The EtherREGEN thread for various network, cable, power experiences and experiments

[R1200CL]

4 hours ago, robbbby said:

Do you know the difference between the two Ghent cables? One is a cat6a made with belkin cable, other is cat8 made with linkway cable. They are both the same price. I’m a bit confused. 

Not more than you. Just purchased the one you think is best for your. 
Belden was the first one he made. It’s a well known brand and has data sheet you can study, as well as a website with a lot of information.  I guess someone liked to try another one.
 

I think you won’t notice a difference between them.

You can use search here at AS and see if you find out more. 
 

(I just google Linksys Ethernet and the answer was that Linksys use Belsen)

[stevebythebay]

On 8/26/2020 at 12:51 AM, bernardl said:

I finally got my clock cable and was able to deploy a few days ago the following configuration:

- SonoreOptical module -> fiber -> EtheRegen -> Devialet 1000 Expert Pro CI

 

Additional considerations:

- I use as external clock a Cybershaft OP21A-D with external linear power supply connected to a Shunyata Everest power conditioner with a Shunyata Venom V14 Digital cable

- The clock cable connecting the EtheRegen to the Cybershaft is a Shunyata Sigma 75 Ohm

- The Cybersharft is configured in chassis grounding mode and is grounded to the Shunyata Everest which is my common grounding reference for the whole system (this is point is in fact pretty important soundwise)

- The EtheRegen is fed by a LPS-1.2, itself connected with a Shunyata Venom V14 Digital to the Shunyata Everest

- The EtherRegen is also grounded to the Shunyata Everest

- I have designed and had 3D printed in aluminium a special heatsink cradle enhanced with copper plates to help with heat dissipation of the EtheRegen and LPS.

 

The system has been up for a few days and is starting to sound pretty good. I am coming from a truly excellent Melco S100, I am interested in seeing to what extend the EtheRegen, with arguably the best possible supporting environment money can buy, will sound like in a few days relative to the Melco.

 

Btw, the cybershaft will also be used to clock a Mutec once I get the right power supply for it.

 

Cheers,

Bernard

 

Interesting grounding. I’ve the same clock + LPS from Kenji.  He set it up per my configuration on the assumption that I’d be connecting all my equipment into my Shunyata power conditioners, which I am. He set all the GND switches to Isolate.  My assumption is that by ensuring that all devices including the LPS are connected into power conditioners which connect to wall receptacle, everything is properly grounded. Using a ground wire from the Cybershaft to the Everest ground, according to Caelin, is simply redundant. Same applies to EtherREGEN (I’m using a JS-2 for both my EtherREGEN and Roon Nucleus). 
 

What’s the reasoning and results of your setup?

[bernardl]

On 8/31/2020 at 9:31 AM, stevebythebay said:

Interesting grounding. I’ve the same clock + LPS from Kenji.  He set it up per my configuration on the assumption that I’d be connecting all my equipment into my Shunyata power conditioners, which I am. He set all the GND switches to Isolate.  My assumption is that by ensuring that all devices including the LPS are connected into power conditioners which connect to wall receptacle, everything is properly grounded. Using a ground wire from the Cybershaft to the Everest ground, according to Caelin, is simply redundant. Same applies to EtherREGEN (I’m using a JS-2 for both my EtherREGEN and Roon Nucleus). 
 

What’s the reasoning and results of your setup?

 

Hi Steve,

 

I understand what you are saying. I was first also under the assumption that there would be no need to ground the EtheRegen and Cybershaft clock since they were both connected to the Everest through their respective LPS (inputs provided by Shunyata on audioshark forum).

 

But I wasn't quite impressed by the sound quality compared to what I was getting till then with my Melco + LPS without any clock.

 

So I tried grounding both and the sound got improved significantly in my set up. I am unable to explain why it's the case, but it was pretty clearcut.

 

As of today, I feel that the EteRegen set up is now a bit superior to the Melco, but it's probably close and my current feeling is that, in my environment, it's probably simpler and cheaper to just deploy a Melco with Uptone LPS instead of an expensive clock to drive the EtheRegen in a super optimized environment.

 

My opinion is still not final though because I am probably not fully out of burn in, and memory can be deceiving. I'll continue to listen to my list of reference recordings to confirm this opinion.

 

Cheers,

Bernard

[stevebythebay]

Well with respect to the EtherREGEN it seems that, according to Alex, the JS-2 provides the necessary grounding for the switch, as compared to other approaches beyond the provided power dongle.  However, in my communication with both Kenji and Caelin nothing is clear cut respecting grounding.  Using a good cable from the Cybershaft chassis ground to one of the grounding posts on the Denali or Everest can improve the grounding.  

 

Your experience is instructive as to the Melco and, I assume, using the LPS 1.2, right?

 

So, I will pursue that down the road.

 

I'm still awaiting a bunch of new v2 Shunyata digital and analog cables as well as power cables.  Also, upgrading a pair of Sigma Ethernet to Omega and the Everest.  Onward and upward!

[vgrubb]

I'm considering getting a Sonore OM and using Finisar FTLF1318P3BTL SFPs. Just wanted to confirm the Finisars are compatible with the OM and ER. Or is there a better choice?

 

[BigAlMc]

2 hours ago, vgrubb said:

I'm considering getting a Sonore OM and using Finisar FTLF1318P3BTL SFPs. Just wanted to confirm the Finisars are compatible with the OM and ER. Or is there a better choice?

 

 

Hi @vgrubb

 

Yup, they are compatible, I have these Finisars and bought them to go with my OM & ER. 

