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[Avalfa]

13 hours ago, chungjh said:

Avalfa

 

WOW, $2500 for an ethernet cable? Do you have it on both sides of ER?

No Just one, between b-side and streamer.

 

(Price in NL is €1750 so not even close to $2500😉)

[ASRMichael]

3 minutes ago, Avalfa said:

No Just one, between b-side and streamer.

 

(Price in NL is €1750 so not even close to $2500😉)

You could have bought 3 Sablon Ethernet cables for that price! 🤣

[Avalfa]

6 minutes ago, ASRMichael said:

You could have bought 3 Sablon Ethernet cables for that price! 🤣

Probably, but Never heard of.🤷🏻‍♂️

And after testing I wanted this one, plus I don't need three cables.

[R1200CL]

32 minutes ago, Avalfa said:

No Just one, between b-side and streamer.

 

Ethernet: Kangai ethernet is based on a Gigabit shielding concept providing 5 different shields, but it only carries 2 pairs for 100mbit connection. The pairs are also shielded from eachother which makes it a unique cable. This topology is chosen, because it's the best way to transport audio in our research. The 100mbit bandwith is more then sufficient for all audio formats. The Kangai uses pure silver and gold multistrand conductors. The silver and gold is treated in our special way to create a mono crystal wire. This cable also has a very unique grounding system to match with the Kangai power cords.
 

It would be very interesting to know if the plugs are connected. Are you able to use a ohm meter and find out ?

 

[chungjh]

Avalfa

 

What streamer/DAC are you using?

[Avalfa]

Just now, chungjh said:

Avalfa

 

What streamer/DAC are you using?

Audionet DNP

[chungjh]

Can someone recommend a more modestly priced high quality ethernet cable for ER? ASR mentioned Sablon for $375. Any others?

[MarkusBarkus]

How about Triode Wirelabs "Freedom" ethernet cable for $250.00? Very nice cable, IMO.

https://triodewirelabs.com/product/freedom-ethernet-cable/

[ASRMichael]

5 minutes ago, chungjh said:

Can someone recommend a more modestly priced high quality ethernet cable for ER? ASR mentioned Sablon for $375. Any others?

If you looking for a really good quality for the price then look up MeiCord Ethernet cable. 

[Avalfa]

39 minutes ago, chungjh said:

Can someone recommend a more modestly priced high quality ethernet cable for ER? ASR mentioned Sablon for $375. Any others?

I would go for Wireworld starlight 8 in that case some where between €220-250 if I remember well.

 

Very good price-quality wise.

[BigAlMc]

46 minutes ago, chungjh said:

Can someone recommend a more modestly priced high quality ethernet cable for ER? ASR mentioned Sablon for $375. Any others?

 

+1 on the Sablon

 

I have the Sablon USB and LAN cables and they are very nice. I'm not even considering any other cables as these are just so good.

 

Cheers,

Alan

[R1200CL]

50 minutes ago, chungjh said:

Can someone recommend a more modestly priced high quality ethernet cable for ER? ASR mentioned Sablon for $375. Any others?

https://www.ghentaudio.com/pc/et11.html

 

You can even ask him to make a 100MHz version. 
 

No need to spend more 😀

Blue Jeans as an option. Probably also Supra. 

[sbilotta]

Just now, BigAlMc said:

 

+1 on the Sablon

 

 

another +1

[Discopants]

Supra is supposed to be better than most at the budget end and outperforms cables 4 or 5 times more expensive allegedly. I have AQ  vodka which I picked up 50% off retail 2nd hand i cant say it was noticably better than chord c stream that it replaced. Sablon has plenty of fans as you can see, I might try one of those 1 day.

[DaveF]

I use Blue Jeans cat 6a in my system 

works for me and they are cheap.

you get a print out with measurements for every patchcord that you buy.

Im still waiting for my ER to arrive.  So curious if it improves SQ.

david

[chungjh]

Has anyone recently tried 2x ER? Some blogs indicated that it may be better than 1x ER.

[Pokey77]

On 10/9/2020 at 8:32 AM, sbilotta said:

read this if you're interested in 2 ERs working together:

https://community.naimaudio.com/t/one-step-forward-er-lpsu/10204/280?u

@chungjh

 

This was posted on the prior page. It may answer your question.

[Pokey77]

8 hours ago, Discopants said:

Supra is supposed to be better than most at the budget end and outperforms cables 4 or 5 times more expensive allegedly. I have AQ  vodka which I picked up 50% off retail 2nd hand i cant say it was noticably better than chord c stream that it replaced. Sablon has plenty of fans as you can see, I might try one of those 1 day.

