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7 minutes ago, Jud said:

The one other experiment I might be interested in doing is to try a USPCB between microRendu and IsoREGEN in place of the Ghent JSSG360 USB cable I have there now.

Looking forward to read your result.  I did the similar comparison recently except for a different USB cable and was between endpoint and the DAC.

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18 minutes ago, elan120 said:

Looking forward to read your result.  I did the similar comparison recently except for a different USB cable and was between endpoint and the DAC.


What is the verdict of that comparison? I now go from my server via a lush^2 to the IR and via uspcb to the DAC. The IR is now nicely tugged a away out of sight behind the DAC so that’s a plus. If I switch it around the IR comes in to view, I prefer not to have that. I have a spare original lush usb cable so maybe server->lush->IR->lush^2->DAC is an idea.


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2 hours ago, Jud said:

The one other experiment I might be interested in doing is to try a USPCB between microRendu and IsoREGEN in place of the Ghent JSSG360 USB cable I have there now.

Hi Judd, I am using the iR with  USPCB after the uR and the eR.Great results. Last week I upgraded my iR DC 4 cable for a https://audiosensibility.com/blog/sotm-audio/#!/Signature-Silver-DC-Cable/p/102469015

expensive but it’s an amazing cable!!! 

cheers Jorge 


AMP: Electrocompaniet ECI-6D; DAC: Oppo 205 (modded); ECI-6D

Streamer/endpoint: Zen MKIII/ultraRendu; Speakers: Proac Tablette Reference 8 Signature; Cables: Speakers (Acoustic Revive) + RCA (au24sx) + RJ45 (Vodka Audioquest) + USB (Diamond Audioquest) + Power (Pangea's + Actinote's) + iR&oM (Neotech 16AWG OCC Silver + DC 4); Filters/reclockers: Jensen VRD- iFF + Pink Faun Isolator + Acoustic Revive RGC-24 + HMS “The Perfect Match” + isoRegen; Switch: etherRegen + opticalModule; Cisco 2960; LPS: Sboosters MKI & MKII (+ ultra) + HDplex 200 + LPS 1.2

 

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Connected the ER to a Mac Mini, which feeds a TV set over HDMI and a MiniDSP AES sound processor over US. 

 

First, employed the A side. 

 A noticeable improvement in PQ. Grey blooming in nightly scenes is now completely absent. Colors are vibrant. 

No much difference in SQ

 

Next, the B side

Boom!! PQ is now brilliant. The screen is nothing less than mesmerizing. I’m complled to bat my eyelids here and there.

A big boost in SQ. The clarity and precision are notable. 

 

Conclusion: Going to order a second unit.


[ AERIS G2 ] => [ MC3+USB x 3 <- -REF10 ] => [ Genelec 8341 x 2 + 7360 x 2 ]

[ Switchable to  [ Genelec 8331 x 2 + 7350 ]

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On 12/26/2019 at 3:07 PM, alsterfan said:

As burning-in of my ER has reached 130hrs, I will soon come back and tell what happened so far.

As a lot has already been said by users, who were quicker than me, about the merits of ER sonicwise I in short will concentrate on what has happened in my chain after 300 hrs of burning-in.

Apart from the music being tighter and more precise it is mainly the soundstage which is still developing with instruments more focused, presenting more details in a more natural way, which is highly enjoyable, as is the fact that I can follow more easily and much longer the tones fading away.

So far I have used a 5TB 3,5´´ Thunderbolt HDD as music storage which "sounded" better than a 2,5´´USB-attached HDD.

But with more "quietness between the notes" I had to put away the Thunderbolt HDD now being too noisy. I hope I can overcome the disadvantage (sonicwise) of the 2,5´´ HDD by using a USB Regen.

Though I have decided to no longer write down what changes my ears picked up, I am convinced the ER is still on its way to make for even more musicality.

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On 11/15/2019 at 4:59 AM, Darryl R said:

My new EtherREGEN sounds marvelous.  I had been running from bridged JCAT Net connections on my Linux server directly to the Ethernet Renderer module in the MSB Select II DAC.  Now I'm running out the EtherREGEN and I hear more detail.  I'll no longer need the bridge.

 

Are there any other initial ER users finding benefit if they already had JCAT NET Femto in their endpoint/server?

I may have missed other reports but the above was the only one I could find in this thread.


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3 hours ago, HeeBroG said:

 

Are there any other initial ER users finding benefit if they already had JCAT NET Femto in their endpoint/server?

I may have missed other reports but the above was the only one I could find in this thread.

I use the JCAT card in my server. I use RoonOS so the config tweaks and options such as bridging are not available. But despite the significant difference the JCAT card made, using the ER was still a decent step up.

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On 1/4/2020 at 1:12 AM, cat6man said:

 can you explain what you mean by 'emplyed the a side' and 'next, the b side'?

i don't understand your setup.

 

My ER is placed between my NetGear router (A side) and Aeries G2 streamer (B side).

 

I also have a separate system to watch movies, with a Mac Mini as its brain. 

 

So first, I ran a CAT6 from the ER (A) side to my Mac Mini.

Next, I disconnected the streamer from the B side and plugged in its place the same CAT6 running to the Mac Mini.

