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2 hours ago, Meridimac said:

Question: Does reversing the ER to serve two endpoints from the "A" side compromise SQ?

 

The most obvious thing that comes to mind is that you'll have no moat separating one endpoint from the other, so they could influence or interact with each other, share ground noise etc.

TP-Link MR6400 4G router > Uptone EtherREGEN reclocker > Asus TBS/Volumio streamer > Mutec MC-3+ USB reclocker > LKS MH-DA004 DAC > Burson AB-160 XLR buffer > Belles SA-100 power amp > Usher Dancer Be-20 speakers. BG7TBL master clock. PS Audio P3 & P10 regenerators AudioQuest, Coherent, MCRU & Wireworld cables

https://theaudiostandard.net

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On 1/24/2020 at 10:33 AM, Superdad said:

Wonderful, thanks!

 

 

I will comment cautiously (9_9) as follows:

The EtherREGEN's Active Differential Isolation Moat and reclocking is very effective, and rather few people have indicated hearing much if any difference between feeding the 'A'-side of the EtherREGEN via optical or copper.  But in the case of using an EtherREGEN with an opticalRendu you would turn it around and feed copper into the 'B'-side and then fiber out the 'A'-side SFP cage to the opticalRendu. In which case it would be better to avoid use of the other 'A'-side copper ports so as to keep the optical feed "pure." Using just one-in-one-out reduces the EtherREGEN to a very elaborate--and highly effective--FMC.

 

As for your other question regards the ultraRendu versus opticalRendu:

They are both VERY fine products. And while it is not my place to reveal technical details about Sonore components, I can tell you that yes, the opticalRendu incorporates a few refinements over the ultraRendu--beyond just having an optical input. And what it takes to create that optical input also results in benefits to the unit. That is really all I am allowed to say.

That said, per John Swenson's personal listening tests, pairing an EtherREGEN with an ultraRendu does get you quite near the performance of the opticalRendu (with or without the EtherREGEN).

 

I hope that helps--and I hope not to see us divert too far down this path. 

Cheers,

--Alex C.

What is an "FMC" ?

Tarq

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7 hours ago, mrkoven said:

I want to try SFP, would something like this cheap TP Link be fine?

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Ethernet-Converter-Supporting-MC220L/dp/B003CFATL0

Any recommendation on SFP cable?


That will work, though you could get this one, which includes one SFP transceiver module already, and if you scroll down to Amazon’s “frequently bought together” section you will see + and + for a matching second SFP module and fiber cable.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0716XT1QT

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10 minutes ago, Superdad said:


That will work, though you could get this one, which includes one SFP transceiver module already, and if you scroll down to Amazon’s “frequently bought together” section you will see + and + for a matching second SFP module and fiber cable.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0716XT1QT

 

Thank you!

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I've ordered for the July batch. Really looking forward to see whether I hear audible improvement against a standard HP switch in my system:

Lumin U1 mini, RME ADI-2 DAC

both powered by HDPlex 200w PS

Feeding Mackie HR 624mk2 and Rythmik F12 sub

 

I use the EQ on the ADI 2 to fix some measured room modes and add a curve for my preference for a bit of warmth. Really liking the sound of this downsized system already so I'm hoping this will be some icing on the cake..

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On 6/7/2020 at 9:00 PM, dcas71 said:

I've ordered for the July batch. Really looking forward to see whether I hear audible improvement against a standard HP switch in my system:

Lumin U1 mini, RME ADI-2 DAC

both powered by HDPlex 200w PS

Feeding Mackie HR 624mk2 and Rythmik F12 sub

 

I use the EQ on the ADI 2 to fix some measured room modes and add a curve for my preference for a bit of warmth. Really liking the sound of this downsized system already so I'm hoping this will be some icing on the cake..

I'm also in line for July delivery of the ER.  I'll be connecting an opticalRendu and my OPPO 205 to the B side, and then experiment with a LPS if so desired.  Really looking forward to it. 

