UpTone EtherRegen measured. It's a switch.

[plissken]

Amir was able to get a unit to bench and the testing looks conclusive that it's not capable of doing anything more than a typical $60 switch.

The streamer he used has enough buffer to allow the swapping out of cables without breaking playback.

 

Here is one measurement up to 90Khz and showing no deviation vs a TP-Link switch. This is noise test so no tone is playing. Just looking at the Streamer noise floor.

 

 

 

 

 

[jtwrace]

Total joke

[mansr]

7 minutes ago, plissken said:

it's not capable of doing anything more than a typical $60 switch.

That is incorrect. It also functions as a space heater.

[Ralf11]

interesting 

[plissken]

3 minutes ago, mansr said:

That is incorrect. It also functions as a space heater.

Others can chime in about the operating temps to see if it's normal.

[Ralf11]

from the Ether:

 

On 11/14/2019 at 4:40 PM, Superdad said:

Looks like Amir is offering $10,000 to any of you who can tell the difference between an EtherREGEN and a $20 switch:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/uptone-etherregen.9260/page-5#post-266813

Who will be the first to step up?  Could buy a nice DAC or a lot of new music or some holiday gifts or just donate to charity. 

 

[By the way, the graph he is so up in arms about in that post is one he made with 23 feet(!) of three $4 Amazon USB cables chained together--with those he found a slight bit more "noise" picked up by an ISO REGEN. Of course he ignores what the device is about. Guess when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.]

 

[Ralf11]

so, space heater or hammer?

[plissken]

Since Alex deleted it in the other thread... Here it is:

 

[kumakuma]

How does these measurements compare to UpTone's own measurements?

[plissken]

27 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

How does these measurements compare to UpTone's own measurements?

 

They don't have any.

[plissken]

 

What's even scarier is all the people that are patently hearing stuff that isn't there.

[Superdad]

10 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

One of the those "offensive" posts was mine where I simply asked 'How leakage, ground-plane noise affected SQ' - Jud likes his, but this is looking more & more like a scam...

 

a) The answer and explanation have already been discussed elsewhere many times;

b) Your post and those others were way off topic in the Listening Impressions thread.

 

I have no interest in being bullied, defamed, or threatened (they are having a field day of it over in the ASR thread)--and in our own sponsored forum I don't have to put up with it. 

 

 

[plissken]

1 minute ago, Superdad said:

 

a) The answer and explanation have already been discussed elsewhere many times;

 

No, you have put forth guesses and conjecture.

 

Amir's data show no differences. Where's your data Alex?

1 minute ago, Superdad said:

I have no interest in being bullied, defamed, or threatened (they are having a field day of it over in the ASR thread)--and in our own sponsored forum I don't have to put up with it.

 

You aren't being bullied or defamed. You are however being exposed.

 

There is $10,000 out there waiting and again I'll cover the $1000 you would have to put up.

 

It's like at Whats Best Forum when I asked if you would sit for a blind evaluation on your ISO Regen and you said ANY DAY OF THE WEEK and then ghosted yourself for 18 months when someone took you up at your word.

 

Well what ever your word is worth now days.

 

You've managed to produce a switch that couldn't even get 802.11az correct out of the gate.

 

 

 

 

[Superdad]

2 minutes ago, plissken said:

What's even scarier is all the people that are patently hearing stuff that isn't there.

 

So why is it that you and your friends are so obsessed with UpTone and its products?  You do realize that our switch (with bill-of-materials multiplier lower than most any other audio-related component) is less than 1/3rd the price of SOtM switch and 1/5th the price of the Melco.  Plus there are a ton of other kinds of devices in the category you consider "snake-oil."  Yet I don't see you getting all worked up over them.

 

I find it very strange that skeptics talk themselves into not hearing things which are so very easy to hear.

We sell with a 30-day money-back guarantee, we don't advertise, and yet almost nobody ever returns our products (less than 1%), and they keep buying more. About 48% of our business is from return clients, and most all we get is praise.  So if your ears are clogged, don't blame me. 

 

[plissken]

2 minutes ago, Superdad said:

I find it very strange that skeptics talk themselves into not hearing things which are so very easy to hear.

We sell with a 30-day money-back guarantee, we don't advertise, and yet almost nobody ever returns our products (less than 1%), and they keep buying more. About 48% of our business is from return clients, and most all we get is praise.  So if your ears are clogged, don't blame me. 

 

 

I find it even stranger that I've offered to cover your $1000 side of a bet so you can walk away with $9000.

 

So if your ears are so clogged you can't bag an easy $9K....

