Popular Post FrankMA Posted July 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2020 On 6/13/2020 at 7:39 AM, FrankMA said: At about 250 hours I switched back to the tX after extended listening to the Phoenix. Whoa. Less dynamic. Constricted soundstage. Duller. Back to the Phoenix for good. The other things I noticed in addition to my initial observations was it seems quieter/less noise. Blacker backgrounds. Separation of instruments. Really nice upgrade Just to follow up now that I have over 500 hours on everything I recently added (an over 1000 on the Phoenix). The list is: Innuos Phoenix AQ Hurricane on DAC > replacing an older Shunyata Python CX Farad Super 3 on ER > replacing stock Uptone SMPS Lush 2 to DAC > replacing Lush 1 Audio Sensibilities DC cable on Farad > replacing stock Farad Also added PS Audio Powerbase under ER/Farad > ER previously on Herbie's I would say each incremental change added a nice improvement to my system in this order of impact: Phoenix Farad AQ Lush 2 Powerbase Audio Sensibilities I think the best way to describe what I have now is a totally non-fatiguing system. I no longer have any of those days/nights where you wonder why your system just didn't sound right. Why it sounded harsh. Or was just off. Was it the power grid? My ears? Time of day? I have never had such an extended period where every time I turn this system on I enjoy it. Just a lack of any digital harshness. Best soundstage (depth, width and separation) I have had in my room. Accuracy of instrument timbre. Dead silent when it is supposed to be. Of course I couldn't resist and just replaced my Ghent from the ER>MK2 SE with a 2020 Sablon Pantela Lan cable. So more testing to do. But I'm going to get off the merry go round for a bit and just enjoy this for awhile Although I have been thinking about fiber..............😅 kennyb123, austinpop, Exocer and 1 other 4 MAIN: Sonore Optical Module Deluxe/Farad Super 3 (7v) > Uptone EtherRegen/Farad Super 3(9v)/AfterDark Emperor Signature/Farad Super 3 (12v) > Innuos Zenith MKII SE (ER A) > ER (B) > Meitner MA-3 DAC > Ayre K-5xe MP Preamplifier > Ayre VX-5 Twenty Amplifier > Vandersteen Quatro Woods POWER: AQ Niagara 5000 > AQ (Hurricane)/Triode Wire Labs/Shunyata Python/Nordost Blue Heaven/Audience AU24 SE/Audio Sensibilities Sig Silver CABLING: Silversmith Audio Fidelium Speaker/Sablon Pantela Reserva 2020 Lan/Ghent JSSG360 Cat 6/AQ Earth & Pegasus/Aurelis Deuland 75ohm ISOLATION: Stillpoints/Symposium/IsoAcoustics/Herbie's/PS Audio Powerbase Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 hours ago, FrankMA said: I think the best way to describe what I have now is a totally non-fatiguing system. I no longer have any of those days/nights where you wonder why your system just didn't sound right. Why it sounded harsh. Or was just off. Was it the power grid? My ears? Time of day? I have never had such an extended period where every time I turn this system on I enjoy it. Just a lack of any digital harshness. Best soundstage (depth, width and separation) I have had in my room. Accuracy of instrument timbre. Dead silent when it is supposed to be. That's my hoped-for destination so congrats on getting there. Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
FrankMA Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Hi Kenny - temporary I'm sure and your bar may be higher MAIN: Sonore Optical Module Deluxe/Farad Super 3 (7v) > Uptone EtherRegen/Farad Super 3(9v)/AfterDark Emperor Signature/Farad Super 3 (12v) > Innuos Zenith MKII SE (ER A) > ER (B) > Meitner MA-3 DAC > Ayre K-5xe MP Preamplifier > Ayre VX-5 Twenty Amplifier > Vandersteen Quatro Woods POWER: AQ Niagara 5000 > AQ (Hurricane)/Triode Wire Labs/Shunyata Python/Nordost Blue Heaven/Audience AU24 SE/Audio Sensibilities Sig Silver CABLING: Silversmith Audio Fidelium Speaker/Sablon Pantela Reserva 2020 Lan/Ghent JSSG360 Cat 6/AQ Earth & Pegasus/Aurelis Deuland 75ohm ISOLATION: Stillpoints/Symposium/IsoAcoustics/Herbie's/PS Audio Powerbase Link to comment