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Very cool Alex.  So glad to see you're busy, esp. in these crazy times we live in.  Nice deck as well.  Looks like you live in a pretty place.  Wanna say I have the utmost respect for John Swenson and his design and creativity ability.  I remember him from the squeezebox forum years ago.  Always loved to read his posts.  I had a Touch and John was mentioning he was designing a network player that would be better than the Touch, if I remember correctly.  I suspect that player turned out to be the microRendu, or so I am surmising.  And that's what I have now, but will be getting the opticalRendu to go with the ER.  Upgradeitis :)  What a great time to be a music and audio freak.

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On 6/11/2020 at 3:01 PM, MB said:

Wanna say I have the utmost respect for John Swenson and his design and creativity ability.  I remember him from the squeezebox forum years ago.  Always loved to read his posts.  I had a Touch and John was mentioning he was designing a network player that would be better than the Touch, if I remember correctly.  I suspect that player turned out to be the microRendu, or so I am surmising.

I spent a LOT of time and money on that project. I have several prototypes that actually work. It turned out the hardest part was laying out the back panel, there were 16 jacks on the fairly small back panel!!

 

There were two XLR and two RCA, each pin fed by its own DAC channel, so it was actually a 6 channel DAC. Yep, you could have done a 5.1 system with it. This took some custom drivers to make it work.

 

I even had a connector on the front of the board so you could take off the front panel and screw in a 7" LCD touch screen. I never built that but I did have the connector for it.

 

We had someone ready to build and sell it for a reasonable price, but then the whole project was derailed by legal issues that I cannot discuss. I was so bummed by the whole thing I just dropped out of the forums.Every now and then I pick up the test boards and look at them and hold them in my hands and wonder how it would have gone otherwise. I probably would have spent the rest of my life supporting it!

 

The microRendu was a completely separate design. 

 

John S.

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13 hours ago, JohnSwenson said:

 

I spent a LOT of time and money on that project. I have several prototypes that actually work. It turned out the hardest part was laying out the back panel, there were 16 jacks on the fairly small back panel!!

 

There were two XLR and two RCA, each pin fed by its own DAC channel, so it was actually a 6 channel DAC. Yep, you could have done a 5.1 system with it. This took some custom drivers to make it work.

 

I even had a connector on the front of the board so you could take off the front panel and screw in a 7" LCD touch screen. I never built that but I did have the connector for it.

 

We had someone ready to build and sell it for a reasonable price, but then the whole project was derailed by legal issues that I cannot discuss. I was so bummed by the whole thing I just dropped out of the forums.Every now and then I pick up the test boards and look at them and hold them in my hands and wonder how it would have gone otherwise. I probably would have spent the rest of my life supporting it!

 

The microRendu was a completely separate design. 

 

John S.

Wow, thanks for that explanation.  Well, at least we can all still benefit from your creative prowess.👍🙏

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By any chance did you experiment yet with using the Mutec with the EtherREGEN?  If so, any noticeable benefit at all?

Steve Schaffer

Roon Nucleus/ WD USB Drive / dCS Vivaldi Upsampler  / dCS Vivaldi DAC / dCS Vivaldi Clock / Spectral DMC-30SV preamp / Spectral DMA-500 monoblocks / Wilson Audio Alexia Series 2 speakers / Shunyata Denali - DPC6 - Sigma Ethernet / Synergistic Research Galileo interconnects / Uptone EtherREGEN switch

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@Ponkbutler

 

Nice review. Thanks for sharing.

Digital: 1Gbs Fiber to house, then to endpoint > looks like copper from endpoint to router (all stock from ATT) > 3' Monoprice Cat 5e from router to wall > 15-20' Cat 5e run under house to audio room >  3' Supra 8+ from wall to EtherREGEN "A" side (ER has stock PS) > ER "B" side 3' Supra 8+ to Aurender N10.

 

System: TAD Evolution system: M2500 amp, C2000 pre/DAC, E-1 speakers.

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5 hours ago, Ponkbutler said:

I had a Melco S100 on demo here for around 10 days, putting in around 150 hrs to burn it in, and listening both with its own power supply and then with an upgraded Sean Jacobs/Custom Hifi Cables DC3, which improved things quite a bit. Having heard that the S100 could at least equal an EtherRegen with external LPSU (Paul Hynes SR7) AND Mutec Ref 10 clock connected I thought it could be a good way of keeping my box count down. 

