sandyk Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: Let's see YOUR system, Sandy My system is mainly DIY, and the internals as well as photos of my DIY Preamp etc. have been posted on numerous occasions already. These days I listen mainly on headphones due to other family members working mainly night shifts Attached is an internal photo of my DIY Class A Preamplifier and 15W /Ch. Class A Amplifier. which like the rest of the system is Direct Coupled. i.e. NO capacitors in the signal path. They also use external toroidal transformers in a separate 2 rack case for best noise performance. numlog 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post STC Posted November 25, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, sandyk said: Once again, that is rubbish. Dips and peaks in microphone response and positioning as well as limitations of the recording, especially from YouTube videos with heir compressed and low bit rate recordings make this a pretty well pointless exercise for the normal person, and this particular subject is best discussed in one of the threads that you have already started on that subject.. Please be consistent. There are many recordings which claimed to be the accurate sound of the original event. You can also read many comment it’s claiming such recordings can reproduce the instruments and space where the original event took place. But when it comes to recording a systems playback, microphones dips and peaks suddenly incapable of making the true representation of the playback sound? How is it possible for the microphones to capture the original event accurately but not the playback? 1 hour ago, sandyk said: A recorded capture of the sound of a system using microphones is a very poor replica of the original sound and only useful where the systems already sound very different. Even then...... We know that. But why? All playback is a compromised representation of the original event. When you record them using the traditional method they are further compromised. 1 hour ago, sandyk said: Rubbish I have been able to listen to some very high end systems that a small group of friends own, some on loan from the dealer, and with systems even worth around Au$100K there can be very marked sound differences, with all components including expensive speakers . The best sounding ones were in most cases readily identified by the group under non sighted conditions. I don't read the Hi Fi magazines these days so I can't comment on what they publish. I do have a copy of the review from Stereophile of my old Musical Fidelity X-DAC V3 ,which got great reviews and had much better than average measurements, but all 3 of us who purchased them were highly disappointed in their performance, and all of us made major improvements in the PSU area where it was powered by an A.C. wallwart. We all modified them to be powered by an external Linear PSU with greatly improved results. Ask Kal, who actually took part in a proper blind test at Harman. The best you could do is to tell one is better than the other. For an example, if you were to compare Wilson, laptop and Sharp system. You could tell the difference. But if you were to listen to Utopia, Wilson and the McIntosh, the best is you could only pick one that is better to your ears. marce, mansr, fas42 and 1 other 3 1 ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted November 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, STC said: Please be consistent I am being consistent. I find that recordings of performances captured in a room from a pair of speakers, and then posted on YouTube are damn near useless for most purposes !!! Quote Ask Kal, who actually took part in a proper blind test at Harman. Why ? Is his hearing and equipment any better than that of the rest of our local group including Audiophile Neuroscience who has a well implemented system, and listening room ? Just because he writes for a magazine does not mean that his views are more worthwhile than any other experienced Audiophiles . Ralf11 and davide256 1 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
STC Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, sandyk said: I am being consistent. I find that recordings of performances captured in a room from a pair of speakers, and then posted on YouTube are damn near useless for most purposes !!! It is the same even If you capture a world class live concert hall performance and post them via YouTube. It will be a compromised version. BUT only a deaf would unable to rank the performance and SQ even with YT quality. davide256 1 ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
John Dyson Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, STC said: It is the same even If you capture a world class live concert hall performance and post them via YouTube. It will be a compromised version. BUT only a deaf would unable to rank the performance and SQ even with YT quality. Side-note, mildly off topic, but statement of fact -- a lot of the commerical recordings on YouTube are infested with missing DolbyA decoding... Just FYI. I can clean many of them up A LOT, but of course usually only starting with 160k or 128k opus type source. If someone masters their own material, of course the DolbyA problem won't exist. John Link to comment
STC Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, John Dyson said: Side-note, mildly off topic, but statement of fact -- a lot of the commerical recordings on YouTube are infested with missing DolbyA decoding... Just FYI. I can clean many of them up A LOT, but of course usually only starting with 160k or 128k opus type source. If someone masters their own material, of course the DolbyA problem won't exist. John John, I don’t think they still use DolbyA for recording nowadays. I could be wrong. ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted November 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, STC said: BUT only a deaf would unable to rank the performance and SQ even with YT quality. Yahoo Serious ? Systems with subtle but worthwhile differences will never be accurately captured for listening to crappy YouTube Audio. Of course, if you are capturing Frank's laptop speakers vs. any decent system that will be a different matter. daverich4 and Teresa 1 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 57 minutes ago, sandyk said: My system is mainly DIY, and the internals as well as photos of my DIY Preamp etc. have been posted on numerous occasions already. These days I listen mainly on headphones due to other family members working mainly night shifts Attached is an internal photo of my DIY Class A Preamplifier and 15W /Ch. Class A Amplifier. which like the rest of the system is Direct Coupled. i.e. NO capacitors in the signal path. They also use external toroidal transformers in a separate 2 rack case for best noise performance. which headphones? Link to comment
daverich4 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, sandyk said: It looks nice, but what is the source of the music, the type of amplification etc. ? No, you don't come remotely close to the vocal members that I am referring to . QNAP NAS, MacMini/Roon, opticalRendu, PS Audio DirectStream DAC, Audio Research Ref 3, Audio Research Ref 75SE, Wilson Sasha II’s, wire by Audioquest except for Curious Cable USB. Link to comment
fas42 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, sandyk said: I am being consistent. I find that recordings of performances captured in a room from a pair of speakers, and then posted on YouTube are damn near useless for most purposes !!! They are very useful, because they make it trivially obvious when the playback has significant issues - you see, you're not trying to determine how good it is; rather, you're wearing the cap of a troubleshooter - there are very few videos of good sounding systems on YT ... because, well, they are not good sounding in the flesh, 😉. Link to comment
