HumanMedia Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/23/2020 at 3:11 AM, fuzzypoodle said: Hi @JohnSwenson, Can you please suggest the optimal application of Uptone power supplies to the following gear: SotM 10G Switch -> Etherregen -> Auralic G2 Streamer (AC)-> ISOregen -> M-scaler -> Opto_DX (batteries) -> Hugo TT2 DAC. Currently JS-2 powers HMS and Hugo TT2. ISOregen by LPS-1.2. One LPS on January order. Thanks in advance ! My suggestion is to immediately stop sharing the JS-2 between the HMS and TT2 as that completely bypasses the Opto DX. Also both of the Chord HMS and TT2 draw well above 1A at times so they really shouldn’t be run from an LPS. I am biased but my ideal UpTone Power supply implementation would be a separate JS-2 on everything. And get one of the custom 15v JS-2 (ask SuperDad about this) for the HMS which for some reason sounds better with 15v. The TT2 is less picky with voltage as it is used to change its internal supercapacitor supply, but 15v wouldn’t hurt here either. To save space and money, I guess ypu could use LPS 1.2 on the EtherRegen and ISORegen. Link to comment
pietka08 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Hello. This is my first post! I am from Poland and my English is translated by google. Therefore, I apologize for the mistakes. I read your reviews and bought UpTone EtherRegen. I want to go on with my query from here. Maybe someone else has a good EtherRegen power supply for sale. I am happy to buy a Farad Super 3 or SR4T with the complete cables. Link to comment
rossb Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 I have been using the etherRegen without an issue for months. However, today it started to produce an odd result. When the eR was connected to my network, the internet connection would drop out. If I disconnected the eR to the network, the internet connection would reappear. I tried this multiple times to confirm that I was not imagining this. Presumably there is some kind of conflict between the eR and my modem/router. Any thoughts as to how to resolve this? Link to comment
One and a half Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, rossb said: I have been using the etherRegen without an issue for months. However, today it started to produce an odd result. When the eR was connected to my network, the internet connection would drop out. If I disconnected the eR to the network, the internet connection would reappear. I tried this multiple times to confirm that I was not imagining this. Presumably there is some kind of conflict between the eR and my modem/router. Any thoughts as to how to resolve this? It's summer, the ER is too hot, even under cooler conditions. Find a USB fan, blow it over the case and see if the ER keeps going? AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
rossb Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Thanks, but that’s not quite the problem. The eR is working fine. But it causes my modem/router to lose the internet connection when it is connected to the network. Link to comment
One and a half Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, rossb said: Thanks, but that’s not quite the problem. The eR is working fine. But it causes my modem/router to lose the internet connection when it is connected to the network. You are monitoring the WAN connection at the router to draw this conclusion? AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
rossb Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Yes, the internet connection drops out from all PCs and other devices on the network. Link to comment
One and a half Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, rossb said: Yes, the internet connection drops out from all PCs and other devices on the network. The router has logs, any clue in looking at those? Some of them are gobbly gook, some are actua;ly written in English. Perhaps extract and post as an attachment. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
MartinT Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The only scenario I can think of (and I've seen faulty network switches do this) is if the ER is broadcasting constant rubbish. Does your router's activity light confirm if the ER is sending constant traffic if supposedly idle with nothing connected to the B side? TP-Link MR6400 4G router > Uptone EtherREGEN reclocker > Sonore Signature Rendu SE streamer > Gustard U18 DDC > Gustard X26 Pro DAC > Belles SA-100 power amp > Usher Dancer Be-20 speakers. AfterDark clocks x 2. PS Audio P3 & P10 regenerators. https://theaudiostandard.net Link to comment
rossb Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, One and a half said: The router has logs, any clue in looking at those? Some of them are gobbly gook, some are actua;ly written in English. Perhaps extract and post as an attachment. How do I find these? I am a novice when it comes to networking. 10 minutes ago, MartinT said: The only scenario I can think of (and I've seen faulty network switches do this) is if the ER is broadcasting constant rubbish. Does your router's activity light confirm if the ER is sending constant traffic if supposedly idle with nothing connected to the B side? I'll have to reconnect the ER and see what effect it has on the router (which is in a different room). Link to comment
R1200CL Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 7 hours ago, rossb said: Presumably there is some kind of conflict between the eR and my modem/router. Maybe check if there is firmware upgrades available for your other network gear. Take cables in and out as a way to ensure good connections. Assume your power to EtherRegen is OK, so that isn’t a place to look. Link to comment
