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1 hour ago, octaviars said:

 

The eR draws what it draws at different voltages even if you have a 12V 10A supply the eR will still only draw 0,8A at 12V. As you see the wattage that it consumes is the same at 12V and 7V a tad lower at 9V (this is the amps that Uptone have on their webpage).

 

12x0,8=9,6W

9x1.0=9W

7x1,4=9,8

 

I think @Superdad have stated many times that it does not make any differences in heat if you use 7, 9 or 12V it will produce the same heat.

 

I have run my eR with different voltages and it is still the same temperature on the heatsink when I check it with a IR thermometer. How hot the room or cabinet is and placement will make a much bigger impact on how hot the eR will get compared to the supply voltage.

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Received the EtherRegen today (22-Mar), eager to try, let's see which install works 'best'. JCAT = JCAT NET Femto (the original).

 

1. JCAT -> 1m UTP -> A Side | B Side 35m UTP -> Lumin U1. Power : 120-0-120V Uptone PSU.

 

Result : Clear treble, but found to be over the top, like adjust the treble control up a notch. Stage height down some 10-30cm.

 

2. JCAT -> 35m UTP -> A Side | B Side 1m STP  -> Lumin U1. Power : 60-0-60V Uptone PSU.

 

Result : Treble under control now, stage height and separation still not right, image squashed. Why is one instrument coming out of the right speaker only, should be both [faint triangle "Stay with me till dawn", FAC15 with Kathi Ogden]

 

3. JCAT -> 35m UTP -> A Side | B Side 1m UTP  -> Lumin U1. Power : 60-0-60V Uptone PSU.

 

Result : Stage height and spread of the soundstage not working, the height is collapsing and instruments aren't placed like before ER. The frowns are starting to appear.

 

4. JCAT -> 35m UTP -> A Side | A Side 1m UTP  -> Lumin U1. Power : 60-0-60V Uptone PSU.

 

Result : EtherRegen effectively bypassed but now includes the noise reduction of the A side transformers. It doesn't make that much of a difference. Not that much of a difference with the STP or the UTP (the STP is CAT 6, the UTP Cat 5e). No name branded cables, very generic. 

 

With USB, the cable makes a big difference, but that's more fine tuning than getting fundamental connections correct. Was I expecting too much from the ER at switch on plus 3 hours? No mention of burn in published in the manual, it is a switch after all. It does get hot, ambient 25.6C, case 43.5C. That's within spec, so no problem as far as compliance is concerned, but 43C is a lot.

 

5. JCAT CAT -> 35m UTP  -> Lumin U1

 

Result : Original config. Spread of sound has returned, instruments where they should be, height returned.

 

Burn in, will it make that much a difference, talking about thermal stability here, which should be good from the get go. TBH, I expected a lot more from the EtherRegen, for now I'll ask for an RMA and send it back to Mariposa.

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28 minutes ago, JohnSwenson said:

Hi one and a half,

three hours is not nearly enough time for burn in on the ER, its not just thermal stability, there is real burn in going on, primarily on the capacitors, there are over a hundred caps in the ER, they need to burn in with real signal for at least several days before anything approaching real performance shows up. It usually takes a couple weeks (some people say a month) before it really "opens up".

 

John S.

The 30 days is the limit for a money back guarantee, by the time the burn in is due, the time has expired. I didn't read burn in needed in the manual, but understand caps need time to settle. I'll ask for the RMA.

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2 hours ago, JohnSwenson said:

Hi one and a half,

three hours is not nearly enough time for burn in on the ER, its not just thermal stability, there is real burn in going on, primarily on the capacitors, there are over a hundred caps in the ER, they need to burn in with real signal for at least several days before anything approaching real performance shows up. It usually takes a couple weeks (some people say a month) before it really "opens up".

 

John S.


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3 hours ago, One and a half said:

Received the EtherRegen today (22-Mar), eager to try, let's see which install works 'best'. JCAT = JCAT NET Femto (the original).

 

1. JCAT -> 1m UTP -> A Side | B Side 35m UTP -> Lumin U1. Power : 120-0-120V Uptone PSU.

 

Result : Clear treble, but found to be over the top, like adjust the treble control up a notch. Stage height down some 10-30cm.

 

2. JCAT -> 35m UTP -> A Side | B Side 1m STP  -> Lumin U1. Power : 60-0-60V Uptone PSU.

 

Result : Treble under control now, stage height and separation still not right, image squashed. Why is one instrument coming out of the right speaker only, should be both [faint triangle "Stay with me till dawn", FAC15 with Kathi Ogden]

 

3. JCAT -> 35m UTP -> A Side | B Side 1m UTP  -> Lumin U1. Power : 60-0-60V Uptone PSU.

 

Result : Stage height and spread of the soundstage not working, the height is collapsing and instruments aren't placed like before ER. The frowns are starting to appear.

