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My only need for my DAC is for playback from FLAC files stored on an external HD.

 

I don't use DSD or any other streaming apps.

 

What DAC would be significantly better than my Schiit Yiggy ???

 

Any and all help will be appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

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If you don't have the analog 2 upgrade, consider getting it.  Otherwise, IMHO at this level, all you get are different sonic flavors (typically subtle differences evident in direct A/B testing), even going up to something like the Chord Dave will not be significantly better, or even better at all depending on your personal sound preferences.

 

Perhaps a dcs Bartok would be significantly better?  Who knows, I've never heard one.


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3 minutes ago, Blake said:

Perhaps a dcs Bartok would be significantly better?  Who knows, I've never heard one.

 

Or maybe MSB Select Dac.  😬


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7 hours ago, matthias said:

 

What is the rest of your set-up?

Maybe the replacement of a more upstream component has a much greater impact than that of the Yggy.

Does your Yggy have the latest upgrades?

 

Matt

Agree, a system can't sound better than its weakest link


Regards,

Dave

 

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The Matrix Element X looks interesting.  It will objectively measure much better than the Yggy at a minimum, but sounding better will be up to your ears.  Seems like less of a gamble than most and has a streamer.

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I’ve never heard your DAC but plenty of owners seem to rate it highly  (although not so much on measurements according to ASR).

 

Is it possible that, regardless of budget, there is another DAC that will be an improvement? Most likely yes, but whether you would deem it a cost effective improvement is another matter..  My suggestion is try and borrow something else highly rated for its PCM capability from a dealer for a home dem in your system over a number of days and see whether you think your DAC can be improved on.  Not something you’d necessarily buy or budget for but just as a test.  Perhaps a Chord DAVE or Hugo TT2/Mscaler?  For an end game PCM only DAC I’d also think about the Phasure NOS, but not sure how easy that is to home dem.

 

It’s also possible that your source could be improved (it’s not clear how the music gets from hard disk to your DAC). Again, just  as a test I’d suggest trying  http://wtfplay-project.org/ (see also thread under software at this site).  It’s free and while it won’t  suit everyone as a permanent option, at least if you notice an improvement in SQ it will demonstrate that your source can also be improved on.

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2 hours ago, Norton said:

I’ve never heard your DAC but plenty of owners seem to rate it highly  (although not so much on measurements according to ASR).

 

Is it possible that, regardless of budget, there is another DAC that will be an improvement? Most likely yes, but whether you would deem it a cost effective improvement is another matter..  My suggestion is try and borrow something else highly rated for its PCM capability from a dealer for a home dem in your system over a number of days and see whether you think your DAC can be improved on.  Not something you’d necessarily buy or budget for but just as a test.  Perhaps a Chord DAVE or Hugo TT2/Mscaler?  For an end game PCM only DAC I’d also think about the Phasure NOS, but not sure how easy that is to home dem.

 

It’s also possible that your source could be improved (it’s not clear how the music gets from hard disk to your DAC). Again, just  as a test I’d suggest trying  http://wtfplay-project.org/ (see also thread under software at this site).  It’s free and while it won’t  suit everyone as a permanent option, at least if you notice an improvement in SQ it will demonstrate that your source can also be improved on.

 

Just for you. Better DACs would be March Audio DAC1 and the Topping D50s on the less than $500 side. For a few more dollars the Okto Research DAC 8 and the SMSL D1 less than $1,500.

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Always list your other gear when asking questions like this.  I found this:

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"My current computer setup- Mac Mini----JRiver Media Player-----ISO Regen/external power supply----Schiit Yiggy-----my only source is Flac files stored on an external Thunderbolt drive.

 

The rest---Pass Labs-Martin Logan Montis's.....I'm actually thrilled with the current audio performance, but I'm thinking it can be even better.

 

Which leads to my question.....Aurender N100H Network Music Streamer with USB Output and 4TB HD

 

IF I wanted to invest another 3K...is the above a good option? If not what would you do with a 3K budget?"

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So what isn't pleasing about your system?  You have a nice vinyl rig, but understand that vinyl is _usually_ a very musical and forgiving source if it's well set up.  But digital might need help in your system: have you tried tube gear?  If you want some real magic, try a tube preamp and/or tube DAC like a Lampizator.  I suggest you try out a Schiit Freya, the new "+" version and with the better Tung-Sol tubes (~$1k total), and you might find that a lot more stimulating.  Tubes make a much bigger (pro or con) difference than a DAC change, typically.  I wouldn't recommend a tube amp unless you really want much more of tubes than sources/preamps can deliver.