rossb Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The ER was bought in March last year. I assume it is under warranty - I think I will be sending it back to Uptone for repair/replacement. Link to comment
Popular Post gstew Posted January 3, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2021 EtherRegen, the gift that keeps on giving! I’ve had my EtherRegen’s since some of the first shipments and loved the improvements they wrought. For some of my thoughts, see the first post of this thread. The magnitude of the improvement from the ERs surprised me as I THOUGHT I had configured my pre-ER network into a good ‘do no harm’ configuration: ZyXel switch selected for reasonable sonics An optical FMC link just before my endpoint with the better sounding FMC (modified Delock) on the endpoint side in an attempt to lower noise to the endpoint Low-noise music source server (Zotac PI320-W3) Older WiFi router (D-Link DI-624) configured as an access point for control from a cellphone or computer Shortest possible cables (I know this is not always true, but I start from a perspective of the shortest cable is the best cable… or at least does the least harm!) ALL linear power supplies, no SMPSs NO connection to the wider Internet to limit any possibility of sonic degradation from the associated equipment and connection My post-ER setup was simpler, with just the WiFi endpoint and music source computer connected on the A-side of the ER and a connection to my endpoint on the B-side. In the year+ the ER’s have been in the wild, I’m reading reports of additional improvements available by adding either selected routers or an FMC link before the ER or even cascading 2 ER’s. While I have 2 ER’s and can try a cascade, IF I liked it too much it’d be another $1,300 to purchase 2 more as I run 2 separate setups. AND I don’t have any of the prized routers, though someday I’ll try what I have around. BUT I still had my FMC optical Ethernet link HW, the Trendnet -> Delock FMC pair I had used previously. I found the Trendnet was a slight but noticeable upgrade form the TPLink FMCs I first tried as an optical Ethernet link in an attempt to lower noise into my music player endpoint back in 2016. The Delocks were recommended in a post on this forum as a very good sounding FMC. I modified my Delocks with a good low-noise regulator (ADM7151) to provide more flexibility on power supply selection. With just two connections into my ER’s, the music server and the old WiFi Router, I thought I’d try the FMCs between the WiFi Router and the ER’s. Initially each FMC was powered by a Jameco 5V linear (not SMPS) regulated wall-wart with some Q&D mods (upgraded diodes, caps, transformer ringing snubber, and an AC filter cap). I find this a good, low-cost DIY route to improving on almost AND SMPS for network HW when used within the 1A max of the wall-warts. I was pretty blown away by the sonic improvements! It was like the focus knob was tuned in better with a greater effect at the frequency extremes… from mid-bass down and upper-mids up. WOAH! Nice. I expected some change, but nothing of this magnitude. I played around with different power supply options and ended up with adding a 325F Ultracap pair at the output of the 5V supply to the output side FMC (Delock) and using a 12V Jameco linear regulated wall-wart (modified as above with the output voltage reset to 9V) into a 5V 6||LT3045 board from MPAudio.net on the input side FMC (TrendNet). Overall changes from adding the optical network link into my control connection, while not as large as the initial addition the ERs, was similar in effect. Backgrounds are blacker and quieter, details are more defined and pop with dynamics, apparent music density and complexity increased, emotiveness is enhanced, and the music becomes an even more compelling listen. AND that wireless router is ONLY used for control signals and not involved in the connection from the music server. Interesting! Finally I played with Ethernet cables. I am a heretic on cables from my ERs to my endpoints. When I first installed the ERs, after some experimentation with what I had around and trying some of the trendy low-cost cables, I settled on a Baaske Ethernet filter, the cable that came with it (which has a ferrite core built onto the cable), and a very short 6” patch cable from Amazon:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OJYZMFG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 which bettered some other inexpensive yet trendy ones in that length to my ears into the ER. In my setups, to my ears, and with my listening bias, that combo produced the most realistic sound, even though everyone else who mentioned having an Ethernet filter before the ER took theirs out. I duplicated that combo from the Delock FMC to the ER. Nothing I tried sounded better and I left it as I started. I have more power options to try and other configurations, including those mentioned above along with duplicating the FMC string between the Zotac music server and the ER. BUT I am ECSTATIC with what I’ve gotten so far, with no expenditure of $$$, just repurposing some gear I had sitting around. My moral is… Whatever you have waiting in the wings, give it a try. It may be a wild success! Greg in Mississippi P.S. I am not a cable scoffer, I am VERY picky about what cables and wires I use. I know I can buy some fabulous Ethernet cables and I have no quibble with what people report, but just not going to spend $$$ there. Just chosing where to spend my upgrade $$$. Jud, PYP, Superdad and 3 others 3 2 1 Everything Matters! 2 systems... Well-Tempered Refs->ET-2.5->DIY or Lounge LCR MkII phono stages Standalone digital Sony HAP Z1-ES or SDTrans384/Soekris DAM DAC Networked digital Zotac PI320-W2 LMS Server -> EtherRegen -> USBBridge Sig -> Katana / Ian GB / Soerkis / Buffalo-IIIPro DACs Passive S&B TX102 TVC or ladder attenuators -> BHK-250 -> Eminent Tech LFT-VIII / IV / VI ALL gear modified / DIY'd; cables MIT; all supplies DIY’d or LPS-1.2s w/HUGE Ultracaps; Audio gear on DIY AC filters + PS Aud P15s; misc gear on separate AC w/filters Link to comment