sandyk Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: which headphones? Audio Technica ATH-M70x are the best I can afford these days after an earpiece went o/c in my original ATH W1000 with Bubinga wood cups, which were way more expensive, and had a thin layer of butyl applied inside the cups to reduce resonances. They have an extended frequency response to 40kHZ (no details provided), and have a flatter frequency response than most headphones in the critical VF area. Teresa 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
fas42 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 As an example of what can be conveyed about replay in a YT, a solid effort that came up some time ago, Link to comment
fas42 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, sandyk said: They have an extended frequency response to 40kHZ (no details provided), and have a flatter frequency response than most headphones in the critical VF area. Massive spike in the response around 10kHz - no wonder you like what John Dyson is doing to tame the HF stuff ... 😀 Link to comment
sandyk Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, fas42 said: Massive spike in the response around 10kHz - no wonder you like what John Dyson is doing to tame the HF stuff ... 😀 Bullshit ! Have you checked out the Frequency response of most pairs of headphones ? Many die in the arse just around the 9-10kHz area . Do you think that nobody else except yourself is capable of taking into account things like this , which are also later compared by me via the main system where there are no such anomalies, and the DAC is of an even higher quality ? This is trivially easy for me to do because all of John's samples are saved to USB memory stick initially.. What's your excuse where you prefer the accentuated HF response of the non decoded Dolby A original recordings ? Teresa 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
STC Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, sandyk said: Yahoo Serious ? Systems with subtle but worthwhile differences will never be accurately captured for listening to crappy YouTube Audio. Of course, if you are capturing Frank's laptop speakers vs. any decent system that will be a different matter. Do you know why it is even posted in YouTube? Or is it just a convenient excuse? How would you propose this comparison be done? ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 the ATH-M70x do look real hot at 10 kHz Link to comment
STC Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, sandyk said: Have you checked out the Frequency response of most pairs of headphones ? Many die in the arse just around the 9-10kHz area . Have you checked your ears Frequency Response? Do you even know why they are steeply attenuated at higher frequencies? ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
STC Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: the ATH-M70x do look real hot at 10 kHz Maybe there is a reason why he is hearing difference under extraordinary circumstances. ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
fas42 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, sandyk said: Bullshit ! Have you checked out the Frequency response of most pairs of headphones ? Many die in the arse just around the 9-10kHz area . Do you think that nobody else except yourself is capable of taking into account things like this , which are also later compared by me via the main system where there are no such anomalies, and the DAC is of an even higher quality ? This is trivially easy for me to do because all of John's samples are saved to USB memory stick initially.. What's your excuse where you prefer the accentuated HF response of the non decoded Dolby A original recordings ? Take it easy, Alex, I was taking the pi.. 😄 What's the magic problem with headphones, in the 10k area, anyway? You know I'm taking this Dolby A thing with a huge grain of salt - there are plenty of recordings with balances which provoke the replay chain into sounding unpleasant - this current laptop of mine, with 'micro' speakers, is no different from everything else out there. Which is why I'm using my CD rip of Ring, Ring to 'troubleshoot' - in non-optimum status, very screechy; and this steadily disappears as I get closer to better settings for everything. Link to comment
STC Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 hours ago, sandyk said: My system is mainly DIY, and the internals as well as photos of my DIY Preamp etc. have been posted on numerous occasions already. These days I listen mainly on headphones due to other family members working mainly night shifts Attached is an internal photo of my DIY Class A Preamplifier and 15W /Ch. Class A Amplifier. which like the rest of the system is Direct Coupled. i.e. NO capacitors in the signal path. They also use external toroidal transformers in a separate 2 rack case for best noise performance. can these picture drive my speakers? ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
sandyk Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 33 minutes ago, STC said: Maybe there is a reason why he is hearing difference under extraordinary circumstances. As I previously stated I have a way better than average main system where I am readily able to confirm my initial impressions. This thread is getting beyond a joke. It has developed into the usual Audiophile bashing thread and personal attacks. John Dyson trusts what I report, as does Barry Diament and Martin Colloms, and on several occasions cases I have referred the tracks in question from John to others for their evaluation. On all recent occasions they have agreed with me. One is a Professional performing Classical musician. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post STC Posted November 26, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 minute ago, sandyk said: As I previously stated I have a way better than average main system where I am readily able to confirm my initial impressions. This thread is getting beyond a joke. It has developed into the usual Audiophile bashing thread and personal attacks. John Dyson trusts what I report, as does Barry Diament and Martin Colloms, and on several occasions cases I have referred the tracks in question from John to others for their evaluation. On all recent occasions they have agreed with me. One is a Professional performing Classical musician. it is becoming a joke when one posts picture of inside preamp to prove that his system superior to others. I have seen thousands of them. What matters is what comes out of system and reaches your ears. So what would be the alternative to YT? marce and Teresa 2 ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
sandyk Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 46 minutes ago, STC said: can these picture drive my speakers? ST Haven't you got anything better to do than post smart arse replies like this ? Isn't it about time you either put this thread back on track or put it out of it's misery ? How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
STC Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 Just now, sandyk said: ST Haven't you got anything better to do than post smart arse replies like this ? Isn't it about time you either put this thread back on track or put it out of it's misery ? You started it and I answered and asking you to provide a way to do this better and more reliable. Do you know or not? sandyk and marce 1 1 ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted November 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, sandyk said: John Dyson trusts what I report, as does Barry Diament and Martin Colloms, and on several occasions cases I have referred the tracks in question from John to others for their evaluation. On all recent occasions they have agreed with me. One is a Professional performing Classical musician. None of that matters based on your equivalence of all personal experiences argument marce and STC 2 Link to comment
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