I have used Monoprice Cat 5e, Cable Matters 8, and Supra 8+. Both the CM and Supra are better than the Monoprice, but I consistently liked the Supra 8+ better. I may try the Ghent Audio cable at some point, but I'm pretty happy with Supra @ $50/meter. You can find them on eBay.

[chungjh]

31 minutes ago, Pokey77 said:

@chungjh

 

This was posted on the prior page. It may answer your question.

Yes, I saw that. I was just wondering if others also hear an upgrade with 2x ER.

[kennyb123]

9 hours ago, chungjh said:

Can someone recommend a more modestly priced high quality ethernet cable for ER? ASR mentioned Sablon for $375. Any others?

On another forum it was mentioned that team at Shunyata had a goal for their Ethernet cables.  If I recall correctly, the goal was that their least expensive Ethernet cable (Venom) had to beat the top Ethernet cable from Audioquest. Apparently they wouldn’t have come out with their own Ethernet cables if they weren’t able to achieve that goal. 
 

The Venom is $350.  I have no idea how it compares to the Sablon.  

[Jud]

9 hours ago, R1200CL said:

https://www.ghentaudio.com/pc/et11.html

 

You can even ask him to make a 100MHz version. 
 

No need to spend more 😀

Blue Jeans as an option. Probably also Supra. 

 

+1

[seeteeyou]

FYI - interesting read about comparisons between Sablon 2020 USB / Ethernet and Final Touch Audio USB / Ethernet cables here

 

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/innuos-phoenix-usb-reclocker.942986/#post-15893721

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I also did some quick a/b comparisons between the FTA ethernet and Sablon ethernet (between Uptone ER and sms-200 ultra neo) and it is close but in the end I also give the edge to the FTA ethernet.

 

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Recently the owner of CelAudio tested about 20 brands of cables with quite a few switches. Their own nSwitch, Telegärtner M12 Switch Gold, Melco S100, enterprise-grade Extreme10G switch, two different H3C switches, EtherREGEN, and finally a switch from Ruijie Networks

 

http://www.headphoneclub.com/thread-739319-1-1.html

 

Among those affordable cables, the winners turned out to be L-Cubic CAT8 and multiple flavors from Panduit.

 

L-Cubic CAT8 as follows

 

http://www.l-cubic.com/about-eh.html

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=568287027300

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=619206410783

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=619497813454

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/L-CUBIC-CAT8-network-cable-corrosion_62086937360.html

https://icubic.en.alibaba.com/product/62018523891-811409050/L_CUBIC_utp_rj45_cat8_network_cable_cat_8_ethernet_cable_cat8_patch_cord_cable.html

 

More about Panduit below

 

http://www.headphoneclub.com/thread-729682-1-1.html

http://www.headphoneclub.com/thread-730520-1-1.html

http://erji.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2200319&page=1#pid33239696

https://www.panduit.com/en/products/copper-systems/patch-cords-accessories/patch-cords.html

https://www.panduit.com/en/products/copper-systems/industrial-copper-systems/industrial-copper-patch-cords.html

 

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Someone else also reported something positive about Lindy a couple of days ago

 

http://www.headphoneclub.com/thread-740402-1-1.html

 

[seeteeyou]

IMHO HDBaseT 4K transmissions should require a much more stringent quality when compared to audio transmissions, Belden seemed to be able to deliver their claims with 2183R

 

http://info.belden.com/hubfs/ESD-White-Papers/Cabling to Support 4K UHD HDBaseT Applications.pdf#page=10

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To achieve HDBaseT 4K transmission that meets the gold standard (no more than one pixel error per billion pixels received), a cable must have adequate information capacity. This information capacity is bounded by the insertion loss of the cabling and the noise external to the cabling up to a certain frequency.

 

CAT Cable Testing

https://lightware.com/support/lightware-testing-lab/cable-testing

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It is important to test the various brands of CAT cables available on the market, because only the best quality cables assure fault-free extension and proper operation according to specifications. The results of the tests we perform are continuously uploaded and made available on our webpage. Please note that we do not display data for tested CAT cables which do not pass our testing, we only list the test results for CAT cables we recommend.

 

BELDEN 2183R

https://lightware.com/media/wysiwyg/Support/Lightware_Testing_Lab/Cable_Testing/BELDEN_2183R_cable_test.pdf

[ASRMichael]

8 hours ago, chungjh said:

Yes, I saw that. I was just wondering if others also hear an upgrade with 2x ER.

I recall another member saying he tried 2, and gave an increase in SQ, but then tried 1 with Sean Jacobs LPS, and didn't notice any difference with the 2nd one. So, I suspect it's down to the quality of the LPS. 

[jos]

On 10/14/2020 at 5:08 PM, ASRMichael said:

If you looking for a really good quality for the price then look up MeiCord Ethernet cable. 

Agree, but I would mention the Supra cat8 too.