kelvinwsy Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Cat 8 is earthed, Cat 6 is NOT! The plastic connectors on the Cat 6 breaks any earth connection. Cat 8 metal connectors is DEATH to SQ due to earth leakage current linkage. Miska - developer of HQPlayer tells anyone who asks - DONT use metal connectors on your ethernet cables for this exact reason. I tried nail polish which is Varnish Right? to break the earth leakage path. Maybe the earth connection within the wire loom inside the cable is still conducting the earth leakage current. I did not believe the SQ difference. A brand-less USD2.50 cable for 1.2m vs a 20USD Cat 8 cable with beautiful finish. Plug in Plug Out. and you will throw away the Cat 8 cable. It takes 5 seconds. All system components exactly the same, Same volume setting, Same tune. It takes 5 seconds! I trust my ears. Albrecht 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Mike Rubin said: Okay, I am a little lost now. I am new to the ethernet cable shuffle and, in anticipation of the arrival of my ER, I bought one of the Cable Matters CAT8's from Amazon, to replace a Blue Jean CAT6A between the wall and a Sonore Optical Module. It arrived next day and I noticed that it had metal RJ45 make ends rather than the plastic that is on every other ethernet cable I ever have seen. I recall vaguely something in the Sonore forum pages that were to the effect of "never use metal RJ45 connectors in an audio setup." I couldn't find relevant posts but decided that enough of you are using Rendus of one sort or another that any bad news about metal would appear here in the discussion of these CAT8's. I went ahead and plugged in the new cable. It certainly worked as a signal cable without exploding any of my equipment. I also listened to it for a short while. Sounds pretty much the same as before thus far, which is pretty good, so I am not complaining, especially considering the price of the experiment. I continue to be concerned, though, that the metal connectors might destroy equipment or SQ in some way. The post above this one refers to coating the ends with nail polish. Is this to address a particular issue and, if it is, do I need to get an untreated cable with metal ends out of the system? Let's be specific rather than general, about both what you have asked and something else. The following is to the best of my recollection and understanding, and I will be grateful for corrections if I am wrong. What you have asked: @Superdad has mentioned that if an Ethernet cable with the shields tied (Cat 8 w/metal connectors, for example) is used on the downstream side of the ER (for most people this will be the "B" side; this also assumes if you are using the "A" side as the downstream, you do not have more than one connection on that downstream side), no leakage current will flow in this situation. Where you don't want the shields tied, and therefore want to use cables with non-metal connectors, or use tape or nail polish or some other means of breaking the connection, is on the upstream side of the ER (usually the "A" side), because in that situation the shield tied to ground can cause leakage current to flow. * * * Now, regarding something I haven't seen discussed, categories of Ethernet cables: To the best of my recollection, the Cat8 spec allows for faster speeds than Cat7, which allows for faster speeds than Cat6/6a, so *in general* Cat8 cables will have better specs for noise, interference, etc. *However*, I do seem to recall there is at least one type of crosstalk where the Cat7 spec is better than the Cat8 spec. I don't know whether any of these specs is really meaningful when talking about a relatively slow (100Mbps) connection in an audio system. soares, gstew, jos and 2 others 2 3 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Mike Rubin Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Jud said: Let's be specific rather than general, about both what you have asked and something else. The following is to the best of my recollection and understanding, and I will be grateful for corrections if I am wrong. What you have asked: @Superdad has mentioned that if an Ethernet cable with the shields tied (Cat 8 w/metal connectors, for example) is used on the downstream side of the ER (for most people this will be the "B" side; this also assumes if you are using the "A" side as the downstream, you do not have more than one connection on that downstream side), no leakage current will flow in this situation. Where you don't want the shields tied, and therefore want to use cables with non-metal connectors, or use tape or nail polish or some other means of breaking the connection, is on the upstream side of the ER (usually the "A" side), because in that situation the shield tied to ground can cause leakage current to flow. * * * Now, regarding something I haven't seen discussed, categories of Ethernet cables: To the best of my recollection, the Cat8 spec allows for faster speeds than Cat7, which allows for faster speeds than Cat6/6a, so *in general* Cat8 cables will have better specs for