MarkusBarkus Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Anyone compared a Triode Wire "Discrete" USB cable with the Phoenix vs. the Sablon 2020? I just yesterday began a Phoenix audition. Right off the bat sound was excellent on some jazz streams and local files (Aurender ACS10), but female voices were not what I would call "right." It's early, I get that. Unit has ample usage in dealer's personal system, however. Details: Dedicated AC // UberBuss power correction-supply // Oyaide Tunami power cable to Phoenix // Straightwire USB to Phoenix // Discrete USB to MScaler... Thanks! I'm MarkusBarkus and I approve this post. Link to comment
BigAlMc Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Does the Phoenix contain a replaceable fuse and has anyone tried replacing it with the SR Orange for example? If so then what size and amperage fuse do you need. The SR website contains a mind boggling list of types!! Same question for the Zenith / SE. I know you can replace the fuse there but what size/type? Happy Saturday All 😎 Cheers, Alan johndoe21ro 1 Synergistic Research Powercell UEF SE > Sonore OpticalModule (LPS-1.2 & DXP-1A5DSC) > EtherRegen (SR4T & DXP-1A5DSC) > (Sablon 2020 LAN) Innuos PhoenixNet > Muon Streaming System > Grimm Audio MU1 server > (Sablon AES) Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC > PS Audio M1200 monoblocks > Salk Sound Supercharged Songtowers Link to comment
FrankMA Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Hi AL - I have a SR Blue in the SE: Small (5x20mm) 3.15A 250v Slo-Blow. No issues I'll be curious on the Phoenix as well BigAlMc 1 MAIN: Sonore Optical Module Deluxe/Farad Super 3 (7v) > Uptone EtherRegen/Farad Super 3(9v)/AfterDark Emperor Signature/Farad Super 3 (12v) > Innuos Zenith MKII SE (ER A) > ER (B) > Meitner MA-3 DAC > Ayre K-5xe MP Preamplifier > Ayre VX-5 Twenty Amplifier > Vandersteen Quatro Woods POWER: AQ Niagara 5000 > AQ (Hurricane)/Triode Wire Labs/Shunyata Python/Nordost Blue Heaven/Audience AU24 SE/Audio Sensibilities Sig Silver CABLING: Silversmith Audio Fidelium Speaker/Sablon Pantela Reserva 2020 Lan/Ghent JSSG360 Cat 6/AQ Earth & Pegasus/Aurelis Deuland 75ohm ISOLATION: Stillpoints/Symposium/IsoAcoustics/Herbie's/PS Audio Powerbase Link to comment
BigAlMc Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Thanks Frank Synergistic Research Powercell UEF SE > Sonore OpticalModule (LPS-1.2 & DXP-1A5DSC) > EtherRegen (SR4T & DXP-1A5DSC) > (Sablon 2020 LAN) Innuos PhoenixNet > Muon Streaming System > Grimm Audio MU1 server > (Sablon AES) Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC > PS Audio M1200 monoblocks > Salk Sound Supercharged Songtowers Link to comment
BigAlMc Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 On 8/1/2020 at 11:56 AM, BigAlMc said: Does the Phoenix contain a replaceable fuse and has anyone tried replacing it with the SR Orange for example? If so then what size and amperage fuse do you need. The SR website contains a mind boggling list of types!! Hi Nuno / @nvitorino, Hope you are well. Can you advise on the above please? Does the Phoenix contain a replaceable fuse and if so what are the details? Many Thanks, Alan Synergistic Research Powercell UEF SE > Sonore OpticalModule (LPS-1.2 & DXP-1A5DSC) > EtherRegen (SR4T & DXP-1A5DSC) > (Sablon 2020 LAN) Innuos PhoenixNet > Muon Streaming System > Grimm Audio MU1 server > (Sablon AES) Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC > PS Audio M1200 monoblocks > Salk Sound Supercharged Songtowers Link to comment
nvitorino Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, BigAlMc said: Hi Nuno / @nvitorino, Hope you are well. Can you advise on the above please? Does the Phoenix contain a replaceable fuse and if so what are the details? Many Thanks, Alan Hi, You can use on the Phoenix the same fuse as the SE. The Phoenix consumes a lot less current than the SE so let us know the results when you try it. kennyb123 1 Link to comment
BigAlMc Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, nvitorino said: Hi, You can use on the Phoenix the same fuse as the SE. The Phoenix consumes a lot less current than the SE so let us know the results when you try it. Thanks Nuno, Much appreciated. Regards, Alan Synergistic Research Powercell UEF SE > Sonore OpticalModule (LPS-1.2 & DXP-1A5DSC) > EtherRegen (SR4T & DXP-1A5DSC) > (Sablon 2020 LAN) Innuos PhoenixNet > Muon Streaming System > Grimm Audio MU1 server > (Sablon AES) Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC > PS Audio M1200 monoblocks > Salk Sound Supercharged Songtowers Link to comment
