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3 minutes ago, Albrecht said:

Thanks much Super... but.... What about my TV, bluRay, NAS, Airport Express on the "A" side will all be running at the lower 100mb bandwidth from the "B," side "input."

 

A couple of things in the instance of using the 'A'-side SFP cage as "output" to your renderer (opticalRendu):

1) It is best to not use the other Gigabit 'A'-side RJ45 ports for other devices--so that you keep the complete isolation/clocking pure to your endpoint;

2) For the other upstream devices you mention, it will be best to keep those on another switch--ahead of the EtherREGEN--and then just feed one copper connection from that switch to the EtherREGEN's 'B'-port.

So for your use, you will just use the EtherREGEN as a highly isolated, dual-clock-domain FMC: copper in, fiber out.  Bandwidth will not at all be an issue. People are using EtherREGEN (with its 100Mbps 'B'-port) with DSD512 and 4K video.

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With etherregen, is networked audio now equal SQ to a player with internal hard drive playing directly without network?

 

I have an Auralic Aries G2 player with internal hard drive.  With Auralic's own player app I can play from the internal hard drive and avoid network noise.  I was hoping to use Roon, which requires me to flow audio over the network to play on the G2, regardless if it is from internal hard drive.  Right now my network only has cheap equipment and the internal drive sounds better direct, than with Roon over network.  Would etherregen make Roon sound nearly equally good?

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Our personal experiences with our own systems are all different. 

1. I have the Clones Audio SHAAR USB card with OCXO clock and direct outboard DC linear psu input. 

2. Reasonably optimized HQPlayer PC. 

3. Uptone Audio IsoRegen with Supercap LPS1 PSU.

4. Music source from onboard SSD with power from outboard Linear PSU.

 

The music SQ cannot compare with that from a networked solution from the same HQPlayer Server played through a ASUS AC-86 to a Netgear GS105 switch and ending at a SOTM Ultra Neo Ethernet endpoint. .

My Etherregen is coming with the January batch. So SQ should enjoy another jump.

 

Of course in your case  a Auralic Aries G2 player may sound better than a DIY Music server but in my case the source PC/Server is the same. So the comparison is still valid in many ways. You should try a network solution using a double switch set up ( in my case it is a ASUS AC-86 then a Netgear GS105 to a SOTM Ultra Neo Endpoint - optimize the psus = drop all the Switching Wall wart and use Linear PSUs throughtout; hack all your ethernet cables before you go Ether Regen. 

Or just buy it - it is really good value at its price.

See my post on Headfi.org below.

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/ethernet-cables-worth-to-buy-more-expensive-ones.913239/#post-15417347 

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If etherregen makes networked audio sound as good as internal hard drive, I would buy it.  Can it do that if my ethernet cable, router, and switches are all typical cheap type? 

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2 minutes ago, xrqp said:

If etherregen makes networked audio sound as good as internal hard drive, I would buy it.  Can it do that if my ethernet cable, router, and switches are all typical cheap type? 

If, as you indicated, you're considering using Roon as your library manager for music, you'll need a Roon server to run the Roon Core.  Roon Core uses its own Ethernet based protocol (RAAT) which runs over a network (Ethernet wired or WiFi) to Roon Ready end-points, of which the Auralic Aries G2 is one.  So, ideally, the B side connection from the EtherREGEN would be wired to your Auralic.  The A side would support other Ethernet attached devices, including other Ethernet switches or routers (which have ports), or NAS devices, and, of course, whatever you use to run a Roon Core (Intel NUC or Roon's own Nucleus hardware).  How you choose to continue to utilize your remaining network gear is up to you. 

 

Personally, I'm using a USB attached hard drive to my Roon Core server as I found running a NAS in the same room as my audio system too noisy.  Found a WD drive sufficient in size to handle my library of music and so quiet I cannot hear it making a sound unless I'm a few inches away.


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14 minutes ago, xrqp said:

If etherregen makes networked audio sound as good as internal hard drive, I would buy it.  Can it do that if my ethernet cable, router, and switches are all typical cheap type? 

 

I own a G2. 

 

First, know that the internal HD is the most noisy setup of all. The owner of Aurelic has a simple explanation to it, which you can look up on the company's forum. 

 

BTW, the cleanest solution is an SSD connected directly to your router. 

 

The ER has made a profound difference in my setup. The B side is connected to the G2, and the sound is phenomenal. I primarily stream off SoundCloud, and the chief detriment to SQ is poor mixing. However, when the mastering is good I can cry from joy. 

 

I use DIY cables and a NetGear router. And no, I don't believe expensive cables can make the slightest difference, although another switch in between might bump things up. 


[ AERIS G2 ] => [ MC3+USB x 3 <- -REF10 ] => [ Genelec 8341 x 2 + 7360 x 2 ]

[ Switchable to  [ Genelec 8331 x 2 + 7350 ]

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For me, after introducing the Ether REGEN between my router and my Roon Nucleus+ with internal SSD holding my music library, I have become agnostic as to whether I play tracks from Tidal or the SSD.... 


Andy

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And what about playing files or streaming if you place the Etherregen between your roon Nucleus and Streamer?... The goal is to make a step up in SQ with both tidal AND Nucleus (that is not the perfectly silent music server).

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In post 718 I wrote "the internal drive sounds better direct, than with Roon over network".  I take that back.  More careful testing tonight shows I can not hear a significant difference.  But maybe an etherregen would beat both ways.  

 

Thanks to LowMidHigh and so-no-mah for your comments.

