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I finally managed to connect my Ubiquiti X-SFP router to the audio network and EtherREGEN's SFP-port - by single-mode SFP's and a single-mode optical cable. Coached and instructed by user octaviars until everything was up and running. The trick was configuring the Ubiquiti's SFP-port setup (on browser)  - and swapping ends of the single-mode optical cable so that EtherREGEN's SFP was using Blue cable end (UPC) and Ubiquiti the Green (APC). Bingo!

 

So how does it sound? Well, in my system the internet connection via EtherREGEN is actually only for being able to manage my Mac Mini and EtherREGEN's attached devices (NAS, UltraRendu etc). But it did have an impact on sound quality: Blacker background, better female voices, more dynamics, especially in low frequencies and improved overall clarity - it sounds more like "analog".

 

The question is if the improvements I hear is caused by the absence of a "dirty" regular internet connection to EtherREGEN and A-side connected devices - or is it the galvanic isolated single-mode fibre connection? I listened for eventual "trade-offs" or something missing, but couldn't find anything. I will call it a great improvement.


PS! I have ordered a set of regular duplex SFP's and optical cable - just to be on the safe side...

UpTone JS-2 LPS (powering EtherREGEN / Mac Mini + NAS) > Mac Mini (UpTone MMK) > UpTone EtherREGEN > WD-NAS > Ubiquiti X-SFP Router > Cisco 2960 (SFP > eR SFP) > Sonore UltraRendu (LPS-1.2) > UpTone IsoREGEN (LPS-1.2) > Denafrips Pontus R2R DAC > Conrad Johnson PV10 > QUAD 405-2 > SoundLab Dynastat Electrostatic/Hybride Speakers > Cables: Sablon Audio / Ghent Audio (JSSG360) / AudioQuest / PS Audio / Transparent / Nordost

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I finally got my clock cable and was able to deploy a few days ago the following configuration:

- SonoreOptical module -> fiber -> EtheRegen -> Devialet 1000 Expert Pro CI

 

Additional considerations:

- I use as external clock a Cybershaft OP21A-D with external linear power supply connected to a Shunyata Everest power conditioner with a Shunyata Venom V14 Digital cable

- The clock cable connecting the EtheRegen to the Cybershaft is a Shunyata Sigma 75 Ohm

- The Cybersharft is configured in chassis grounding mode and is grounded to the Shunyata Everest which is my common grounding reference for the whole system (this is point is in fact pretty important soundwise)

- The EtheRegen is fed by a LPS-1.2, itself connected with a Shunyata Venom V14 Digital to the Shunyata Everest

- The EtherRegen is also grounded to the Shunyata Everest

- I have designed and had 3D printed in aluminium a special heatsink cradle enhanced with copper plates to help with heat dissipation of the EtheRegen and LPS.

 

The system has been up for a few days and is starting to sound pretty good. I am coming from a truly excellent Melco S100, I am interested in seeing to what extend the EtheRegen, with arguably the best possible supporting environment money can buy, will sound like in a few days relative to the Melco.

 

Btw, the cybershaft will also be used to clock a Mutec once I get the right power supply for it.

 

Cheers,

Bernard

 

Room: Gik Acoustics room conditioning | Power: Shunyata Omega XC + Shunyata Everest + Shunyata Sigma NR v2 power cables | Source: Mac mini with LPS running Roon core (Raat) | Ethernet: Sonore OpticalModule + Melco S10 + Shunyata Omega Ethernet | Dac/Pre/Amplification: Devialet D1000 Pro Core Infinity | Speakers: Chord Company Sarum T speaker cables + Wilson Benesch Act One Evolution P1

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So I just purchased an etherregen to go between my ubiquiti switch and roon endpoint which is a xeon computer running audio linux with a sotm usb card.

 

I started reading this thread to look for cabling advice, but after a couple hours I was only 1/3 of the way through and already so very, very confused between cat6a/cat7/cat8 cables, cables with metal connectors, fully shielded cables, different shielded types of cables on different sides of the ER, etc.

 

My switch is in the basement 65' away, it's just a regular cat6 I ran and terminated myself.  I've been looking on amazon for a better quality, pre-terminated cable to run.  And also a shorter 1mtr cable to go from ER to computer.