noise, interference, etc. *However*, I do seem to recall there is at least one type of crosstalk where the Cat7 spec is better than the Cat8 spec. I don't know whether any of these specs is really meaningful when talking about a relatively slow (100Mbps) connection in an audio system. My ethernet cable will be the B side connection and the A side will connect optically to the optical Rendu. Sounds as though the metal ends won't matter. Then, again, I had no particular complaint about the Blue Jean CAT6A, either, so could drop that back in pretty easily. Jud and Guidof 1 1 Living room: Synology 218+ NAS > NUC 10 i7 > HQP Embedded > xfinity Xfi Router > Netgear GS348 Switch > Sonore Optical Module Deluxe > Sonore Signature Rendu SE Optical Tier 2 > Okto DAC 8 Stereo > Topping Pre90 Preamp > Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini > Revel F32 Concertas Computer Desk System: Synology DS-218+ NAS > Dell XPS 8930/NUC 10 i7 > HQP Desktop > xfinity Xfi Router > EtherRegen > ultraRendu > Topping D90 DAC > Audioengine A5+'s Link to comment
Popular Post emailists Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 Ocateviars, thanks for measuring the temp of the case. I found the case to be cooler to the touch with the weight on, but have no capacity to measure it. I wasn’t attempting to change the temp, just trying what a few others noted and found the sonic benefit. Perhaps inner vibration control or changing resonant frequency of the case/board. If anyone wants to read the white paper on starsound technologies site about vibration and coulomb friction, take a look. http://starsoundtechnologies.com/CMS/uploads/vibration-and-coulomb-friction-2013_001.pdf I have no idea how scientifically sound the principles are, but I can say I’ve had great luck with their products.They have several scientists who contribute to their design and theories. An amazing thing is that they sell a copper or brass footing for cellos, stand up bass etc that they claim make the instrument sound better then the standard footing commonly used. I’d love to hear an instrument fitted with one of these things. There is Some info and testimonials from musicians on this page. http://www.starsoundtechnologies.com/MusicalInstruments.php They developed an amp built around mechanical grounding, which I heard at a show many years ago. The amp didn’t take off but I’ve modded a tube amp to utilize this concept (using some prototype copper or brass parts they sold me) and the results were excellent and audible upon first listen. Nenon, Maceear and soares 3 Link to comment
magnuska Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I have also ordered a couple of cable matters cat 8 cables while awaiting delivery of the etherregen in january. Would this cable from inakustik be a good one from the aspect of tied connector shield. This one has no metal connector so I guess it will be fine. Perhaps a competitor to BJC? https://www.hifisound.de/en/Hifi-Accessories/Cable-Crafted/LAN-Network/Inakustik-Premium-II-CAT6-Ethernet-Network-Cable-0-50-mtr.html Vinnie Rossi LIO integrated amp with DAC, Sotm SMS-200 ultra/TX USB ultra, powered by an Uptone LPS-1 Audiostore Roonserver powered by a HD plex PS. ASUS router AC 68 powered by a Teddy pardo PS, Speakers are standmounts Klångedang T1 with external crossover , Rega Planar 3 Lejonklou Slipsik phonostage Link to comment
Popular Post lmitche Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 11 hours ago, kelvinwsy said: Cat 8 is earthed, Cat 6 is NOT! The plastic connectors on the Cat 6 breaks any earth connection. Cat 8 metal connectors is DEATH to SQ due to earth leakage current linkage. Miska - developer of HQPlayer tells anyone who asks - DONT use metal connectors on your ethernet cables for this exact reason. I tried nail polish which is Varnish Right? to break the earth leakage path. Maybe the earth connection within the wire loom inside the cable is still conducting the earth leakage current. I did not believe the SQ difference. A brand-less USD2.50 cable for 1.2m vs a 20USD Cat 8 cable with beautiful finish. Plug in Plug Out. and you will throw away the Cat 8 cable. It takes 5 seconds. All system components exactly the same, Same volume setting, Same tune. It takes 5 seconds! I trust my Kelvin, Ground connections will greatly vary from system to system, with many variables such as power supply design, design and placement of isolation devices on both network and USB cables and the cable itself. Given this one cannot generalize about how SQ will react to a cable. It is best to test SQ directly and based on results, take things from there. Indeed, you have done this. Thanks for sharing that cat8 was worse then cat6a cables at your place. That's great, but we have many people here that have had quite a different result. So the expression YMMV seems to apply here. gstew, soares and ferenc 3 Pareto Audio aka nuckleheadaudio Link to comment