Vangelis Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 On 7/29/2020 at 4:55 PM, MarkusBarkus said: Anyone compared a Triode Wire "Discrete" USB cable with the Phoenix vs. the Sablon 2020? I just yesterday began a Phoenix audition. Right off the bat sound was excellent on some jazz streams and local files (Aurender ACS10), but female voices were not what I would call "right." It's early, I get that. Unit has ample usage in dealer's personal system, however. Details: Dedicated AC // UberBuss power correction-supply // Oyaide Tunami power cable to Phoenix // Straightwire USB to Phoenix // Discrete USB to MScaler... Thanks! Did you ever get your Phoenix sounding right? TP-LInk 1200 WiFi router>Transparent Audio ethernet cable>Innuos PhoenixNet Switch>Muon Pro ethernet cable>Muon Pro>Grimm Mu2>AudioQuest Dragon XLR>NAD M23> Falcon 2024 Limited Edition LS35a & REL T7Xi sub. Synergistic Research Atmosphere Excite SX powers cords>Puritan Audio 156 pwr conditioner W/Ground Master City. Link to comment
MarkusBarkus Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Yes, sir I think the Phoenix is doing A-OK. I like the "Discrete" cables, but as I have no experience with the Sablons, I was ping-ing anyone who had by way of comparison. IMO the Phoenix seems to add by subtraction...just allowing a bit more "space" in the musical flow. Very nice, thanks for asking Vangelis. I'm MarkusBarkus and I approve this post. Link to comment
ASRMichael Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 5/17/2020 at 4:14 PM, matthias said: I am a "Source First" believer, so IMO when you do the USB host part right, you do not need them. But as always YMMV. Matt @matthias Was looking back at this, I’m interested if your thoughts have changed? Since the news of Emile will be releasing a USB card? The fact Emile is releasing a USB card indicates the Extreme hist USB is not perfect & will benefit from usb card pci card. Link to comment
matthias Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 4 hours ago, ASRMichael said: @matthias Was looking back at this, I’m interested if your thoughts have changed? Since the news of Emile will be releasing a USB card? The fact Emile is releasing a USB card indicates the Extreme hist USB is not perfect & will benefit from usb card pci card. I am completely fine with that, Emile does with this card the USB host part right, so an additional USB reclocker is not necessary. I hope the Extreme will sound even better with this card. Matt "I want to know why the musicians are on stage, not where". (John Farlowe) Link to comment
Popular Post BigAlMc Posted September 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2020 https://audiobacon.net/2020/09/08/innuos-phoenix-usb-reclocker-review/amp/ I was beginning to worry about Jay as he hadn't posted anything interesting (to me at least) for a while. He's back 😃 "It becomes clear that this component is more of a necessity than an accessory. " yellowblue, soares and kennyb123 2 1 Synergistic Research Powercell UEF SE > Sonore OpticalModule (LPS-1.2 & DXP-1A5DSC) > EtherRegen (SR4T & DXP-1A5DSC) > (Sablon 2020 LAN) Innuos PhoenixNet > Muon Streaming System > Grimm Audio MU1 server > (Sablon AES) Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC > PS Audio M1200 monoblocks > Salk Sound Supercharged Songtowers Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 On 9/11/2020 at 11:02 PM, BigAlMc said: "It becomes clear that this component is more of a necessity than an accessory. " I kinda wish you hadn’t shared that. I wasn’t expecting this: “After swapping other cables around, I realize the cable between Phoenix and server almost overrides the Phoenix to DAC cable. In short, use the better cable between server and reclocker. The cable from reclocker to DAC doesn’t matter as much.” Has anyone else found that to be the case? @BigAlMcyou likely did the right thing by having Sablon 2020 USB cable on both sides of the Phoenix. My Sigma USB delivered a tremendous upgrade so I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around using a lesser USB cable downstream as I can’t see myself getting a second Sigma. Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