 

4. JCAT -> 35m UTP -> A Side | A Side 1m UTP  -> Lumin U1. Power : 60-0-60V Uptone PSU.

 

Result : EtherRegen effectively bypassed but now includes the noise reduction of the A side transformers. It doesn't make that much of a difference. Not that much of a difference with the STP or the UTP (the STP is CAT 6, the UTP Cat 5e). No name branded cables, very generic. 

 

With USB, the cable makes a big difference, but that's more fine tuning than getting fundamental connections correct. Was I expecting too much from the ER at switch on plus 3 hours? No mention of burn in published in the manual, it is a switch after all. It does get hot, ambient 25.6C, case 43.5C. That's within spec, so no problem as far as compliance is concerned, but 43C is a lot.

 

5. JCAT CAT -> 35m UTP  -> Lumin U1

 

Result : Original config. Spread of sound has returned, instruments where they should be, height returned.

 

Burn in, will it make that much a difference, talking about thermal stability here, which should be good from the get go. TBH, I expected a lot more from the EtherRegen, for now I'll ask for an RMA and send it back to Mariposa.


swapping that fast also doesn't work at all!

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What’s the best way to burn it the ER, I myself (about one week so far with the ER in my system) haven’t noticed that big of any improvements, but I was being patient because I assumed it must require some sort of burn in. 
if I was to remove the ER from my system and connect it to my router and then to a computer running 24/7, would that be an effective method of burn in or is it best to just try and let internet radio play on my system at low volume or with power amplifiers off for 24/7 for a few weeks instead? 

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30 minutes ago, agladstone said:

What’s the best way to burn it the ER, I myself (about one week so far with the ER in my system) haven’t noticed that big of any improvements, but I was being patient because I assumed it must require some sort of burn in. 
if I was to remove the ER from my system and connect it to my router and then to a computer running 24/7, would that be an effective method of burn in or is it best to just try and let internet radio play on my system at low volume or with power amplifiers off for 24/7 for a few weeks instead? 


No, place it in the best place in your system, as close to your DAC as possible with no other equipment between your ER and your DAC. leave the ER power on 24/7 and stream or play whatever you want.

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18 minutes ago, Johnnydev said:


No, place it in the best place in your system, as close to your DAC as possible with no other equipment between your ER and your DAC. leave the ER power on 24/7 and stream or play whatever you want.

 

I believe most DACS don't have an ethernet input. In this case, it would be better to put the ER before the streamer (unless the dac you are using is an integrated streamer+dac). 

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1 minute ago, jomsjoms said:

 

I think most Dacs don't have an ethernet input. In this case, it would be better to put the ER before the streamer (unless the dac you are using is an integrated streamer+dac). 


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10 hours ago, One and a half said:

Received the EtherRegen today (22-Mar), eager to try, let's see which install works 'best'. JCAT = JCAT NET Femto (the original).

As soon as I read your first sentence, I thought:  Oh, no.    The eR took a month to fully settle into my system, but I think two weeks (powered continuously, if with a signal that whole time even better) is a good timeframe after which experimenting could be practical.  

 

I've had lots of equipment that never mentioned burn-in, but literally all have required it.  In my system, a month seems to be the magic number regardless of the type of gear.  I've always theorized that this is the result of capacitors.  They all seem to take a very long time and go through cycles of sounding harsh/bad, then good, then bad -- until they have fully settled in.  

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Just now, One and a half said:

Well it must have worked, since I could note the changes as each stage was tested. It's no different to adding another component like a dac or interconnect. 

Whenever I've done quick changes like that, I can always hear a difference.  But when I try later on, after everything is settle in, the sound is different in every respect.  In other words, the difference you are hearing now is not what you will hear after burn-in.  

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4 hours ago, agladstone said:

What’s the best way to burn it the ER, I myself (about one week so far with the ER in my system) haven’t noticed that big of any improvements, but I was being patient because I assumed it must require some sort of burn in. 
if I was to remove the ER from my system and connect it to my router and then to a computer running 24/7, would that be an effective method of burn in or is it best to just try and let internet radio play on my system at low volume or with power amplifiers off for 24/7 for a few weeks instead? 

That's a logical approach, either one, would have thought. To try and burn in the ER after recommending to do so, it's now placed between the cable modem and main router. 

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22 minutes ago, PYP said:

In other words, the difference you are hearing now is not what you will hear after burn-in.  

 

You mean after habituation in the brain? Just kidding...

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19 minutes ago, PYP said:

As soon as I read your first sentence, I thought:  Oh, no.    The eR took a month to fully settle into my system, but I think two weeks (powered continuously, if with a signal that whole time even better) is a good timeframe after which experimenting could be practical.  

