ConcreteCow Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Hello everyone, I've just joined up and I'm following this thread with great interest as I will soon be placing an order for a Pheonix. Please keep the great info and chats coming as I find them of great help and they allow me to understand more fully of all the capabilities that may come my way with the Pheonix. I'm currently running a Zenith MK3 through a Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated Amp and a Topping D90 MQA DAC. Sound is fed through my Klipsch Forte III's. USB from the Zenith MK3 to the D90 MQA DAC is an Audioquest Coffee. Looking forward to chatting with you all. Cheers! 🍻 Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 That's fab Alan! Thank you for sharing that useful comparison and outcome. I'm now emailing Sablon for availability and price for the 2020 USB in preparation of my Phoenix order. I've got an Audioquest Coffee USB going from my Zenith MK3 to the D90 MQA DAC. If I kept it and used the Sablon 2020 to go from the Phoenix to the D90 MQA DAC do you think it would be OK? Or used the other way around? Cheers!🍻 Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 3 hours ago, BigAlMc said: Hi @ConcreteCow, I'd agree with Kenny. Think you need to try each combo and see what you like more. Never heard the Coffee myself but it has a good reputation. That said many people are describing the Sablon 2020 as a giant killer. FWIW I also have a Lush on hand and plan on trying it with the Sablon 2020 to see if I can get a best of both worlds blend of the 2020s open, details and the Lush's texture and musicality. Be interested to hear how you get on. Cheers, Alan Hi, Thanks for all your info. Looking forward to giving this Sablon 2020 a go...... But that Lush USB! It's apparently a 'tuneable' USB! Wow! Going to give this one a thorough read up! 😁 Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Still reading about it and trying to understand if it's the 'way to go'. Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 4 hours ago, BigAlMc said: Yeah, the Lush^2 is a real brain scrambler in terms of the differences a cable can make, and the differences the SAME cable can make 🙃 Please let us know of the Lush ^2 with the Phoenix. This will be of great interest. Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Narrowing my USB choices down to: Sablon 2020 - seems to be the 'end game' at the moment Curious Evolved - new version that is getting a great following Final Touch Audio Callisto - the USB lurking in the background of 'greats' Wireworld Platinum Starlight 7 - a firm favourite with many Phasure Audio Lush 2 - good reviews offering something different and 'tuneable' A good selection that gives me a headache to decide 'which one'!!! Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Lush 2 it is then. I will read the lengthy thread again to make sure I understand the cable and it's settings. Also noting the Wire settings based on what users hear. This will hopefully give me a 'leg up' when I start to use it. From thereon I can begin to fine tune it in to my system. I'll use my AQ Coffee from the Zenith to the Phoenix and then the Lush 2 to the D90 MQA DAC to begin with. Thanks all.... I will keep you posted on what happens soon. Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, FrankMA said: Hi Alan I love the Lush 2's paired with the Phoenix. I am really averse to thin or overly bright sounding systems and in this regard the Phasure's fit the bill in my system. In this regard they remind me of AQ cables: Full, musical, balanced. Add in the tuning capabilities of the Lush 2 and I think it's a winner Not to say there aren't other great cables out there but I think at this price point the Lush's would be hard to beat Hi FrankMA, May I ask what Jumper/Pin settings you went with on your Lush 2's? Many thanks. Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
Popular Post ConcreteCow Posted June 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2020 Hi Alan, PM received with thanks. Thanks for the config post above. Yes... sorry... slightly off topic. Phoenix now ordered. USB cable chosen thanks to everyones input. Looking forward to reporting back on my Phoenix setup and sound thoughts. Many thanks and regards to you and all who participated. FrankMA, BigAlMc and kennyb123 2 1 Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 yellowblue, Congratulations! Thank you for letting us know your very first thoughts of the Phoenix. I'm sure it will get even better as time goes on. Looking forward to reading more of your thoughts later down the line. Glad to hear it's working fine with your Lush^2 cables as my Lush^2 is arriving tomorrow. I would like to put in some hours listening with it before I introduce the Phoenix to the chain. Happy listening! 🔊 🎶 Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 2 hours ago, PGAUDIO said: This is my findings with ZENITH Mk3 Not really worth it ! Phoenix reclocker on the other hand is great ! Does that mean a Zenith MK3 on its own is not worth it unless a Phoenix is attached? Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Hi, Anyone tried an Ideon Master Time 3R re-clocker with their Innuos? Sightly off topic as its a different manufacturer but it really is worth a try if you can obtain a demo unit and compare with a Phoenix. Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Koso said: Phoenix USB arrived today. Starting burn in. Will report my findings after one - two weeks. Also will do the comparison with another reclockers (Ideon 3R Master time and Denafrips Gaia). Stay tuned. Excellent… this will be good to hear from another member. I did this comparison, Phoenix/3R, a while ago so I’m looking forward to your thoughts as well. I’m particularly interested with your comparison with the Gaia as this is one unit I almost pressed the button on recently. Can you give your thoughts on the 3R/Gaia please? Many thanks. Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Koso said: In my setup Gaia is best reclocker so far. To be honest I was little bit disappointed with 3R reclocker. It sounds good, but in my setup Gaia sounds better. 3R is very smooth sounding, adding sort of calmness to the sound, but maybe the result is too calm, too smooth. Bass is bigger, goes lower with 3R, but lacks control. Gaia has more balanced sound, smooth, but not too smooth, bass has less volume, but better controlled. Gaia adds more air, everything is more natural. Thank you for your detailed reply. This is what I expected to hear really. So, which do you think, an AES/EBU XLR or Coax out of the Gaia in to the Chord DAVE? Koso 1 Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I believe correct orientation is 'S' -> 'R' flow Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Too true! One would need to either seek schematics of the unit or speak with the Manufacturer.... unless you have an electronic tester and know how to use one to determine flow direction. Koso 1 Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
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