Popular Post firedog Posted November 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2019 11 hours ago, Superdad said: This thread is on its 7th page--with detailed and insightful first-hand reports from many people with extremely refined (and expensive systems (looking at you @stevebythebay). And there is also an active 7-page thread going on over at ASR where they can't figure out what this device could possibly do and are just bouncing around being dismissive and insulting. https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/uptone-etherregen.9260/page-5#post-266563 Oh well. Superdad- I actually think Amir's site provides a useful service - measurements. It's useful to see inexpensive products that measure really well, and expensive ones that don't. I'd personally stay away from any device with bad measurements and find a comparable product with better ones. Of course, I'd still want to listen to it. They can be pretty nasty at that site, and they assume $300 DAC that measures better automatically sounds better than an expensive DAC which doesn't measure as well - which I don't think is a "scientific" assumption. However, I would say in the big picture they have a point: We've yet to see measurements showing improvement AT THE DAC OUTPUT for the USB/network devices they denigrate. It's not so hard to show that a device itself is "quiet"; it's something else to show that the quiet actually improves the result at the DAC output. Archimago had a blog showing that a "noisy" server running full out directly connected to the DAC made no measureable difference to the output of the DAC compared to other devices. There are definitely people whose ears I trust; however sighted and subjective comparisons are not fully reliable. We all know that to be true. That's what the people at ASR are all about. pkane2001, Superdad, jhwalker and 1 other 1 2 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted November 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Superdad said: The real problem I have with ASR is not the measurements. Some of those can be useful even though they don't tell the whole story and don't correlate to all of what people hear. The problem I have with them--aside from the snide remarks, defamation, and follow-the-leader sycophantry--is the general lack of intellectual curiosity. Early in the thread over there I posted the same circuit board photo with annotated Technical Highlights that appears on our web site. Not one person asked about it; about the differential isolation and clocking and the idea behind it, or about anything. They simply started in with pages of ridicule and judgement. We went to a lot of trouble and expense to do something new, yet their minds are so closed that they completely dismissed it out-of-hand. Amir's own argument--which he showed tonight posting by switch error logs to prove there are no bit problems--makes it obvious he did not read a word of what we said about the issue and the mechanism of the EtherREGEN. And another manufacturer just wrote this, which really sums up the whole thing regarding the stance over there: "It's very simple. Anyone who has the slightest understanding of how ethernet works, how computers work, digital audio works, and is capable of just little bit of critical thought, will conclude there is no mechanism for this to make any improvement. It's a con. We don't need to see or measure it to draw an accurate conclusion. It's about not believing in fairies, not blindly believing the marketing claims and using existing knowledge to inform yourself." So while it is nice that Amir has an Audio Precision analyzer and likes to publish graphs of the gear people send him, in my view very little "science" actually goes on over at Audio Science Review. ===== Now back to those enjoying their EtherREGEN and reporting about our shared mass-delusion. Enjoy your fairies! The way to shut them up would be to post measurements that show your device improves the output at the DAC. They think it is impossible with network/USB devices and a well designed modern DAC. pkane2001, Patatorz and jhwalker 1 2 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted December 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2019 On 12/5/2019 at 1:53 PM, Jud said: One of my favorites for listening tests, because it's short, simple, emphasizes vocals, and this time it's something pretty much everyone has heard: The Beatles' "I'll Follow the Sun." Somehow Paul and John made their harmonies sound like no one else's. The voices so very similar, but just that bit of difference.... Funny, I use "Words of Love" from the same album - the handclaps (do they sound like real claps or just percussion?) and the ringing of the guitar are great ways to test how good a system is. Jud and Superdad 1 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
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