R1200CL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 20 hours ago, rossb said: The ER was bought in March last year. I assume it is under warranty - I think I will be sending it back to Uptone for repair/replacement. Please email Alex and send him details about your network and equipment in use. I’m still thinking you have a network issue. Suggestion for a test: Purchase the cheapest used switch you can find. Replace it with EtherRegen, assuming everything else is the same. Still problems ? Or remove/disconnect everything from network, and connect EtherRegen and then another device and test. Also, if you lately added lights, like some cheap Xmas lights, or anything dimmable or remote controlled, those item can in some rare cases cause issues. Link to comment
rossb Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 It's not a network issue. The network works fine without the ER connected. I swapped in a conventional switch where the ER used to be and everything is working without problem. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, rossb said: I swapped in a conventional switch where the ER used to be and everything is working without problem. I agree that’s pointing towards the EtherRegen. How so you power it ? Link to comment
Superdad Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 1/3/2021 at 2:58 AM, rossb said: Thanks, but that’s not quite the problem. The eR is working fine. But it causes my modem/router to lose the internet connection when it is connected to the network. Hi Ross: Sorry you are having difficulty. Hard to fathom how the attachment of an EtherREGEN could cause your modem/router upstream to fail. Saw your e-mail from yesterday (Sunday) and I’ll be contacting you. Please be patient as today is my first day back in the office since December 18th and after triaging 200+ messages (a lot of junk) I am down to a still daunting pile of about 45 which require personal reply. Everything from JS-2 order inquires, to long messages seeking advice regarding EtherREGEN usage, to users with connectivity issues. I will reply to trouble issues first, but am starting with the earliest from late-December. Thanks and Happy New Years all, --Alex C. UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
rossb Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Thanks, Alex. It's not urgent, so please respond when you can but no hurry. Link to comment
rossb Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 I've just reinstalled the ER again and it seems to be working without any problem. I'll give it some time but hopefully that means any issue has been resolved and it was just one of those things ... Superdad 1 Link to comment
rossb Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 I think I spoke too soon. The ER seems to stop working after a while. It does get very hot - I wonder if it is overheating ...? This is using a 7v power supply. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, rossb said: This is using a 7v power supply. Do you have a 12V available? Preferably the one shipped with the EtherRegen. What is that 7V PS ? Link to comment
rossb Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Yes, I tried my 12v Teddy Pardo with the same result. The 7v is a Sonore Signature PSU. Link to comment
Superdad Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 hours ago, rossb said: I think I spoke too soon. The ER seems to stop working after a while. It does get very hot - I wonder if it is overheating ...? This is using a 7v power supply. The normal high heat of the EtherREGEN is not the cause. I will be in contact with you later today. 5 hours ago, R1200CL said: Do you have a 12V available? Preferably the one shipped with the EtherRegen. What is that 7V PS ? The supply shipped with EtherREGEN is 7.5V. Temperature does not vary (maybe a couple of degrees) with input voltage. UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
ambre Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Hi All, What to share my experiences with an upgrade to a Supercapacitor linear Power supply with the Uptone EtherRegen. Namely the Super3 Power Supply made and sold by Farad in The Netherlands. Immediately an increase of all aspects concerning P R a T & B. In other words Pace, Rythm and Timing and the Black background. Ps.was using the standard delivered Meanwell supply. I can wholeheartedly recommend it, although not cheap, but a huge improvement in sound quality. Ps. Although I am Dutch, I have no involvement whatsoever with this company except as a very satisfied customer. Very best regards, Andreas kennyb123 1 Quote Ethernet::4x Bonn Silent Angel 8P, Afterdark Emperor Doublr Crown Masterclock and Cybershaft 75 Ohm,Mini Circuits convertor,Uptone EtherRegen with 75Ohm. SOTM Cat CAT 7. Audio: Auralic Vega G2.1, Cambridge Edge W, Kef Reference 3 speakers. Power: Farad super 3 (2x) , Keces P8 ( 2 Uptone LPS1.2 ) Afterdark 5V: Cables:Meicord Opal, SOTM Cat7 with filtering, Ghent Audio DC , Farad Level 2, Sharkwire speaker cable Link to comment
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