 

Cheers,

Alan

[vgrubb]

Thanks Alan

[crion]

I have the etherregen connected to HDPLEX200W (soon to be 300W) and a Shunyata CGS10 cable (Soon to be Sigma V2 CGC cable) from etherregen to Denali GND post. This improved the sound in my setup considerably, like a strong foundation in the sound. The grounding is paramount IMHO. It will be interesting to see how it improves with the Sigma CGC V2 (VTX-Ag) and yes there is an Omega CGC cable as well, I think it might have a TAP module which seems to be missing on the Sigma CGC v2.

 

I'm still waiting for my placeholder 4G clock (squarewave OXCO) and Shunyata V2 Alpha clock 75Ohm to make their entrance.

 

[Discopants]

I just tried an akiko audio castello grounding block here for the last few weeks had the Etherregen,  the TV and the Lyngdorf TDAI3400 connected to it. 

 

If it was doing anything it was very marginal. Thought it improved piano tone a tiny bit and bass a tiny bit but not convinced that I wasn't imagining even that. 

 

I do run 4 different power conditioners and star grounding and the Etherregen, guessing that I'm hitting stuff at source.

 

I still need to put my Chinese clock in the system.

[MartinT]

You're both going to love what the clock does for the ER.  Enjoy!

[chungjh]

Some of you have suggested having an LPS drive the router as well as the ER. Have people noticed that the LPS for the router makes a significant SQ upgrade?

[Horse Tea]

No, I have not obtained a remarkable gain in SQ with a Zerozone LPS powering my router. This was in contrast to the ER powered by an LPS of the same brand which showed an immediately audible improvement compared to the standard power supply. Ymmv...

[k27R]

I found that the lower cost LPS (such as those made in China), aren’t great and can be quite polarizing depending on what they are feeding. For example, I have a cheap LPS that makes one of my Topping D50s sound a little better than an smps. But that same LPS makes my router sound worse than the the stock SMPS it came with.  But then all the higher quality LPS’s I have (uptone js2, LPS 1.2, SR4, etc) make everything including that router sound significantly better than the SMPS. So I found that with cheap LPS, ymmv and can even sound worse.  Higher quality LPS’s have always been an upgrade in my experience, and higher the quality, the better the sound.

[ASRMichael]

1 hour ago, chungjh said:

Some of you have suggested having an LPS drive the router as well as the ER. Have people noticed that the LPS for the router makes a significant SQ upgrade?

Yes, I use Sean Jacobs rails for my router & EtherRegen. Use same LPS if you can for all devices. 

[chungjh]

How does Sean Jacobs compared to the other popular LPS such as SR4T, Farad s3...?

[ASRMichael]

7 minutes ago, chungjh said:

How does Sean Jacobs compared to the other popular LPS such as SR4T, Farad s3...?

I’ve not heard SR4-T or Farad s3, but if you search the forum you’ll see Positive reviews everywhere. I use 2 x DC3, 11 rails in total. DC4 is expensive but leads the way! 

[chungjh]

Which DC3 specification? 12V/1.5A?

[ASRMichael]

13 minutes ago, chungjh said:

Which DC3 specification? 12V/1.5A?

You get can any spec you like, I have 1 LPS with 7 rails, 5amp version. & 4 rail 10 amp version. 
 

check out my profile & you’ll see different voltages per rail. 

[chungjh]

I mean for Etheregen?

[Mike Rubin]

2 hours ago, chungjh said:

Some of you have suggested having an LPS drive the router as well as the ER. Have people noticed that the LPS for the router makes a significant SQ upgrade?

I have an HDPlex 200w with an ASUS AC87R router on the 19v rail and a Netgear DOCSIS 3.1 modem on the 12v.  No difference that I can tell at all.  If the HDPlex hadn’t been a spare that needed something to do, I would consider this a disappointing “upgrade.”
 

In contrast, my Etherregen, optical module, ultraRendu and microrendu all have benefited from my UpTone LPS1 and LPS1.2 upgrades, so I am not someone who pooh-poohs LPS substitution in other settings.

[ASRMichael]

24 minutes ago, chungjh said:

I mean for Etheregen?

I use 7v 3amp on the LPS rail

[PYP]

On 9/13/2020 at 12:45 PM, ASRMichael said:

I use 7v 3amp on the LPS rail

 

Just curious:  Did you try other voltages before settling upon 7v?  

[ASRMichael]

1 hour ago, PYP said:

 

Just curious:  Did you try other voltages before settling upon 7v?  

No, just went with 7v. Lottery pick!

[MartinT]

On 9/13/2020 at 5:45 PM, chungjh said:

Some of you have suggested having an LPS drive the router as well as the ER. Have people noticed that the LPS for the router makes a significant SQ upgrade?

 

I'm running my TP-Link MR6400 router from a Paul Hynes PR3iEHD.  Yes, it made a difference over even the Chinese LPSU I was using before.

[crion]

I actually have an Ifi IpowerX 12V on the Uptone Etherregen now and it was an improvement actually from the HDPLEX 200W I used previously IMHO and much cheaper. I'm awaiting the new HDPLEX 300W and will do a comparison then.

 

The chinese 4G 10MHz clock is here and I think that this actually seem in some way benefit my whole setup. I can't really explain it but it is like something is bringing coherence with perfect timing to both video and audio... I will put it on my new HDPLEX 300W when I receive it as well. Right now a 200W HDPLEX is running most of the network stuff.

 

I'm also awaiting a Shunyata CGC Sigma grounding cable for the ER and will then put the older Shunyata CGS10 cable on the chinese clock. Also the Shunyata Alpha clock v2 75Ohm is coming sometime. Right now using a frankenstein 75Ohm Neutrik RCA coax into BNC adapters. I'm guessing the comparison to Shunyata Alpha v2 clock 75Ohm wont' be fair. ;-)