 

Anyway it was a considerable disappointment. A quite seductive, very warm lush sound with artificial pop-out details and an equally artificial expanded soundstage that actually "exploded" instruments, scattering, piano, drumkit and even guitar across the soundstage. Moreover, the very low noise floor seemed to be at the expense of instrumental tone and texture compared with the EtherRegen and indeed no switch. Microdetail also suffered, with certain clear sounds of singers' pronunciation being lost for example. So although very smooth and calm, the sound was both less realistic and much less dynamic than the EtherRegen, which was considerably fresher and more vital, more propulsive and impactful with better pace, rhythm, timing and decay as well as instrumental placement. And that's alongside everything above in reverse: better instrumental, tone, texture and microdetail. Much more lifelike. Piano didn't sound like piano on the S100, just a dull and syrupy relative. There was really no contest. I was extremely relieved to get back to my EtherRegens. Just thought I'd let you folks know.

Thank you for sharing. 

 

Your impressions are a one person's opinion, of course, but I'd like to offer my praises for breaking away from the old and so prevailing dogma of "The more expensive, the better it sounds." Pleasantly refreshing. 

Stereo

[Genelec 1032C x 2 + 7360 x 2] <== [MC3+USB x 3 <-- REF10] <== [AERIS G2] <== [EtherRegen x 2]
Chain switchable to [Genelec 8331 x 2 + 7350]


Surround

[Genelec 1032C x 3 + 8431 x 2  + 7360 x 2] <== [MiniDSP U-DIO8] <== [Mac Mini] 

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On 3/17/2020 at 12:12 PM, mourip said:

I am certain that my Mutec REF10 makes a nice difference clocking the ER.

 

What brand of clock cables are folks using to connect to the eR?  Thanks. 

Mola Mola Tambaqui / Kubala-Sosna XLR / Mola Mola Kaluga / KS biwire / B&W 803 D3

Ethernet:  iMac/Roon > ... in-wall 5e ... > Sonore opticalModule [Sonore 5V LPS] > UpTone EtherREGEN + Cybershaft OP13 [UpTone JS-2 LPS] > Tambaqui ( = DAC/Roon Endpoint/preamp)

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37 minutes ago, PYP said:

 

What brand of clock cables are folks using to connect to the eR?  Thanks. 

 

I am using a Sablon Audio 75 Ohm BNC clock cable to connect an output from my Mutec Ref 10 SE-120 to the EtherREGEN, which is powered from one 12v rail of a Coherent Systems QP-1 LPSU.

 

The Sablon Audio clock cable is superb value at around the $500 mark.

 

I also use Sablon Audio Panatela Reserva ethernet cables from router to EtherREGEN 'A' side and from 'B' side to dCS Vivaldi full stack!

 

Sablon Audio's entire range of cables are hugely impressive and great value for money (I also use the 2020 USB cable in my system)!

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41 minutes ago, MartinT said:

 

Short 0.5m Canare LV-61S 75 ohm cable, tested and found to be very decent.

 

I'm assuming this was DIY.  If not, could you provide a link?  Haven't seen any terminated 0.5m Canare.  Thanks.  

Mola Mola Tambaqui / Kubala-Sosna XLR / Mola Mola Kaluga / KS biwire / B&W 803 D3

Ethernet:  iMac/Roon > ... in-wall 5e ... > Sonore opticalModule [Sonore 5V LPS] > UpTone EtherREGEN + Cybershaft OP13 [UpTone JS-2 LPS] > Tambaqui ( = DAC/Roon Endpoint/preamp)

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10 hours ago, PYP said:

 

I'm assuming this was DIY.  If not, could you provide a link?  Haven't seen any terminated 0.5m Canare.  Thanks.  

 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32840161272.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.2c574c4dA25TM8

TP-Link MR6400 4G router > Uptone EtherREGEN reclocker > Asus TBS/Volumio streamer > Mutec MC-3+ USB reclocker > LKS MH-DA004 DAC > Burson AB-160 XLR buffer > Belles SA-100 power amp > Usher Dancer Be-20 speakers. BG7TBL master clock. PS Audio P3 & P10 regenerators AudioQuest, Coherent, MCRU & Wireworld cables

https://theaudiostandard.net

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