music, is convincing enough to raise goosebumps.

 

Then little else seems to matter.