The Computer Audiophile Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 P.S. That comment is meant for both sides of the issue. Sandyk can’t resist getting belligerent if someone demands measurements. Live and let live people. Teresa 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
89reksal Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 31 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: But, there isn’t enough time in the day to care about or argue with other people about how they enjoy their lives Apparently you're wrong about that Chris. I'd say, conservatively, 25% of the posts on this site are exactly about that 😥 daverich4 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 it has nothing to do with "how others enjoy their lives" it has a lot to do with consumer fraud and the hatred of science that some have well, I'm late for the anti-VAXer and anti-5G meetings... kumakuma, Jud, daverich4 and 4 others 1 1 1 4 Link to comment
pkane2001 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, PeterSt said: Because what we *1) can hear can not by measured by anyone *2) ? 1) Make that me. Not you. 2) No comment. 😊 Great! I'll recommend to my physicists friends to stop wasting time and money on expensive equipment. All they need to do is to deploy a few audiophiles to listen to gravitational waves, as I'm sure these make a huge difference in micro-dynamics and sound stage. After an appropriate break-in period, of course. (Please don't ban me, Chris! I'm just having fun, and as you said "Why is it that people care so much about how others have fun"? ) sandyk and esldude 1 1 -Paul DeltaWave, DISTORT, Earful, PKHarmonic, new: Multitone Analyzer Link to comment
Sonicularity Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 22 hours ago, mansr said: That is nuts! esldude 1 Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Ralf11 said: it has nothing to do with "how others enjoy their lives" it has a lot to do with consumer fraud and the hatred of science that some have well, I'm late for the anti-VAXer and anti-5G meetings... If it was really about consumer fraud, why aren’t people going after those selling the fraudulent products? This has zero to do with fraud. It’s all about saving people from themselves, being right, proving someone wrong etc... Teresa, esldude, daverich4 and 1 other 1 2 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 Most consumer fraud is never prosecuted; much of it is not illegal - (puffery). Your site is distinguished from the usual sub-scientific audiophool gibberish sites by the contributions of people like mansr, pk2000, marce et al. Do you really want that to change? mansr and sandyk 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: Most consumer fraud is never prosecuted; much of it is not illegal - (puffery). Your site is distinguished from the usual sub-scientific audiophool gibberish sites by the contributions of people like mansr, pk2000, marce et al. Do you really want that to change? Now you’re taking it to another level. I published mans’ objective article because I really like it. I like the extra info offered to by the objective crowd. What I don’t like and don’t understand is the badgering of each other. It’s no different from politics. Live and let live. Create separate topics to talk about whatever one wants. No need to walk into a party and piss in the punch bowl. Teresa, Richard Dale, daverich4 and 1 other 2 2 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Racerxnet Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 You would end up with a lopsided (subjective) conversation that may or may not be based on reality. If not based on reality or technical merit, does that help the community as a whole??? I see the punch bowl already tainted with piss and people drinking from it. Hope everyone enjoyed the holiday! MAK marce 1 Link to comment
sandyk Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Now you’re taking it to another level. I published mans’ objective article because I really like it. I like the extra info offered to by the objective crowd. I also prefer to see pertinent technical information in all equipment reviews, having purchased several items such as Speakers ,DACs etc. based mainly on the excellent measured specifications . However, if the measurements were the final arbiter as several members keep insisting, you may as well publish the Objective article and just stick to the cosmetic appearance of the equipment and the Wife Acceptance Factor in your section of the review. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
fas42 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Straddling the fence as I do, both sides have part of the story right, and both have parts of it wrong - in the latter sense, one lot are obsessed with using magic bits in their rig, and that only ultra expensive gear can make it happen; and the other are being ritualistic, and fanatical about the concept that factors which are easy to measure are all that can ever matter. It was obvious to me over 3 decades ago that these two lots of wrong thinking would make it so, so hard for good sound to be more common - from where I stand, there has been close to zero progress since ... now, where is the rolling one's eyes, squared, emoji? Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, Racerxnet said: You would end up with a lopsided (subjective) conversation that may or may not be based on reality. If not based on reality or technical merit, does that help the community as a whole??? I see the punch bowl already tainted with piss and people drinking from it. Hope everyone enjoyed the holiday! MAK While this sounds logical it’s far from the truth. Many people are here to have fun and try different things. This is a hobby that brings them enjoyment. The last thing they want is people telling them they are wrong, foolish, or crazy. I don’t understand why those who don’t agree with conversations in which it’s clear their opinion isn’t wanted, must thrust it on everyone. lopsided is what many people want. Whether it’s objective or subjective, lopsided pleases many people. I prefer both sides but it’s very clear many don’t. Your vision of what helps the community is one thing but it’s completely opposite for others. you wouldn’t invite an abrasive republican to a Democrat’s party. She may have great things to say but nobody at the party is interested. Same could be said for a vegan and carnivore. Teresa 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, fas42 said: Straddling the fence as I do, both sides have part of the story right, and both have parts of it wrong - in the latter sense, one lot are obsessed with using magic bits in their rig, and that only ultra expensive gear can make it happen; and the other are being ritualistic, and fanatical about the concept that factors which are easy to measure are all that can ever matter. It was obvious to me over 3 decades ago that these two lots of wrong thinking would make it so, so hard for good sound to be more common - from where I stand, there has been close to zero progress since ... now, where is the rolling one's eyes, squared, emoji? To me I couldn’t care less how someone strives for what they believe is better sound. I don’t believe anyone else should care either. Teresa 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
fas42 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 The trouble is that people who care enough to participate in an audio forum, are often those who are disturbed by others not confirming their world view on "how to go about it" ... 😉. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 "how someone strives for what they believe is better sound. I don’t believe anyone else should care either. " - That is not the issue - the point is that people are making posts that mislead other consumers. For the record, I have never said that measurements were the final arbiter and it is not clear to me that there is set of measurements sufficient to show one high quality electronic item sounds better than another. For speakers, or for crummy vs. top-notch, yes. sandyk and marce 1 1 Link to comment
Racerxnet Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Fair enough. Politics is 2 pieces of $hit in the same bowl. This country is as corrupt as how we viewed the USSR back in the day. Have a great weekend sandyk 1 Link to comment
mansr Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I don’t understand why those who don’t agree with conversations in which it’s clear their opinion isn’t wanted, must thrust it on everyone. I don't understand Alex either. Ralf11 and daverich4 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, mansr said: I don't understand Alex either. And on that basis you made it clear in one of your fairly recent posts that you want to see me banned from this forum, and have automatically jumped to the conclusion that I am the ONLY member that Chris is referring to here. You keep forgetting that this is an Audiophile forum where views and reports from both the Objective and Subjective sides are welcomed. Ralf11 and Teresa 1 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
PeterSt Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, sandyk said: You keep forgetting that this is an Audiophile forum You keep thinking this is an Audiophile forum. kumakuma 1 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, PeterSt said: You keep thinking this is an Audiophile forum. and that it's his job to police it. The Computer Audiophile and Ralf11 1 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
sandyk Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, PeterSt said: You keep thinking this is an Audiophile forum. Peter Many technically qualified members are Audiophiles too. In case some like Kumakuma haven't noticed , this forum is also supported financially by Audiophile manufacturers, unlike forums such as Hydrogen Audio etc. Without their support this forum would more than likely cease to exist. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
PeterSt Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, sandyk said: Without their support this forum would more than likely cease to exist. This forum will continue as an explicit non-audiophile forum. Or maybe not at all. Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
kumakuma Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, sandyk said: In case some like Kumakuma haven't noticed , this forum is also supported financially by Audiophile manufacturers, unlike forums such as Hydrogen Audio etc. Without their support this forum would more than likely cease to exist. No idea why you feel the need to call me out in your post but please stop dragging me in your rants. Ralf11 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
sandyk Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, kumakuma said: No idea why you feel the need to call me out in your post but please stop dragging me in your rants. # 320 Ralf11 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted November 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 12:55 AM, sandyk said: This thread has become rather nasty, and I will be taking no further part in it. Four days and six pages later, why are you still here? kumakuma and Ralf11 1 1 Link to comment
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