The EtherREGEN thread for various network, cable, power experiences and experiments

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On 4/5/2021 at 7:40 AM, Jmart987 said:

Anyone tried the Hysos LPS with the eR?

No, but I use  Hypsos LPS with oR. Even better than Farad super 3 in my opinion.

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33 minutes ago, Jmart987 said:

Awesome, what voltage did you settle on?

 

Have you tried it with any other products in your arsenal? :D

7.5 V on the Hypsos LPS for the oR. (Had an SBooster mkII BOTW P&P ECO PSU for the oR earlier)

I use a Farad super 3 for the eR.

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10 hours ago, Superdad said:

Not sure why this is important to you. Plenty of people have been enjoying and reporting about many different brands of external reference clocks with EtherREGEN. I have said several times that neither an external reference clock nor a upgraded power supply are required to enjoy 90%+ of the benefits of the EtherREGEN--but that we have no objection to users squeezing a few last performance percentage points by doing so.

 

So the short answer is, no, I have not personally attached any clock to my EtherREGEN.  But full disclosure, AfterDark did gift UpTone both an entry-level Cybershaft unit and a Project Geissmann Prince. They are both unattached and idle at this time.

I have an external powersupply (Farad Super 3) and an external clock ( AFTERDARK. PROJECT CLAYX GIESEMANN OCXO 10MHZ REFERENCE MASTER CLOCK) for my EtherREGEN. I don't agree with your estimation that the external clock and the LPS only benefits 10%.

My estimation is rather 30% benefits with my external clock and LPS. This is from someone who has listened with an external clock and LPS with my EtherREGEN.

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11 hours ago, Superdad said:

So the short answer is, no, I have not personally attached any clock to my EtherREGEN.  

My problem with this answer is how you can make an estimate when you don't have listened to your EtherREGEN with an external clock.

That would be as stupid as if I would say that  EtherREGEN maybee would benefit 10% but I have not personally listened to EtherREGEN.

 

The EtherREGEN is an fantastic product as we all agree to. 

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1 hour ago, Rsbrsvp said:

My dear friends,  this is a good question....  However it could be answered that Alex is basing his conclusion on feedback he has from others.

 

If that would be the case, it would mean that 9 of 10 that have tried EtherREGEN with an external clock did not hear any difference with the external clock. 🤨

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16 minutes ago, Mops911 said:

Or that Ale trusts some  ears more  than others.

I agree, but in this matter it seems that Alex dosn't trust the ears of those persons that have tried the EtherREGEN with an external clock.

He centenly dosn't trust his own ears because he hasn't tried the EtherREGEN with an external clock.

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20 minutes ago, Superdad said:

I trust my ears quite fully thank you. 

 

What I said was that I have been far too busy with the business (and other pressing family matters in my life) to take the time to audition the Cybershaft clock I have here (and it requires 15V input so I’ll need to solder a different voltage set resistor into one of my JS-2s).

But this whole thing of holding me to guesstimated benefit percentages seems a bit silly. There are about 2,300 EtherREGEN units in the field and the vast majority of them are being used without any external reference clock and with our stock PS.

Yet of course anyone is welcome to carry the piece further. If we did not want to permit such, we wouldn’t have built in provision for external clocking or power. 

But you  guesstimated benefit percentages of 90% without an external LPS and clock. Should I not hold you accountable for what you guesstimated. How do you know that of the 2,300 EtherREGEN units in the field and the vast majority of them are being used without any external reference clock that the benefit of an external clock is only 10%. You don't even have tried an external clock yourself.

I can understand that you are very busy and don't have the time to try an external clock. But you do seem to have time to guesstimate.

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1 hour ago, Superdad said:

I trust my ears quite fully thank you. 

 

What I said was that I have been far too busy with the business (and other pressing family matters in my life) to take the time to audition the Cybershaft clock I have here (and it requires 15V input so I’ll need to solder a different voltage set resistor into one of my JS-2s).

But this whole thing of holding me to guesstimated benefit percentages seems a bit silly. There are about 2,300 EtherREGEN units in the field and the vast majority of them are being used without any external reference clock and with our stock PS.

Yet of course anyone is welcome to carry the piece further. If we did not want to permit such, we wouldn’t have built in provision for external clocking or power. 

I don't have any problem with guesstimate because that is what i did when I said that EtherREGEN with an external clock and LPS is 30% better.

But my guesstimate is based on that I use an external clock and LPS. Yours guesstimate is based on what???

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1 hour ago, R1200CL said:

This is interesting, as it may be so that the EtherRegen in a B>A setup won’t gain much from an external clock. This is also why I request a simple EtherRegen version with SFP both in and out. I’m not sure my wishes will be fulfilled 😀
 

I must say that the BG7TBL wasn’t a huge success in my setup. Now I have a AfterDark King which measure quite well. So I will hook it up during the weekend. 

I am in the same position. I am going from B>A because I have an opticalRendu. I really would like to say that with the external clock from Afterdark and B>A there is a huge positive improvement in sound quality. (more than 10% 😀)

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40 minutes ago, MartinT said:

 

Right between the 4G router and the ER, coupled to a single 5m length of MeiCord ethernet cable both ends.

 

Apologies, @Superdad , will stop the DX discussion now.

Don't stop the DX discussion, continue it here

 

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31 minutes ago, PYP said:

Really useful information.  You mention that the Hypsos can utilize different voltages.  What voltage are you using with the etherREGEN?

 

Thanks.

I use Hypsos for my etherRegen and use the Hypsos preset for etherRegen - 9V DC

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10 hours ago, PYP said:

Thanks.  

I'm assuming you tried 7V and 12V too.   Seems the Hypsos allows you to try these on the fly.  Is that correct?

No, I was satisfied with the sound with the 9V DC. The Hypsos have a voltage range of 5-30V with up to 6A. You can adjust the voltage down to a tenth of a volt. So I may try 9.1V DC to my etherRegen. 🙂

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3 hours ago, skatbelt said:

I posted this already in another thread but maybe interesting as a datapoint for some here as well: recently I switched from the Uptone JS-2 to a Ferrum Hypsos powering the EtherREGEN. Against my expectation, no small change! I have a very 'clean' EtherREGEN setup with only fiber on the A-side (coming from a Sonore opticalModule/LPS1.2 combo). The B-side is connected to a dCS Network Bridge. The Hypos is powered by a dedicated power line (as was the case with the JS-2). DC cable: Ferrum's own. With the JS-2 I was using a very short Ghent Gotham GAC-4/JSSG360 cable.

Just curious, what voltage did you set your Hypsos to for the etherRegen. I set mine to 10 volt.