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4 hours ago, robbbby said:


Do you know the difference between the two Ghent cables? One is a cat6a made with belkin cable, other is cat8 made with linkway cable. They are both the same price. I’m a bit confused. 


Not more than you. Just purchased the one you think is best for your. 
Belden was the first one he made. It’s a well known brand and has data sheet you can study, as well as a website with a lot of information.  I guess someone liked to try another one.
 

I think you won’t notice a difference between them.

You can use search here at AS and see if you find out more. 
 

(I just google Linksys Ethernet and the answer was that Linksys use Belsen)

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On 8/26/2020 at 12:51 AM, bernardl said:

I finally got my clock cable and was able to deploy a few days ago the following configuration:

- SonoreOptical module -> fiber -> EtheRegen -> Devialet 1000 Expert Pro CI

 

Additional considerations:

- I use as external clock a Cybershaft OP21A-D with external linear power supply connected to a Shunyata Everest power conditioner with a Shunyata Venom V14 Digital cable

- The clock cable connecting the EtheRegen to the Cybershaft is a Shunyata Sigma 75 Ohm

- The Cybersharft is configured in chassis grounding mode and is grounded to the Shunyata Everest which is my common grounding reference for the whole system (this is point is in fact pretty important soundwise)

- The EtheRegen is fed by a LPS-1.2, itself connected with a Shunyata Venom V14 Digital to the Shunyata Everest

- The EtherRegen is also grounded to the Shunyata Everest

- I have designed and had 3D printed in aluminium a special heatsink cradle enhanced with copper plates to help with heat dissipation of the EtheRegen and LPS.

 

The system has been up for a few days and is starting to sound pretty good. I am coming from a truly excellent Melco S100, I am interested in seeing to what extend the EtheRegen, with arguably the best possible supporting environment money can buy, will sound like in a few days relative to the Melco.

 

Btw, the cybershaft will also be used to clock a Mutec once I get the right power supply for it.

 

Cheers,

Bernard

 


Interesting grounding. I’ve the same clock + LPS from Kenji.  He set it up per my configuration on the assumption that I’d be connecting all my equipment into my Shunyata power conditioners, which I am. He set all the GND switches to Isolate.  My assumption is that by ensuring that all devices including the LPS are connected into power conditioners which connect to wall receptacle, everything is properly grounded. Using a ground wire from the Cybershaft to the Everest ground, according to Caelin, is simply redundant. Same applies to EtherREGEN (I’m using a JS-2 for both my EtherREGEN and Roon Nucleus). 
 

What’s the reasoning and results of your setup?

Steve Schaffer

Roon Nucleus/ WD USB Drive / dCS Vivaldi Upsampler  / dCS Vivaldi DAC / dCS Vivaldi Clock / Spectral DMC-30SV preamp / Spectral DMA-500 monoblocks / Wilson Audio Alexia Series 2 speakers / Shunyata Denali - DPC6 - Sigma Ethernet / Synergistic Research Galileo interconnects / Uptone EtherREGEN switch

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On 8/31/2020 at 9:31 AM, stevebythebay said:


Interesting grounding. I’ve the same clock + LPS from Kenji.  He set it up per my configuration on the assumption that I’d be connecting all my equipment into my Shunyata power conditioners, which I am. He set all the GND switches to Isolate.  My assumption is that by ensuring that all devices including the LPS are connected into power conditioners which connect to wall receptacle, everything is properly grounded. Using a ground wire from the Cybershaft to the Everest ground, according to Caelin, is simply redundant. Same applies to EtherREGEN (I’m using a JS-2 for both my EtherREGEN and Roon Nucleus). 
 

What’s the reasoning and results of your setup?

 

Hi Steve,

 

I understand what you are saying. I was first also under the assumption that there would be no need to ground the EtheRegen and Cybershaft clock since they were both connected to the Everest through their respective LPS (inputs provided by Shunyata on audioshark forum).

 

But I wasn't quite impressed by the sound quality compared to what I was getting till then with my Melco + LPS without any clock.

 

So I tried grounding both and the sound got improved significantly in my set up. I am unable to explain why it's the case, but it was pretty clearcut.

 

As of today, I feel that the EteRegen set up is now a bit superior to the Melco, but it's probably close and my current feeling is that, in my environment, it's probably simpler and cheaper to just deploy a Melco with Uptone LPS instead of an expensive clock to drive the EtheRegen in a super optimized environment.

 

My opinion is still not final though because I am probably not fully out of burn in, and memory can be deceiving. I'll continue to listen to my list of reference recordings to confirm this opinion.