 

I've had lots of equipment that never mentioned burn-in, but literally all have required it.  In my system, a month seems to be the magic number regardless of the type of gear.  I've always theorized that this is the result of capacitors.  They all seem to take a very long time and go through cycles of sounding harsh/bad, then good, then bad -- until they have fully settled in.  

I hear what you're saying, especially of analog equipment. For the last 3 components, the sound is actually 'OK', then improves as time goes on. This ER in relative terms is 'bad' from the start which is an inversion of what I've experienced. Soundstage collapse is due to interference on the signal lines, Ethernet or USB, the end result is the same. I will give the ER a week between the main router and the cable modem, there's plenty of traffic, with the supplied PSU. Two weeks was about typical for power amps and SACD player, worked fine, but a month!

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38 minutes ago, PYP said:

As soon as I read your first sentence, I thought:  Oh, no.    The eR took a month to fully settle into my system, but I think two weeks (powered continuously, if with a signal that whole time even better) is a good timeframe after which experimenting could be practical.  

 

I've had lots of equipment that never mentioned burn-in, but literally all have required it.  In my system, a month seems to be the magic number regardless of the type of gear.  I've always theorized that this is the result of capacitors.  They all seem to take a very long time and go through cycles of sounding harsh/bad, then good, then bad -- until they have fully settled in.  

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3 minutes ago, One and a half said:

Two weeks was about typical for power amps and SACD player, worked fine, but a month!

 

My DAC sounded very good right out of the box, a first for me.  A month later though, it was really sounding great.  I hate the month wait almost as much as my wife does (because I tend to leave it running at night, no amplification of course, and dislikes that for some reason).   Good luck.  Hope it works out for you.  

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7 minutes ago, Superdad said:

From someone in Austria--

"Hello Alex,

The Ether Regen did arrive.

I am stunned by the performance upgrade for my MolaMola Tambaqui.

Fantastic product. Worth every penny. 

+1     Had the same experience with the same DAC.  

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The new ER is busy burning in, it’s too new for me to make any decisions yet (less than a week) and I didn’t start running streaming music through it 24/7 until this morning after reading John Swenson’s remarks about it requiring a good amount of burn in. 
I also plan to add some audiophile Ethernet cables and an upgraded DC cable from the power supply (maybe a silver one per someone’s recommendation of silver over copper for DC cables?). 
Also, I installed a new JS2 power supply powering my DAC and a new power supply powering the ER all at the same time (about 6 days ago), so I have so many different things burning in at the moment in my system! 
I anticipate good results from all these changes in about 1-2 weeks once everything burns in and settles in!! 

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7 hours ago, Superdad said:

 

Hi Gary:

I personally hear the most change in the first 30-hours of usage. But if it--as my wife is fond of saying--"does not make your socks go up and down" then please do return it for a cheerful refund. Life is too short to live with things that do not spark joy (sorry, now I am quoting Marie Kondo! :)).

 

Speaking of sparking joy:

In sorting out the weekend's e-mail mountain this morning (oh Mondays!), I came across reports from other new EtherREGEN owners...

 

From someone in Austria--

"Hello Alex,

The Ether Regen did arrive.

I am stunned by the performance upgrade for my MolaMola Tambaqui.

Fantastic product. Worth every penny. ASR is dead wrong on the Ether Regen.

I am considering a LPS as next purchase.

Kind regards"

 

And here in the states--

"I just added the EtherREGEN to my system wired directly to my Innuos Zen Mk III. Wow! I thought I had great sound before and didn't really think I'd hear a difference sufficient to justify the price. I bought it with the ability to return it if I didn't like the performance, so I had no predisposition to imagine I heard an improvement. I had just watched the review on the Audio Science Review YouTube channel - which said it couldn't possibly affect audio sound positively. I should invite that guy to my house for some extended A-B listening! This was analogous to focusing an out-of-focus camera. Stunning improvement in clarity and sound stage. Distinct leading edges on even electric bass notes. Suddenly acoustic guitars sounded like acoustic guitars rather than pale imitations. Snare drums had the impact of snare drums. I couldn't stop listening. It's addictive. If the guy at Audio Science Review can't find a difference between this and a $20 switch, he's either measuring with instruments lacking sufficient resolving power, is measuring the wrong things or is looking at the data at the wrong level of "magnification." "

 

Yet as the saying goes, "your mileage may vary," and that is totally okay!

 

Best,

--Alex C.

 

 

Maybe the best way to prove audio science review wrong is to do a double blind test, record it in a video then show him that you got more than 8 out of 10 right. Doing the test several times with the same results would really show him.  =) 

 

note: im a noob in this but i just want to see if you would be able to take up his challenge and prove him wrong. 

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On 3/22/2021 at 7:07 AM, One and a half said:

3. JCAT -> 35m UTP -> A Side | B Side 1m UTP  -> Lumin U1. Power : 60-0-60V Uptone PSU.

How about doing a test in reverse B>A and fiber to Lumin ?

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