lmitche Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, magnuska said: I have also ordered a couple of cable matters cat 8 cables while awaiting delivery of the etherregen in january. Would this cable from inakustik be a good one from the aspect of tied connector shield. This one has no metal connector so I guess it will be fine. Perhaps a competitor to BJC? https://www.hifisound.de/en/Hifi-Accessories/Cable-Crafted/LAN-Network/Inakustik-Premium-II-CAT6-Ethernet-Network-Cable-0-50-mtr.html Magnuska, It is tough to say which cable is best. If you do compare the SQ of the CM cat 8 vs. Inakustik please share the results here. gstew 1 Pareto Audio aka nuckleheadaudio Link to comment
magnuska Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 44 minutes ago, lmitche said: Magnuska, It is tough to say which cable is best. If you do compare the SQ of the CM cat 8 vs. Inakustik please share the results here. Hi Imitche, I will post IF I choose to buy the inakustiks.. I have used their USB cable Inakustik Reference wich was very good so this german brand could be quite good even with LAN cables? lmitche 1 Vinnie Rossi LIO integrated amp with DAC, Sotm SMS-200 ultra/TX USB ultra, powered by an Uptone LPS-1 Audiostore Roonserver powered by a HD plex PS. ASUS router AC 68 powered by a Teddy pardo PS, Speakers are standmounts Klångedang T1 with external crossover , Rega Planar 3 Lejonklou Slipsik phonostage Link to comment
kelvinwsy Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 5 hours ago, lmitche said: Kelvin, Ground connections will greatly vary from system to system, with many variables such as power supply design, design and placement of isolation devices on both network and USB cables and the cable itself. Given this one cannot generalize about how SQ will react to a cable. It is best to test SQ directly and based on results, take things from there. Indeed, you have done this. Thanks for sharing that cat8 was worse then cat6a cables at your place. That's great, but we have many people here that have had quite a different result. So the expression YMMV seems to apply here. YMMV applies . this is an universal truth in subjective evaluation in audiophile land. Rigt now this cable is undergoing Youtube and CNBC Video burn in😅 Will report back in 100 plus hours Albrecht 1 Link to comment
kelvinwsy Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Triple layer Aluminium foil 4 layer thick ~ 12 layers in total with insulating tape in between .. connected to each other at one end At the other end 26ga pure silver earth wire to connect to star ground Earth connection on Furutech power strip. Top Japanese Cat 8 brand with gold plated metal end connectors now with 4 coats of varnish Burning in for at least 3 days on high internet data flow Will report back on any SQ improvement snd comparison to the Cat 6 Triple JSSG snd earthed cables in my setup gstew and Albrecht 1 1 Link to comment
magnuska Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 1:54 PM, magnuska said: I have also ordered a couple of cable matters cat 8 cables while awaiting delivery of the etherregen in january. Would this cable from inakustik be a good one from the aspect of tied connector shield. This one has no metal connector so I guess it will be fine. Perhaps a competitor to BJC? https://www.hifisound.de/en/Hifi-Accessories/Cable-Crafted/LAN-Network/Inakustik-Premium-II-CAT6-Ethernet-Network-Cable-0-50-mtr.html Today I received my 2 cablematters ethernet cables. I replaced the Ghent first gen cables with JSSG (not 360). As I am awaiting delivery of a new Vinnie Rossi L2 integrated I have no possibility to listen via my normal setup. I run a seriously unbalanced setup with Innuos zen Mini mkIII with Antipodes EX via chromecast into my LG Oled television 😉. Yes through the telly;s speaker it is possible to hear differences between the new and old Ghent cables. From cold its a no big difference but I can hear its bass improved and also highs seems improved. Its a bit more musical sounding - more easy to listen to. Vinnie Rossi LIO integrated amp with DAC, Sotm SMS-200 ultra/TX USB ultra, powered by an Uptone LPS-1 Audiostore Roonserver powered by a HD plex PS. ASUS router AC 68 powered by a Teddy pardo PS, Speakers are standmounts Klångedang T1 with external crossover , Rega Planar 3 Lejonklou Slipsik phonostage Link to comment
octaviars Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 5:53 AM, emailists said: Ocateviars, thanks for measuring the temp of the case. I found the case to be cooler to the touch with the weight on, but have no capacity to measure it. I wasn’t attempting to change the temp, just trying what a few others noted and found the sonic benefit. I did some changes in the vents of my cabinet so the fan can circulate the air better and now my eR runs around 37-38C as a reference my NUC i5BNH with Roon ROCK in a Akasa case runs at 34-35C so I am happy with my changes Regarding LAN cables I use the old version of Ghent cables betwen ISP fiber, router and between eR and NUC (I run fiber between router and eR). From eR to my dCS Network Bridge I use a CAT7A cable with Telegärtners new MFP 8.1 connectors, sheild only connected at the DCS side. gstew 1 Main system TAD D1000mk2, TAD M2500mk2, TAD CE-1, Ansuz Mainz 8 C2, Ansuz Darkz D-TC, Qobuz Studio -> Roon ROCK on NUC -> Uptone etherREGEN -> dCS Network Bridge -> AES/EBU -> DAC HD Plex 200W PSU (4 rail for ISP fiber, router, etherREGEN and NUC) Second system Qobuz Studio -> Devialet Silver Phantom, Devialet Tree Link to comment