 

Cheers,

Bernard

Room: Gik Acoustics room conditioning | Power: Shunyata Omega XC + Shunyata Everest + Shunyata Sigma NR v2 power cables | Source: Mac mini with LPS running Roon core (Raat) | Ethernet: Sonore OpticalModule + Melco S10 + Shunyata Omega Ethernet | Dac/Pre/Amplification: Devialet D1000 Pro Core Infinity | Speakers: Chord Company Sarum T speaker cables + Wilson Benesch Act One Evolution P1

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Well with respect to the EtherREGEN it seems that, according to Alex, the JS-2 provides the necessary grounding for the switch, as compared to other approaches beyond the provided power dongle.  However, in my communication with both Kenji and Caelin nothing is clear cut respecting grounding.  Using a good cable from the Cybershaft chassis ground to one of the grounding posts on the Denali or Everest can improve the grounding.  

 

Your experience is instructive as to the Melco and, I assume, using the LPS 1.2, right?

 

So, I will pursue that down the road.

 

I'm still awaiting a bunch of new v2 Shunyata digital and analog cables as well as power cables.  Also, upgrading a pair of Sigma Ethernet to Omega and the Everest.  Onward and upward!

Steve Schaffer

Roon Nucleus/ WD USB Drive / dCS Vivaldi Upsampler  / dCS Vivaldi DAC / dCS Vivaldi Clock / Spectral DMC-30SV preamp / Spectral DMA-500 monoblocks / Wilson Audio Alexia Series 2 speakers / Shunyata Denali - DPC6 - Sigma Ethernet / Synergistic Research Galileo interconnects / Uptone EtherREGEN switch

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I'm considering getting a Sonore OM and using Finisar FTLF1318P3BTL SFPs. Just wanted to confirm the Finisars are compatible with the OM and ER. Or is there a better choice?

 

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2 hours ago, vgrubb said:

I'm considering getting a Sonore OM and using Finisar FTLF1318P3BTL SFPs. Just wanted to confirm the Finisars are compatible with the OM and ER. Or is there a better choice?

 

 

Hi @vgrubb

 

Yup, they are compatible, I have these Finisars and bought them to go with my OM & ER. 

 

Cheers,

Alan

Synergistic Research Powercell UEF SE > Sonore OpticalModule (LPS-1.2 & DXP-1A5DSC) > EtherRegen (SR4T & DXP-1A5DSC) > (Sablon 2020 LAN) Innuos Zenith SE server > (Sablon 2020 USB) Innuos Phoenix > (Sablon 2020 USB) PS Audio Directstream DAC > PS Audio M1200 monoblocks > Salk Sound Supercharged Songtowers

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I have the etherregen connected to HDPLEX200W (soon to be 300W) and a Shunyata CGS10 cable (Soon to be Sigma V2 CGC cable) from etherregen to Denali GND post. This improved the sound in my setup considerably, like a strong foundation in the sound. The grounding is paramount IMHO. It will be interesting to see how it improves with the Sigma CGC V2 (VTX-Ag) and yes there is an Omega CGC cable as well, I think it might have a TAP module which seems to be missing on the Sigma CGC v2.

 

I'm still waiting for my placeholder 4G clock (squarewave OXCO) and Shunyata V2 Alpha clock 75Ohm to make their entrance.

 

Headphone: JCAT Femto USB -> Mytek Liberty DAC -> Hifiman Jade II energizer with SR Orange Fuse -> Hifiman Jade II (nov '19)

HT/Streaming:Xeon ROON server -> Uptone Etherregen -> Meridian 210/ATV4K -> Meridian 861V8 Processor/UHD722 HDMI upsampler -> Meridian DSP 8000SE/7200SE/5200SE Speakers. Sim2 HT380 1080P Projector with T2 Optics. XEIT Anamorphic lens. Stewart CineCurve Studiotek 130 Screen.

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I just tried an akiko audio castello grounding block here for the last few weeks had the Etherregen,  the TV and the Lyngdorf TDAI3400 connected to it. 

 

If it was doing anything it was very marginal. Thought it improved piano tone a tiny bit and bass a tiny bit but not convinced that I wasn't imagining even that. 

 

I do run 4 different power conditioners and star grounding and the Etherregen, guessing that I'm hitting stuff at source.

 

I still need to put my Chinese clock in the system.

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You're both going to love what the clock does for the ER.  Enjoy!