 

Hope that helps.


[ AERIS G2 ] => [ MC3+USB x 3 <- -REF10 ] => [ Genelec 8341 x 2 + 7360 x 2 ]

[ Switchable to  [ Genelec 8331 x 2 + 7350 ]

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3 hours ago, R1200CL said:

I’m missing reviews with opticalrendu. Why isn’t anyone writing ?


I think a few have. I didn’t write a review but did mention that using the EtherRegen as a replacement of an opticalModule connected to my opticalRendu, was a significant upgrade. 


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I use JCAT Femto network card in my HQ Player PC. My audio chain is as follows:

NUC Roon Rock server > HQ Player PC > ER > Endpoint/DAC

 

Adding the JCat card produced a noticeable improvement a few months ago but the ER provided the more significant improvement.

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14 minutes ago, Crom said:

I use JCAT Femto network card in my HQ Player PC. My audio chain is as follows:

NUC Roon Rock server > HQ Player PC > ER > Endpoint/DAC

 

Adding the JCat card produced a noticeable improvement a few months ago but the ER provided the more significant improvement.

That is good to know.  Is the overall improvement a cumulative result from both JCAT Femto Network Card and ER or ER alone is enough to offset the benefit from JCAT card?

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14 hours ago, Ultrarunner said:


I think a few have. I didn’t write a review but did mention that using the EtherRegen as a replacement of an opticalModule connected to my opticalRendu, was a significant upgrade. 

Hi, 

Thank you. That's very interesting. So, - you used the EtherRegen with no B: side connected, and ran a fiber cable from the SFP of the EtherRegen?

 

Thanks again for your comments.

Cheers,

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3 hours ago, Albrecht said:

So, - you used the EtherRegen with no B: side connected, and ran a fiber cable from the SFP of the EtherRegen?

 

No, I think (hope) he ran into the copper ‘B’-port and “out” of the optical SFP on the ‘A’ side.  The basic architecture and the ultra-low-jitter reclocking flops of the EtherREGEN are symmetrical on the two sides of the differential isolation moat—specifically so that people could run B>A (to an optical endpoint) and still obtain the special performance features of our switch. 

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3 hours ago, Albrecht said:

Hi, 

Thank you. That's very interesting. So, - you used the EtherRegen with no B: side connected, and ran a fiber cable from the SFP of the EtherRegen?

 

Thanks again for your comments.

Cheers,


As Alex said. Copper in on B side / optical out to the opticalRendu.

 

I think it made as significant an improvement as changing from ultraRendu to opticalRendu, although it’s been a couple of months since I made that change. In any case, highly recommended!


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2 hours ago, Ultrarunner said:


As Alex said. Copper in on B side / optical out to the opticalRendu.

 

I think it made as significant an improvement as changing from ultraRendu to opticalRendu, although it’s been a couple of months since I made that change. In any case, highly recommended!

thank you again for your clarification.

 

Also,- great to know that you got a significant performance boost when moving to the optical from the ultraRendu. I plan to move from the ultra to the optical as well.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Superdad said:

 

No, I think (hope) he ran into the copper ‘B’-port and “out” of the optical SFP on the ‘A’ side.  The basic architecture and the ultra-low-jitter reclocking flops of the EtherREGEN are symmetrical on the two sides of the differential isolation moat—specifically so that people could run B>A (to an optical endpoint) and still obtain the special performance features of our switch. 

Hi Alex,

Thanks very much for commenting. And I do apologize, - I may have missed some details in the threads surrounding the topology of the etherRegen. 

 

I suspect that this may have been asked before, - but, - if you use the "B" side as an "input" will the "A" ports be forced to be 100MB or will they/can they be gigabit?

 

Cheers,

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17 minutes ago, Albrecht said:

Hi Alex,

Thanks very much for commenting. And I do apologize, - I may have missed some details in the threads surrounding the topology of the etherRegen. 

 

I suspect that this may have been asked before, - but, - if you use the "B" side as an "input" will the "A" ports be forced to be 100MB or will they/can they be gigabit?

 

Cheers,

When going from B to A, the CONNECTION characteristics of the RJ45 A ports don't change, they are still auto-negotiated to 10-100-1000, BUT since the B side is 100 the overall throughput is limited to 100. So if you connect to an A port at gigabit, the bits in a packet are traveling at gigabit protocol, but there is more time between packets.

 

The A side SFP interface is ALWAYS gigabit only.

 

John S.

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16 hours ago, JohnSwenson said:

When going from B to A, the CONNECTION characteristics of the RJ45 A ports don't change, they are still auto-negotiated to 10-100-1000, BUT since the B side is 100 the overall throughput is limited to 100. So if you connect to an A port at gigabit, the bits in a packet are traveling at gigabit protocol, but there is more time between packets.

 

The A side SFP interface is ALWAYS gigabit only.

 

John S.

Hi,

thank you John for that clear and concise explanation. For someone who wants to hang their TV, BluRay, AppleTV etc off of their etherRegen, - it may require some creativity in setting the proper location of their etherRegen. I believe that Alex mentioned this before, - but the etherRegen seems to belong on the audio rack.

 

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