cat6man Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 3:28 PM, ray-dude said: +10000 Maddening to have something this audible without even a working physical theory (cable to optimized NUC to optimized TX Ultra for USB regeneration to DAC...that's a lot of optimization layers between the cable and my ears). Clearly the enhanced shielding of the CAT8 cables is making a difference. Can the antenna effect to the streamer end point be that significant? With a second Cable Matters CAT8 on hand, I just had to experiment. I clipped the shield on one end of the cable, thinking I would prefer the clipped end on the NUC (I power my NUC with a battery for mains isolation). Alas, another hypothesis shot down. I preferred the clipped shield end on the ER side (at least so far) All this reminds me of the random walk search a bunch of folks did with Lush^2 shield configurations. Those with the Phasure ET^2 are in a much better position to investigate different shield configurations to suss out what may be going on. maddening is a good description, and not just for digital cables. consider pc/nuc==>router==>opticalModule==>optical Rendu==>totalDAC reclocker==>totalDAC all devices powered by linear power supplies. not just the cables matter, but the latency in the NUC and even the RAM (running hqplayer under audiolinux with ramroot sounding better than off the usb stick) i brought this up with some friends and colleagues at an engineering conference last year and, after considering (and hopefully rejecting) the conclusion that i had a few loose screws, we concluded that the only mechanism we could hypothesize was power and ground related noise components (whether ground plane, noise injected back into the line, noise created in device processing received jittered clocks, etc........) gstew 1 Link to comment
Popular Post lmitche Posted January 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 hours ago, cat6man said: maddening is a good description, and not just for digital cables. Hi Cat6man, Your comment brings a smile to my face. When saying that digital cable impact on SQ amazes me, the last thing I meant was to imply is that digital cables are the only thing that leads to amazing SQ. After 5 years of reading 10,000 of posts, posting thousands myself and trying many 100's of experiments, I agree, we do not understand many of the underlying mechanisms that impact SQ. I share your frustration with this situation. Nevertheless, we have developed a set of best practices that work. First, we have collectively crowd sourced the development and production of unique solutions like the Uptone ISO Regen, ER Regen and LPS1.2 that deliver substantial sound quality enhancements by reducing noise, isolating grounds and re-clocking digital signals. The impact of these devices has stood the test of time, and happily the level of commercial success has created enough incentive for these talented people to continue the work. There have been many other companies that have imitated the Uptone devices, another sign of success. Linear power supply companies, like Hdplex, Paul Hynes, Farad and others continue to innovate based on demand generated from these pages. Likewise on the cable front, innovations like the Ghent DC cabling, or the Phasure Lush cables, are all based on the JSSG360 ideas offered by John Swenson and further developed and validated by members here. Software solutions like Roon, Audiolinux, and Euphony continue to make incremental SQ gains with the help of our members. Lastly we are getting much better at finding the most sensitive parts of the chain, to prioritize the next set of tweaks to enhance SQ. Knowing this guides efforts to find incremental SQ gains from cabling, network configuration, software and hardware tweaks. We have also proven that these enhancements can be replicated and shared with others that validate the enhancements by hearing the same impact. I suspect that someday sooner rather then later, John and/or Alex will be able to definitively tells us what is happening. But in the meantime, SQ is at a very high level with clarity, image density and subtle detail that creates a spine tingling perception of realistic presence, a noise floor in the basement and musical enjoyment that is beyond my best expectations. I don't know how much further we have to go, but any progress from here will be gravy. Thanks again for the smile and Happy New Year, Larry austinpop, Liam, Superdad and 9 others 2 7 3 Pareto Audio aka nuckleheadaudio Link to comment