 

I will over the weekend continue reading through the thread when I have free time, but in the meantime is there anything that most people have agreed upon in terms of cable type and/or brand? I'd appreciate any extra advice or help while I slowly try and sort through this thread.

 

Thanks

 

 

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22 minutes ago, ASRMichael said:

Sablon Ethernet, it’s expensive but you’ll never have an itch to upgrade again. 

 

Are these available to demo?

Mola Mola Tambaqui / Kubala-Sosna XLR / Mola Mola Kaluga / KS biwire / B&W 803 D3

Ethernet:  iMac/Roon > ... in-wall 5e ... > Sonore opticalModule [Sonore 5V LPS] > UpTone EtherREGEN + Cybershaft OP13 [UpTone JS-2 LPS] > Tambaqui ( = DAC/Roon Endpoint/preamp)

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2 hours ago, ASRMichael said:

Ask Mark at Sablon, he usually has a demo cable. 

I am sorry Michael, but I didn’t find the Sablon page. What’s the price of a Sablon 2020 panatela reserva? It’s this cable isn’t it?

Thank you Jorge

AMP: Electrocompaniet ECI-6D; DAC: Oppo 205 (modded); ECI-6D

Streamer/endpoint: Zen MKIII/ultraRendu; Speakers: Proac Tablette Reference 8 Signature; Cables: Speakers (Acoustic Revive) + RCA (au24sx) + RJ45 (Vodka Audioquest) + USB (Diamond Audioquest) + Power (Pangea's + Actinote's) + iR&oM (Neotech 16AWG OCC Silver + DC 4); Filters/reclockers: Jensen VRD- iFF + Pink Faun Isolator + Acoustic Revive RGC-24 + HMS “The Perfect Match” + isoRegen; Switch: etherRegen + opticalModule; Cisco 2960; LPS: Sboosters MKI & MKII (+ ultra) + HDplex 200 + LPS 1.2

 

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7 hours ago, R1200CL said:

 

Many is happy with Supra cable. 
And you won’t go wrong with this one:

https://www.ghentaudio.com/pc/et11.html

 

Your 65 feet cable is probably OK, as long you terminated it correctly. 
You can use The OpticalModule > fiber > EtherRegen. Read The EtherRegen review. 

 

 

 

 

I guess my other question is with cables that are fully shielded/grounded from tip to tip.  Are these ok from ER to computer?  I saw some people try and cut the shield on one end or tape over the metal connector. Others say it's ok because of how the ER is isolated?

Was any of this confirmed in the dozens of other pages of this thread?

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1 hour ago, ASRMichael said:

http://sablonaudio.com
 

email Mark and ask for quote. 

Thank you so much Michael! 👍

AMP: Electrocompaniet ECI-6D; DAC: Oppo 205 (modded); ECI-6D

Streamer/endpoint: Zen MKIII/ultraRendu; Speakers: Proac Tablette Reference 8 Signature; Cables: Speakers (Acoustic Revive) + RCA (au24sx) + RJ45 (Vodka Audioquest) + USB (Diamond Audioquest) + Power (Pangea's + Actinote's) + iR&oM (Neotech 16AWG OCC Silver + DC 4); Filters/reclockers: Jensen VRD- iFF + Pink Faun Isolator + Acoustic Revive RGC-24 + HMS “The Perfect Match” + isoRegen; Switch: etherRegen + opticalModule; Cisco 2960; LPS: Sboosters MKI & MKII (+ ultra) + HDplex 200 + LPS 1.2

 

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My etherRegen is en route and should arrive Monday, barring any FedEx problems through Memphis with Hurricane Laura.

 

Anyway I had planned to use the eR from my Orbi satellite into my Naim Uniti Nova from the B port and my Orbi and Innuos from the A ports as suggested by Alex. 

 

However I am now considering making room for some additional boxes and would need to move my Innuos into another room, which means the eR will be only between the Orbi and the Naim. Since the Innuos will be in another room, would there be further benefit by running a second eR in that room from the router (A) and the Innuos (B)? Or is it far enough removed from the signal chain on the Naim that it wouldn't be a worthwhile investment?

 

In my case the Innuos (Zen MK III) is used only as a Roon Core and the Uniti Nova is the streamer/player. 

