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3 hours ago, Superdad said:

It is. So @Puma Cat, while I appreciate your support, let's please not take us down that road again. @plissken has an active thread going in the Networking sub-forum. Whoever wants can tilt at windmills over there.

Apologies for the digression, Alex. I don't plan on tiliting at windmills, but thanks for the heads-up on the other thread. 

 

Cheers,

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Digital: Mac Mini/Roon Core/Optical Module->long run of fiber->EtherREGEN->SOtM UltraNeo->Schiit Gumby DAC. Shunyata Sigma Ethernet/Alpha USB Amplification: Conrad-Johnson CT-5 preamp, LP70S amp Speakers: Harbeth 30.2/Power/Cables: Shunyata Denali 6000/S V2, Shunyata Delta NR & EF, NR-V10, NR-V12, & Venom 14 Digital PCs, Venom ICs, Delta SPs. 

 

 

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Cool, just got my shipping notice. Are the current batch shipping with new firmware flashed?

 

For a before/after test, check out Bubbles by Yosi Horikawa.

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Here’s an actual listening impression (not sure why people are posting shipping notices and FW questions here as opposed to other threads).

 

I finally moved my ER from my computer room (with a 30’ cable) to right next to my DS dac with a 3’ cable, which reversed the long and short cable positions.

 

Man am I glad I tried this!  Just as others have posted it’s a big leap in quality.

 

Incidentally, before I tried this, I wanted to hear the Dac connected directly to my mac’s second Ethernet port vs going through a standard router (Ethernet/WiFi).   Direct from the Mac sounded better, though I didn’t try to see if the ER made that preference go away.   So I would encourage anyone with the ability to bypass a switch altogether (other than the ER) to give it a try.

 

I’ll Now have to do some tests with and without the ER In position right near the DAC, but I imagine it will be a bigger improvement than being further away.

 

I also chose to run a long extension cable so the ER is not on the same AC line as the stereo/Niagara power conditioner, but I suppose that’s another test I’ll have to do.

 

Now I Can’t wait to try a premium Ethernet cable vs the the cat 6 coming out of the ER.  I can’t afford a high end 30’ cable.  

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Andres I will have to look into that cable, but unfortunately all my money is tied up in a comedy feature film I hoping to shoot this Spring.  I made an exception to purchase the ER because I sensed the modest additional cost  would allow the rest of my substantial investment to shine.  

 

 In case anyone is interested in the system I have the EtherRegen installed in, I just posted pics and a system description over at PS Audio's forum.

 

https://forum.psaudio.com/t/system-photos/8910/2381?u=emailists

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2 hours ago, emailists said:

Andres I will have to look into that cable, but unfortunately all my money is tied up in a comedy feature film I hoping to shoot this Spring.  I made an exception to purchase the ER because I sensed the modest additional cost  would allow the rest of my substantial investment to shine.  

 

 In case anyone is interested in the system I have the EtherRegen installed in, I just posted pics and a system description over at PS Audio's forum.

 

https://forum.psaudio.com/t/system-photos/8910/2381?u=emailists

Try the Tera Grand ultra flat or premium double shielded (jssg360 like) Cat 7 cables on Amazon. 50 feet for around $20 makes them affordable. My requirements are for a 10 to 12 feet long cable.

 

The flat cable sounds terrific here, much more open then the prior Monoprice slimrun cable. I later noticed that the premium cable has jssg360 like construction and acquired one for testing yesterday. It needs to cook for a few days before any critical listening.

 

Thanks to @Iving for the reminder to try the Tera Grand cables. Apologies to @Jud who just bought Monoprice cables on my recommendation.


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40 minutes ago, lmitche said:

Apologies to @Jud who just bought Monoprice cables on my recommendation

 

None necessary, my primary purpose was to eliminate torque on Ethernet connections, and for that the light flexible Slimrun cables work perfectly.


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Computer, Audirvana -> wi-fi to router -> EtherREGEN -> microRendu -> USPCB -> ISO Regen (powered by LPS-1) -> USPCB -> Pro-Ject Pre Box S2 DAC -> Spectral DMC-12 & DMA-150 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature.

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55 minutes ago, Superdad said:

So versus the $1,700 SoTM switch--which he uses two of--I'd say our modest offering came out smelling great! :D

 

 

I would agree. I haven't had a chance to fully comment, but the ER compares very well with two SotM's in series. I believe the SotM has a slight edge (more so with their external clock), but we're then comparing products in a completely different price bracket and doing this well at this price point is an absurdly great achievement.

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3 hours ago, FileMakerDev said:

My housemate, who has been subjected to my ever-evolving stereo system over the last four years, and whose response is typically a terse "sounds good", volunteered yesterday (after hearing the EtherRegen and ET^2 for the first time the other night), "Your system sounds the best it's ever sounded -- you shouldn't change a thing ever again."