BCRich Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 11:56 AM, Jud said: Mayyybeee, at some point in the future. I liked their Cat 6a, and these are not expensive. So let's see what @BCRich and anyone else who decides to try them might think. But like you, at this point I'm happy. I posted the link for anyone else who might be curious. So my pre ER experiment has begun. I started to receive the Monoprice Cat 8 cables across multiple shipments from amazon today. The first swap I decided to employ was replacing the AQ Diamond going from my Pakedge Switch to my Sonore Optical Module. Things definitely got more livelier......I also felt there were more subtle detail’s being resolved. The AQ cable seemed dull and lifeless when I did a comparison. Things did get a bit edgy here and there, hoping some burn in will take care of that. The next thing I did was replace a generic cable and a AQ Diamond cable both of which also fed 2 Mac Mini’s via a Pakedge Switch; one for my Roon Core (Server) and the more powerful one for HQ Player functionality. This had more of an impact on the overall soundstage and presentation. I’ve yet to replace the Verizon ONT/Modem/Eero feed’s as of yet. I also plan on running CAT8 from my Cisco Switch to both Pakedge Switches as well. I should have plenty of burn in on these cables by the time I receive my etherRegen. Already thinking about a second ER but at the same time it might be nice to swap out the MacMini’s with a i9 Sonic Transporter. My System: https://audiophilestyle.com/profile/9256-bcrich/?tab=field_core_pfield_3 Link to comment
PYP Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 'Tis the season, so added some Christmas lights to mine. Grimm Audio MU1 > Mola Mola Tambaqui > Mola Mola Kaluga > B&W 803 D3 Cables: Kubala-Sosna Power management: Shunyata Room: Vicoustics “Nature is pleased with simplicity.” Isaac Newton "As neither the enjoyment nor the capacity of producing musical notes are faculties of the least use to man...they must be ranked among the most mysterious with which he is endowed." Charles Darwin - The Descent of Man Link to comment
thyname Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, PYP said: 'Tis the season, so added some Christmas lights to mine. ‘Hey Mola Mola: what you got in there? SR HFTs? Link to comment
PYP Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 minute ago, thyname said: ‘Hey Mola Mola: what you got in there? SR HFTs? Oh, so close! You almost received the audio nervosa award this year. 😎 SR ECTs. thyname 1 Grimm Audio MU1 > Mola Mola Tambaqui > Mola Mola Kaluga > B&W 803 D3 Cables: Kubala-Sosna Power management: Shunyata Room: Vicoustics “Nature is pleased with simplicity.” Isaac Newton "As neither the enjoyment nor the capacity of producing musical notes are faculties of the least use to man...they must be ranked among the most mysterious with which he is endowed." Charles Darwin - The Descent of Man Link to comment
thyname Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, PYP said: Oh, so close! You almost received the audio nervosa award this year. 😎 SR ECTs. ‘LOL! Very funny! One cannot be called Snake Oil lover without Synergistic Research in their system. Guilty as charged 😂🤷🏻 Can you elaborate more in what you did, and the outcome, in there? I really need more snake oil LOL! Link to comment
PYP Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Ok. But I think you are killing the suspense that every eR owner now has about the ECTs. But I'm glad you asked because it is a long story and that is also fitting for the season. So... The ECTs were used INSIDE my previous DAC (DirectStream). For that experiment, I kept the cover off and added the ECTs one at a time and moved them around. Ending up using all five, mostly on chips. The effect was subtle, but good. Perhaps placebo effect, but I still don't understand SR's explanation, and if I did, I probably wouldn't believe it. My working theory is that in that application, mounted by some grey-tack (provided), they worked against resonance of the chips themselves. OK, it is snake oil, but it never inflamed my guts, so "no gain, no pain" to those who love to measure. 😝 At any rate, once I had all the Mola Mola gear in place, I put the tweaks back into a box. You just plop the MM down, connect and enjoy. Well, no longer being the patient audiophile (is there such a thing?) I was in my younger years, I put all the tweaks on eR nearly at the same time. First, a Herbie's tube damper below to increase air flow and a Aurios bearing footer on top (never liked them under equipment) just to see what would happen (it does act as a bit of a heatsink and adds weight). After a few hours, there seemed to be a subtle difference. Then added a Bybee acrylic QSE beneath the SMPS. Next day, I didn't notice anything much, so added the ECTs. An hour or two later, I was in another room and a Roon radio selection played which actually startled me. It was as though I was listening to the highest resolution recording I've ever experienced. But, as we know, sometimes this effect can be too much and is actually boosting frequencies. Over time, this can grow tiresome if it isn't truly natural/balanced/neutral. Therefore I don't have an answer yet. Will leave it all as is for a week and see how it progresses. More later... soares 1 Grimm Audio MU1 > Mola Mola Tambaqui > Mola Mola Kaluga > B&W 803 D3 Cables: Kubala-Sosna Power management: Shunyata Room: Vicoustics “Nature is pleased with simplicity.” Isaac Newton "As neither the enjoyment nor the capacity of producing musical notes are faculties of the least use to man...they must be ranked among the most mysterious with which he is endowed." Charles Darwin - The Descent of Man Link to comment