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I am just about to upgrade both my cable modem and my router, respectively, to the   MOTOROLA MB8600 DOCSIS 3.1 and the ASUS RT-AX3000 Dual Band WiFi Router. Would there be any special advantage in linking the modem and the router with an Audiophile RJ45 noise reducing cable, even if I have both an Etherregen and an optical module also linked in the chain downstream and feeding my Metrum Ambre streamer (Roonbridge)?

 

I should add that the idea of connecting the modem to the router with a noise attenuating RJ45 cable is not only meant to have some impact on these exclusively audio SQ dedicated components (such as the ER and OM), I am also thinking it might have some positive effect on other AV components in my house in general, components that are  hooked up to the router, but not to the chain in which the Etherrtegen and the Optical Module are located.  These are typical AV components such as my Oppo 203 Blu ray player, or my LG Oled TV, as well as some AV streamers such as Apple TV 4k, that are connected with them.  In other words, will a noise-attenuating audiophile RJ45 cable (connecting a modem to a router) also have an enhancing effect on the picture quality of a TV, a streamer, or blu ray blu ray player that are hooked up to the router, assuming that all of these components are plugged into power conditioners?

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1 hour ago, sahmen said:

Would there be any special advantage in linking the modem and the router with an Audiophile RJ45 noise reducing cable


No, I dont think so. Use a good off the shelf 1 or 2 meter cable. 
And better power supplies on those units wouldn’t help either 😀

 

You could add a switch where your TV and those other things are. Even experiment with the etherRegen there, in order to buy a second one. 
 

You could also add an FMC after your router. Then fiber direct to a etherRegen or OM or anything that accepts fiber in, and have enough RJ45 plugs out at the TV area. 
 

Don’t expect to much. (Unless you’re going for a second etherRegen). There is another tread about etherRegen and TV. 
 

If you haven’t purchased the router yet, you may try to find one with SFP interface. 

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2 hours ago, sahmen said:

I am just about to upgrade both my cable modem and my router, respectively, to the   MOTOROLA MB8600 DOCSIS 3.1 and the ASUS RT-AX3000 Dual Band WiFi Router. Would there be any special advantage in linking the modem and the router with an Audiophile RJ45 noise reducing cable, even if I have both an Etherregen and an optical module also linked in the chain downstream and feeding my Metrum Ambre streamer (Roonbridge)?

 

I should add that the idea of connecting the modem to the router with a noise attenuating RJ45 cable is not only meant to have some impact on these exclusively audio SQ dedicated components (such as the ER and OM), I am also thinking it might have some positive effect on other AV components in my house in general, components that are  hooked up to the router, but not to the chain in which the Etherrtegen and the Optical Module are located.  These are typical AV components such as my Oppo 203 Blu ray player, or my LG Oled TV, as well as some AV streamers such as Apple TV 4k, that are connected with them.  In other words, will a noise-attenuating audiophile RJ45 cable (connecting a modem to a router) also have an enhancing effect on the picture quality of a TV, a streamer, or blu ray blu ray player that are hooked up to the router, assuming that all of these components are plugged into power conditioners?

Quite few members here using a modem, & Ubiquiti Edge X SFP, then Ubiquiti access point. Then you could use SFP on the Edge to EtherRegen SFP. Giving good isolating. 

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@sahmen No, not audiophile per se, but when I redid all the cabling with Blue Jeans Cable, from the coax in to the modem, Cat 6 to Airport Extreme router, and then again back to main 16 port Cisco switch, I thought it seemed to firm everything up, but kind of impossible to A/B so who knows, but it didn't cost much and the BJC is certified to work. Even if you only gain a half of a percent better sound, those percentages start to add up in the increasingly complex digital chain, and esp considering how much more EMI/RF there is in the modern household/urban setting (I hate to think what it's doing to our cellular structure so I don't). 