[Superdad]

3 minutes ago, plissken said:

There is $10,000 out there waiting and again I'll cover the $1000 you would have to put up.

I don't want your money and I don't need to prove anything to you.

 

3 minutes ago, plissken said:

It's like at Whats Best Forum when I asked if you would sit for a blind evaluation on your ISO Regen and you said ANY DAY OF THE WEEK and then ghosted yourself for 18 months when someone took you up at your word.

Oh good grief, here you go again with that.  I do blind tests all the time. What I said in that one post was not an invitation. I'd sooner hack off my own toe than to invite Amir or you into my home.

[plissken]

4 minutes ago, Superdad said:

I don't want your money and I don't need to prove anything to you.

 

Oh good grief, here you go again with that.  I do blind tests all the time. What I said in that one post was not an invitation. I'd sooner hack off my own toe than to invite Amir or you into my home.

 

Lol. I said we could do that at Axpona. Your product is a sham.

 

 

[plissken]

The measurement data is pretty damning.

[jandersonhill]

Just because someone isn't able explain why something happens doesn't mean that it doesn't (spooky action at a distance being a great example). I'm quite happy for people to save their money and listen/enjoy to their HiFi as they hear it, but to say that no one else should enjoy the improvements they get when they do hear a difference is a little bananas.

 

The only reason I'm posting this is to suggest people should be able to make up their own mind. Many manufacturers offer money back guarantees. If this is the case and people say it makes a difference, if you can afford the risk of finding out that it works for you, why not try it? The worst that can happen is that you get your money back!

 

BTW Fair warning: I have no intention of getting dragged into a cat fight. I've made my point and will likely leave it there as I would rather spend my time enjoying my music. If you get your kicks from berating others or measuring cables, that's fine, but don't expect me to be your sponsor 🙂

 

[jamesg11]

@The Computer Audiophile

I don’t get how a thread with this level of abusive intolerance is tolerated on this site?

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, jamesg11 said:

@The Computer Audiophile

I don’t get how a thread with this level of abusive intolerance is tolerated on this site?

I haven't read this thread yet and have only dealt with posts that have been reported. I've warned some users.

 

I'll read it through now.

[Bricki]

1 hour ago, Ralf11 said:

,but this is looking more & more like a scam...

Scammers don't offer 30 day money back guarantees.

 

I think you owe an apology to Alex. That simply is NOT the track record of his company

[The Computer Audiophile]

5 hours ago, plissken said:

Amir was able to get a unit to bench and the testing looks conclusive that it's not capable of doing anything more than a typical $60 switch.

The streamer he used has enough buffer to allow the swapping out of cables without breaking playback.

 

Here is one measurement up to 90Khz and showing no deviation vs a TP-Link switch. This is noise test so no tone is playing. Just looking at the Streamer noise floor.

 

 

 

 

 

Is this any industry standard test or was any testing done that conforms to a recognized method of testing switches?

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

I must say I'm not a huge fan of this thread and others like it. It wreaks of Schadenfreude, big brother, and superiority. 

 

I'm unsure what the goal of this thread is. If it's just for some people to discuss some measurements of a product, that's just fine. But, it really doesn't seem that way. There is so much other BS going on that much of the substance is gone. 

 

If anyone really wanted to have a discussion about this product's measurements, there's no way it would happen in this thread. Like all other topics in life, it isn't always what is said, but how it's said that matters most. Ralf calling Alex SuperDud is sophomoric at best and will no doubt put a sour taste in others' mouths. If it's those other people who the objectivists hope to "teach" or save from themselves, they've lost them already. 

 

This brings me back to the point of this thread. Someone please educate me so I can understand. It's clearly not just to discuss the measurements of a product. 

[LowMidHigh]

The point is that Sir Amir is the most credible and respected person in the industry and we should all defer to him. His knowledge and experience are boundless, his intelligence immeasurable and his ethics are above reproach. His aural sensors are both acute and subliminal, resembling those of a canine in its prime. 

 

Let it be clear; whoever claims that either commercial interests or personal bias affect the outcome of his tests is a malicious, slanderous cretin to be dammed and condemned. 

 

Having said that, if Amir is unable to hear any difference, and if his pinpoint, laser-guided measures demonstrate the ER has no efficacy whatsoever, we should unquestionably accept and pay homage to his verdict. Yes, we must immediately remove that snake-oil device from our chains and repeat to ourselves that the old sound is exactly the same, Indeed, we, poor souls, were merely deceived by the overwhelming forces of phsyoacoustic and cognitive dissonance.

 

Hail Amir!