thyname Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, PYP said: OK, it is snake oil, but it never inflamed my guts, so "no gain, no pain" to those who love to measure I was only joking. But I am guessing you already know this. Thanks for your explanation. Time for me to do further research on these tweaks. If I may, I can share my experience with Synergistic Research. The following worked great for me: Power Cords (Atmosphere X Excite then Euphoria) Atmosphere X Reference USB cable and Ethernet cable PowerCell 12 SE power conditioner ‘’Euphoria XLR ICs, and speaker cables The following made zero difference: HFTs Active Ground Block SE Again, in my system, my house. Link to comment
PYP Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, thyname said: I was only joking. But I am guessing you already know this. Yes, as was I. But I do understand when some of the explanations about this kind of stuff makes it hard to take seriously. I suppose the truth of it is: the manufacturer had a theory, tried stuff and some of it was audible. Well, to switch the metaphor, you have clearly drunk the Kool-Aide. And are enjoying the experience. Interesting that with all your SR stuff the ground block didn't make a difference. I thought that was a central concept of their cables... To return to the thread -- is the Atmosphere ethernet cable AFTER the eR? Would be interested in what you found if you experimented with alternatives. Grimm Audio MU1 > Mola Mola Tambaqui > Mola Mola Kaluga > B&W 803 D3 Cables: Kubala-Sosna Power management: Shunyata Room: Vicoustics “Nature is pleased with simplicity.” Isaac Newton "As neither the enjoyment nor the capacity of producing musical notes are faculties of the least use to man...they must be ranked among the most mysterious with which he is endowed." Charles Darwin - The Descent of Man Link to comment
stevebythebay Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 51 minutes ago, PYP said: Yes, as was I. But I do understand when some of the explanations about this kind of stuff makes it hard to take seriously. I suppose the truth of it is: the manufacturer had a theory, tried stuff and some of it was audible. Well, to switch the metaphor, you have clearly drunk the Kool-Aide. And are enjoying the experience. Interesting that with all your SR stuff the ground block didn't make a difference. I thought that was a central concept of their cables... To return to the thread -- is the Atmosphere ethernet cable AFTER the eR? Would be interested in what you found if you experimented with alternatives. I'm still using much of what I purchased from SR, though it's strictly cabling, though I do have and figured out how to make the HFT's work in my room. Agree that quite a bit of his "technology" quite often relies on setup, for which only he seems to have the smarts. Even dealers are left to fend for themselves in making his stuff work. The original ART stuff does seem to work, when painstakingly set up correctly. But I also found the ground block quite useless in my setup (especially having come to Shunyata products for conditioning my power environment). As we all find - we learn from out tweaks, and if there's merit to this stuff it often finds its way into "legitimate" products and fly under the radar. Steve Schaffer Grimm MU1 / dCS Vivaldi Upsampler - APEX DAC - Clock / Spectral DMC-30SV preamp / Spectral Anniversary monoblocks / Wilson Audio Alexia V / Wilson Lōkē subs / Shunyata Everest / Shunyata Omega interconnects, power cables, Ethernet / Shunyata Altaira / Uptone EtherREGEN switch / Cybershaft OP21A-D / Uptone JS2 LPS / HRS racks - Vortex footers - damping plates Link to comment
thyname Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 56 minutes ago, PYP said: Interesting that with all your SR stuff the ground block didn't make a difference. ‘Me too. And I gave it a chance. I owned it for about three months. It did nothing. Maybe because I have a dedicated power line? And their cables mostly come with a ground plug that can simply be plugged to wall, making the ground block redundant? I don’t know... I simply report my experience Link to comment
thyname Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 59 minutes ago, PYP said: To return to the thread -- is the Atmosphere ethernet cable AFTER the eR? Would be interested in what you found if you experimented with alternatives ‘Yes it is. From EtherRegen to my streamer / server (Innuos ZENith MK3). As for alternatives, I don’t know with regards to EtherRegen. I had it way before the EtherRegen arrived. I have not bothered with alternatives since then. This is one of the subjects I am no longer curious in experimenting with PYP 1 Link to comment
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