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Similar setup here and there was a step up in SQ for both with the ER. I find Nucleus+ internal SSD stored tracks vs Quobuz on an even playing field. Also a good broadcast quality Belden CatSnake (preferably Cat 6a in my system) sounds better than any of the much more expensive cables I have tried. You can get this from DesignaCable in the UK or Ghent Audio over the channel. Second best in my system was the Blue Jeans Cat6a.

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7 hours ago, so-no-mah said:

For me, after introducing the Ether REGEN between my router and my Roon Nucleus+ with internal SSD holding my music library, I have become agnostic as to whether I play tracks from Tidal or the SSD.... 

I have the same findings. In fact it may be surpassing the local files played off an attached 1 tb hdd usb attached hard drive to my Cary DMS 600

if I attached the usb hdd to a router and then to the ER would I get the same benefit as the streamed files from Tidal? Sorry for my ignorance. 

Russ


Cary DMS 600 > Monoblock Odyssey Kismet Extremes in Stratos cases( Stillpoints, Sr Black fuses)> Paradigm Personas 5f, Combak Harmonica Footers, Cerious Technologies Matrix IC and Speaker Cable, Audience aR2p_TOSOX  power conditioner, Audience Au24se ,Triode Wire labs,Synergistic, power cables. 

 

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I don't have an etherRegen, but using a pair of Cisco 2960's (second one is poE powered by the first and only has oM and NUC on it) and then a pair of opticalModules, the difference between streaming and local files on the internal SSD in my NUC is negligible. FTR my modem is powered by an HDPLEX rail, though there is an Airport Extreme in-between the modem and main Cisco switch. Using the Cisco's esp after the inclusion of the second poE powered one, I'm hearing a lot of what people are describing going from a basic consumer or no switch to an eR. 


SERVER CLOSET (in office directly below living room stereo):NUC 7i5BNH with Roon ROCK and OWC external 2.5" HD (ZeroZone 12V on the NUC)>Cisco 2690L-16PS switch>Sonore opticalModule (HDPLEX 100)>LIVING ROOM:>Sonore opticalModule (Sonore Power Supply w/ SR Black fuse))>Ghent Audio JSSG Cat 6a cable>Sonore microRendu 1.4> (Uptone ) Uptone USPCB>Naim DAC V1>Witchhat DIN>Naim NAP 110>Chord Rumor 2>Audio Physic Compact Classics.

OFFICE:Naim Unitiqute V1>NACA5>KEF Ls50's, Cisco 2960PD. BJC cabling for ethernet aside from the Ghent and Naim stock AC cables with Wattgate or HifiKing Plugs. 

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Just a quickie, finally plugged something else into the A side. Hooked in my Apple TV 4K which feeds my AV system. Didn’t notice any video improvement, but the audio is definitely smoother. It’s had a roughness that iv e noticed since upgrading my receiver 12 months ago. Now noticeably smoother sounding.

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1 hour ago, elan120 said:

As a follow up on the impression from adding JCAT Net Card FEMTO to the chain, the short version is, it is absolutely improved the SQ by a clear margin.

 

I installed the card earlier today, and have been doing burn-in for few hours, although longer burn-in time is needed still, but I am very happy with the result already, and really think it is a good compliment to EtherRegen.

Couldn’t have put it better myself. I see my Jcat card and EtherREGEN as complimentary. 

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This is only the third song that is playing with the ER in the chain and already feel compelled to express my joy.

To be honest I had been wondering if the ER would bring anything to my system, because I consider it already highly isolated. Luckily there was nothing to be worried about. While I'm burning in the ER and while it's connected still in front of my AQVOX, I already hear a very obvious improvement. I will replace the AQVOX with the ER in a few days after I have done some other tests with transducers.

The anticipation had been high and this is a VERY nice birthday present. The unit was sent by Uptone on my birthday 🙂

Further listening impressions will follow. Back to the listening couch now...

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9 minutes ago, afrancois said:

While I'm burning in the ER and while it's connected still in front of my AQVOX, I already hear a very obvious improvement. I will replace the AQVOX with the ER in a few days after I have done some other tests with transducers.

The anticipation had been high and this is a VERY nice birthday present. The unit was sent by Uptone on my birthday 🙂

Further listening impressions will follow. Back to the listening couch now...

 

Well Happy Birthday Alain! :D

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19 minutes ago, afrancois said:

The anticipation had been high and this is a VERY nice birthday present. The unit was sent by Uptone on my birthday 🙂


Happy birthday 🎁 Alain.


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3 hours ago, simon_pepper said:

So 2 months on after putting the EtherRegen into my system, and I am amazed how much of a difference it, on its own, has made to the presentation, scale, timing and musicality of the content being streamed from local storage.

Now I was away for the Christmas week and then hearing was affected with the regular seasonal Christmas cold (how does it know you are off work?), but this morning two familiar albums played, and there are new elements, layers not previously heard in the last 15 years of this type of playback.

How does a network switch made such a difference to packet based data transfer?


yes, uptone, alex and john etc.

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Well that was interesting.  Several days in now and was thinking that, in addition to the benefits I listed before about improved leading edge definition, etc., that there was an added high-frequency lift relative to a standard D-Link switch.  However, with a bit more experimentation then it turned out that I can now hear a very clear difference between using HQP from a Mac Mini vs. using Roon Server + HQP on the same box.  Using Roon to feed HQP vs. HQP on its own flattened out the soundstage depth and lost some timbral accuracy.  It delivered a more energetic presentation, but ultimately one that I judged to be too forward relative to HQP on its own.  Bummer.  Roon is a much better front end that the HQP client provides, and is far more intuitive to use.  Plus, it of course gives access to Tidal, radio stations, etc.  Guess I'll have to switch back and forth depending upon priorities, but the real insight here is that adding ER into the mix means anything upstream of the device is now laid bare!

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