SERVER CLOSET (in office directly below living room stereo):NUC 7i5BNH with Roon ROCK (ZeroZone 12V on the NUC)>Cisco 2690L-16PS switch>Sonore opticalModule (Uptone LPS 1.2)>

LIVING ROOM: Sonore opticalRendu Roon version (Sonore Power Supply)> Shunyata Venom USB>Naim DAC V1>Witchhat DIN>Naim NAP 160 Bolt Down>Chord Rumor 2>Audio Physic Compact Classics. OFFICE: opticalModule> Sonore microRendu> Matrix Mini-i Pro 3> Naim NAP 110>NACA5>KEF Ls50's. BJC 6a and Ghent Catsnake 6a JSSG ethernet; AC cables: Shunyata Venom NR V-10; Audience Forte F3; Ice Age copper/copper; Sean Jacobs CHC PowerBlack, Moon Audio DIN>RCA, USB A>C. Isolation: Herbie's Audio Lab. 

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19 hours ago, robbbby said:

I guess my other question is with cables that are fully shielded/grounded from tip to tip.  Are these ok from ER to computer?


In general no. You should avoid any commercial cables with shield and metal plugs. Especially those that comply with a standard 😀
The audiophile Ethernet cables will all (AFAIK) not comply with the Ethernet standard when it comes to shielding.
 

You will find a lot of useful information on Belden webpage. Also Blue Jeans webpage. Belden technick to glue pairs (bounded) is special, and well explained as an example. Unfortunately their catsnake 1303E doesn’t use that technology. But I really don’t think it matters in a cable less than a meter. 
 

Cables suggested here is OK to use. Also those with metal plugs for better RFI/EMI as well as with shielding.
 

You have to read this as a start in order to understand the theory behind JSSG360. 
 

(JSSG = John Swenson Shielding Guidelines). 

If you purchase a cable with metal plugs, and a ohmmeter shows the plugs are connected, you have the recipe to creat possible unwanted issues. Further reading can be found searching AS. 
 

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11 minutes ago, R1200CL said:


In general no. You should avoid any commercial cables with shield and metal plugs. Especially those that comply with a standard 😀
The audiophile Ethernet cables will all (AFAIK) not comply with the Ethernet standard when it comes to shielding.
 

You will find a lot of useful information on Belden webpage. Also Blue Jeans webpage. Belden technick to glue pairs (bounded) is special, and well explained as an example. Unfortunately their catsnake 1303E doesn’t use that technology. But I really don’t think it matters in a cable less than a meter. 
 

Cables suggested here is OK to use. Also those with metal plugs for better RFI/EMI as well as with shielding.
 

You have to read this as a start in order to understand the theory behind JSSG360. 
 

(JSSG = John Swenson Shielding Guidelines). 

If you purchase a cable with metal plugs, and a ohmmeter shows the plugs are connected, you have the recipe to creat possible unwanted issues. Further reading can be found searching AS. 
 


Ghent sells two Ethernet RJ45 cables, both listed as JSSG360. This means they would be OK for EtherRegen, upstream and downstream?

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6 minutes ago, thyname said:

Ghent sells two Ethernet RJ45 cables, both listed as JSSG360. This means they would be OK for EtherRegen, upstream and downstream?


YES. 
 

The whole idea behind those cables as well as the DC cables was based on:

 

 

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6 hours ago, JFHSQT said:

My etherRegen is en route and should arrive Monday, barring any FedEx problems through Memphis with Hurricane Laura.

 

Anyway I had planned to use the eR from my Orbi satellite into my Naim Uniti Nova from the B port and my Orbi and Innuos from the A ports as suggested by Alex. 

 

However I am now considering making room for some additional boxes and would need to move my Innuos into another room, which means the eR will be only between the Orbi and the Naim. Since the Innuos will be in another room, would there be further benefit by running a second eR in that room from the router (A) and the Innuos (B)? Or is it far enough removed from the signal chain on the Naim that it wouldn't be a worthwhile investment?

 

In my case the Innuos (Zen MK III) is used only as a Roon Core and the Uniti Nova is the streamer/player. 


Isn’t that Innuos already intended to go wireless ? (If reallocated)

(As my understanding is you only have wireless in your listening room).


Just wondering:

How much differ the Naim today between wireless and wired ?

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4 hours ago, R1200CL said:


YES. 
 

The whole idea behind those cables as well as the DC cables was based on:

 

 


Do you know the difference between the two Ghent cables? One is a cat6a made with belkin cable, other is cat8 made with linkway cable. They are both the same price. I’m a bit confused. 

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