TP-Link MR6400 4G router > Uptone EtherREGEN reclocker > Asus TBS/Volumio streamer > Mutec MC-3+ USB reclocker > LKS MH-DA004 DAC > Burson AB-160 XLR buffer > Belles SA-100 power amp > Usher Dancer Be-20 speakers. BG7TBL master clock. PS Audio P3 & P10 regenerators AudioQuest, Coherent, MCRU & Wireworld cables

https://theaudiostandard.net

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No, I have not obtained a remarkable gain in SQ with a Zerozone LPS powering my router. This was in contrast to the ER powered by an LPS of the same brand which showed an immediately audible improvement compared to the standard power supply. Ymmv...

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I found that the lower cost LPS (such as those made in China), aren’t great and can be quite polarizing depending on what they are feeding. For example, I have a cheap LPS that makes one of my Topping D50s sound a little better than an smps. But that same LPS makes my router sound worse than the the stock SMPS it came with.  But then all the higher quality LPS’s I have (uptone js2, LPS 1.2, SR4, etc) make everything including that router sound significantly better than the SMPS. So I found that with cheap LPS, ymmv and can even sound worse.  Higher quality LPS’s have always been an upgrade in my experience, and higher the quality, the better the sound.

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1 hour ago, chungjh said:

Some of you have suggested having an LPS drive the router as well as the ER. Have people noticed that the LPS for the router makes a significant SQ upgrade?

Yes, I use Sean Jacobs rails for my router & EtherRegen. Use same LPS if you can for all devices. 

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7 minutes ago, chungjh said:

How does Sean Jacobs compared to the other popular LPS such as SR4T, Farad s3...?

I’ve not heard SR4-T or Farad s3, but if you search the forum you’ll see Positive reviews everywhere. I use 2 x DC3, 11 rails in total. DC4 is expensive but leads the way! 

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13 minutes ago, chungjh said:

Which DC3 specification? 12V/1.5A?

You get can any spec you like, I have 1 LPS with 7 rails, 5amp version. & 4 rail 10 amp version. 
 

check out my profile & you’ll see different voltages per rail. 

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2 hours ago, chungjh said:

Some of you have suggested having an LPS drive the router as well as the ER. Have people noticed that the LPS for the router makes a significant SQ upgrade?

I have an HDPlex 200w with an ASUS AC87R router on the 19v rail and a Netgear DOCSIS 3.1 modem on the 12v.  No difference that I can tell at all.  If the HDPlex hadn’t been a spare that needed something to do, I would consider this a disappointing “upgrade.”
 

In contrast, my Etherregen, optical module, ultraRendu and microrendu all have benefited from my UpTone LPS1 and LPS1.2 upgrades, so I am not someone who pooh-poohs LPS substitution in other settings.

Living room:  Synology 218+ NAS > NUC 10 i7> Roon/Audirvana/JRiver Media Server > ASUS AC-87R Router > Netgear GS348 Switch > EtherRegen > Sonore Signature Rendu SE Tier 2 > Wyred4Sound 10th Anniversary DAC > Wyred4Sound STI-500 > Revel F32 Concertas

 

Basement:  Synology 218+ NAS > NUC 10 i7>Roon/Audirvana/JRiver Media Server > ASUS AC-87R Router > Netgear GS348 Switch >TrendNet FMC>Sonore OpticalModule> UltraRendu > NuPrime IDA-8 > KEF LS50's

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On 9/13/2020 at 12:45 PM, ASRMichael said:

I use 7v 3amp on the LPS rail

 

Just curious:  Did you try other voltages before settling upon 7v?  

Mola Mola Tambaqui / Kubala-Sosna XLR / Mola Mola Kaluga / KS biwire / B&W 803 D3

Ethernet:  iMac/Roon > ... in-wall 5e ... > Sonore opticalModule [Sonore 5V LPS] > UpTone EtherREGEN + Cybershaft OP13 [UpTone JS-2 LPS] > Tambaqui ( = DAC/Roon Endpoint/preamp)

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On 9/13/2020 at 5:45 PM, chungjh said:

Some of you have suggested having an LPS drive the router as well as the ER. Have people noticed that the LPS for the router makes a significant SQ upgrade?

 

I'm running my TP-Link MR6400 router from a Paul Hynes PR3iEHD.  Yes, it made a difference over even the Chinese LPSU I was using before.

TP-Link MR6400 4G router > Uptone EtherREGEN reclocker > Asus TBS/Volumio streamer > Mutec MC-3+ USB reclocker > LKS MH-DA004 DAC > Burson AB-160 XLR buffer > Belles SA-100 power amp > Usher Dancer Be-20 speakers. BG7TBL master clock. PS Audio P3 & P10 regenerators AudioQuest, Coherent, MCRU & Wireworld cables

https://theaudiostandard.net

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