Maybe he or she is trying to save you money? hahaha

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8 hours ago, McNulty said:

In The Netherlands there was a blind contest between seven switches. Unfortunately, the ER was not present. The SotM was very good, but also the Cisco Meraki. In general the conclusion was that the results where very close and the rest of your audio-system should be your first priority. Although differences are small, they are listenable.

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46 minutes ago, LowMidHigh said:

 

Those reports, including yours, might as well be true, but I take them with a grain of salt.

Audiophiles are notorious to be influenced by cost. "The more expensive, the better it sounds.," a consumer biase many unscrupulous vendors take advantage of.

I'll wait for the blind tests, thank you very much.

 

While I basically agree with you, the other way around is also the case: people who cannot afford or think something to be out-of-proportion expensive tend to question the added value or superiority of such products.


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6 hours ago, jos said:

In The Netherlands there was a blind contest between seven switches. Unfortunately, the ER was not present. The SotM was very good, but also the Cisco Meraki. In general the conclusion was that the results where very close and the rest of your audio-system should be your first priority. Although differences are small, they are listenable.

That test would be a lot more useful if more info about the data was available. It's not clear if their conclusion is really backed up by the data. It depends how you compile and analyze the data. But it's a good start. We could use some more tests like this. 


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16 hours ago, McNulty said:

 

I think there are a few interesting things here. Firstly, if we park the considerable price difference between ER and a fully tricked out SoTM then some will read this and opt for the SoTM. That's not intended in any way to disparage the considerable achievement that is the ER. Just acknowledging the trend in this hobby to chase absolute perfection.

 

Tho if you dive down that rabbit hole then you need 2 x SoTM switches and the price differential becomes 6 times rather than 3 😂Yeah, I'm sticking with my ER!

 

Second interesting aspect is that the ER and SoTM don't reportedly blend well and compliment each other.

 

Third for me is the finding that the ER does indeed benefit from a better PSU. (Fairly amazed there hasn't been more on this here tbh!). Intriguingly @CKKeung has clarified that he was advocating the LPS-1.2 as further improving the ER.

 

I'll add testing this to my backlog of tests and tasks. New firmware etc. But am hoping for some reports here on this.

 

Final comment relates to the Dutch switch shootout, rather than our Hong Kong friends, where the SoTM was highly rated but not by big margins. Struggling to get my head around this as the ER has a very significant impact in my system, others say the same for the SoTM. But the difference isn't huge compared to other switches. Huh? Confusing data point but well done to them for taking the time to do this. Ditto to CKKeung for his efforts.

 

Be interesting to see other head to head comparisons.

 

Cheers,

Alan

 


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On 12/7/2019 at 12:51 AM, BigAlMc said:

 

I think there are a few interesting things here. Firstly, if we park the considerable price difference between ER and a fully tricked out SoTM then some will read this and opt for the SoTM. That's not intended in any way to disparage the considerable achievement that is the ER. Just acknowledging the trend in this hobby to chase absolute perfection.

 

Tho if you dive down that rabbit hole then you need 2 x SoTM switches and the price differential becomes 6 times rather than 3 😂Yeah, I'm sticking with my ER!

 

Second interesting aspect is that the ER and SoTM don't reportedly blend well and compliment each other.

 

Third for me is the finding that the ER does indeed benefit from a better PSU. (Fairly amazed there hasn't been more on this here tbh!). Intriguingly @CKKeung has clarified that he was advocating the LPS-1.2 as further improving the ER.

 

I'll add testing this to my backlog of tests and tasks. New firmware etc. But am hoping for some reports here on this.

 

Final comment relates to the Dutch switch shootout, rather than our Hong Kong friends, where the SoTM was highly rated but not by big margins. Struggling to get my head around this as the ER has a very significant impact in my system, others say the same for the SoTM. But the difference isn't huge compared to other switches. Huh? Confusing data point but well done to them for taking the time to do this. Ditto to CKKeung for his efforts.

 

Be interesting to see other head to head comparisons.

 

Cheers,

Alan

 

How about applying a different logic?

 

Since so many users of the ER are content with the supplied SMPS—people with both the means and drive to maximize the performance of their systems—perhaps we should be weary of that HH sighted evaluation? Or put bluntly, perhaps their observations are biased? 

 

I personally take it as a red flag and thus don’t put much trust in the rest of their findings.


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Yup. Fair points.

 

To be clear I'm not trying to prove or challenge anything. But personally I have an unused LPS-1.2 sitting on my rack. Unused because it was powering my Aqvox switch which has been so comprehensively replaced by the ER. So it's a no brainer for me to try that experiment. Am guessing others will be in a similar situation so hoping for their observations.

 

Bigger picture the ER is in its infancy as a brand new product so any shared knowledge and experience that helps find optimal performance are welcome.

 

That said I'm in no rush to even install the firmware as its sounding so damn good already 😀


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