BigAlMc Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 17 hours ago, kennyb123 said: kinda wish you hadn’t shared that You're most welcome Ken 😁 kennyb123 1 Synergistic Research Powercell UEF SE > Sonore OpticalModule (LPS-1.2 & DXP-1A5DSC) > EtherRegen (SR4T & DXP-1A5DSC) > (Sablon 2020 LAN) Innuos PhoenixNet > Muon Streaming System > Grimm Audio MU1 server > (Sablon AES) Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC > PS Audio M1200 monoblocks > Salk Sound Supercharged Songtowers Link to comment
Popular Post tgb Posted October 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2020 Hi, on all pictures of inside the Phoenix box there is a sticker on the clock... Could someone take off this bloody sticker to know the reference of this OCXO ? :-) Thks. Rgds. Exocer and RickyV 2 2.1 basic stuff => 2 mains are Dynaudio Core59 + sub Dynaudio 18s Actives / digital AES in / active correction on PC side Passive daddy setup is dead Link to comment
ASRMichael Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 2 hours ago, tgb said: Hi, on all pictures of inside the Phoenix box there is a sticker on the clock... Could someone take off this bloody sticker to know the reference of this OCXO ? :-) Thks. Rgds. It’s a Connor Winfield as far as I’m aware! Exocer 1 Link to comment
nvitorino Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 15 hours ago, tgb said: Hi, on all pictures of inside the Phoenix box there is a sticker on the clock... Could someone take off this bloody sticker to know the reference of this OCXO ? :-) Thks. Rgds. It's not a sticker - it's EMI absorbing paper... The OCXO is the Connor-Winfield OH200-50605CF. But again, the clock alone will not do much for you... It may or may not work well for you depending on the design you are doing. Blackmorec 1 Link to comment
tgb Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, nvitorino said: It's not a sticker - it's EMI absorbing paper... Thanks for feedback nvitorino, I didn't catch that point. Thanks for the reference of the clock. It is the one I managed to find. Netherless, for my DIY work, I prefer to choose a clock easier to implement, like the NewClassD (although it is more expensive). As you mention it : power goes 1st by a big margin, reference of the clock goes 2nd (5 or 20 ppb stability is not THE big stuff that change SQ like hell). I agree 100% vs your last 2 posts. Thanks for pointing out the relevant issues. Rgds 2.1 basic stuff => 2 mains are Dynaudio Core59 + sub Dynaudio 18s Actives / digital AES in / active correction on PC side Passive daddy setup is dead Link to comment
noel.gregoire Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 HI all, what is SQ difference between zenith MKII and MKIII (both) connected to a phoenix ? is it worth making the upgrade that only affects the power supply and no motherboard changing MKII for a MKIII doing nothing ? Link to comment
PGAUDIO Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Hello stay with mk2 ! Phoenix reclocker is the key ! Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Hi, Anyone tried an Ideon Master Time 3R re-clocker with their Innuos? Sightly off topic as its a different manufacturer but it really is worth a try if you can obtain a demo unit and compare with a Phoenix. Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 10 hours ago, noel.gregoire said: HI all, what is SQ difference between zenith MKII and MKIII (both) connected to a phoenix ? is it worth making the upgrade that only affects the power supply and no motherboard changing MKII for a MKIII doing nothing ? The Mk3 was a big step up from the Mk2. I am inclined to believe that step will still be there with the Phoenix. Power supplies matter for every component in the chain, so the improved power supply in the Mk3 should be worth it regardless of what follows. In my case I swapped out a Mk2 for a Mk3 and did not pursue the power supply upgrade for the Mk2. I think most of the benefits came from the improved power supply though just given the nature of the improvements. Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
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