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My system sounds amazing. It sounds amazing, because i have upgraded every piece probably a dozen times over the last 30 years.

 

Audio is a hobby to me. Rarely have I ever upgraded and not been thrilled with the result. I'll be honest I understand the analogue side of my system a lot better than the digital side. Thus my questions on this forum.

 

I have no interest in MQA or DSD...actually I'm not even sure what they are. I do have an enormous library of Flac Files. So I am interested in a great DAC like my Yiggy. I guess I'm curious on whats a noticeable improvement over my Yiggy.

 

As always I appreciate all the help and guidance that this forum provides.

 

BTW- As noted above- My system consists of-

Pass Labs Int 60-Integrated amp

Martin Logan Montis-Speakers

PS Audio P-10  Power Purifier/Regenerator

Schitt Yiggy- DAC

All Audience Interconnect, Speaker Cable and Power Cords

VPI-Prime Signature Turntable

Ortofon Cadenza Bronze-Cartridge

Pass Labs XP-17 Phono Pre Amp

 

 

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Wouldn’t the A2 upgrade be worth a try as most of it’s cost would be recovered in resale value if you didn’t like the results and moved on from it?


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6 hours ago, krelldog said:

....As always I appreciate all the help and guidance that this forum provides....   .....BTW- As noted above- My system consists of....

 

Glad to hear it!   FWIW, I have a good DAC but am in a similar situation; I'd like to try a different DAC, my current is an Oppo UDP-205.  OTOH, My hearing has been very damaged in the last 2-3 years.  I still want to keep native DSD payback ability (the Oppo does DSD512) because I've had good experiences with SACDs done from tapes, so want to keep the DSD ability. 

 

I'm looking at something very good but not terribly costly, like a Holo Spring KTE.

 

Side note: I wish the industry would finally settle on PCM because the majority of  sound engineers who actually use hi-res well prefer it, and there is always an absolute level indication.  DSD could be delivered with metadata to provide absolute level every few ms, but currently that's not part of the process--silly.   


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On 8/22/2019 at 9:18 PM, Rt66indierock said:

 

Just for you. Better DACs would be March Audio DAC1 and the Topping D50s on the less than $500 side. For a few more dollars the Okto Research DAC 8 and the SMSL D1 less than $1,500.

I'd also suggest trying both more expensive and less expensive DACs and see what, if any, differences you hear. You might conclude the upgrade isn't worth the cash. The Topping DACs (including the new D70) measure very well - close to state of the art. 
Others in your price range would be the iFi iDSD Pro, the Benchmark ,and the Myteks.

As far as more expensive DACs my favorite in the under 10K range is the Playback Designs Merlot. It's FPGA based (no chip) so it can get upgrades over time. 


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Secondary Listening: CAPS Pipeline>IFi iOne DAC>Schiit Freya>Kii Three . Also an SBT and a RB Pi 3B+ running piCorePlayer as an SBT emulator. 

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On 8/21/2019 at 12:17 PM, Dr Tone said:

 

Or maybe MSB Select Dac.  😬

Yep $$$$


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I find it a bit amusing that some are suggesting it would be difficult to improve on the performance of the Yggdrasil.  I would suggest that in many cases this opinion is only wishful thinking, rather than being based on direct experience of listening to really good DACs in the same system.

If one really likes the sound of the Yggdrasil, I would suggest looking at other R2R style DACs.  Most of these are, of course, going to be significantly more costly, but one (sometimes) gets what one pays for in a DAC.

so, other R2R DACs:  MSB, as mentioned above are some of the best.  Recently I have been listening to the Bricasti M21, and it is a very, very good DAC with superb build quality (has to be seen to be believed, especially internally, the photos do not do it justice).  Maybe TotalDAC, but I have not heard those at home myself.  Also Resolution Audio Cantata comes to mind as well...

 

If you are looking for a "different" sound, then maybe listen to some of the DSD based DACs, like PS Audio DS, Playback Designs, Mola Mola Tambaqui, Meitner and EMM labs, etc... 


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On 8/31/2019 at 6:45 PM, barrows said:

I find it a bit amusing that some are suggesting it would be difficult to improve on the performance of the Yggdrasil.  I would suggest that in many cases this opinion is only wishful thinking, rather than being based on direct experience of listening to really good DACs in the same system.

 

Please go back and read this thread again more carefully.  The OP is asking for a "significantly better" DAC.  Nobody in this thread suggested it would be "difficult to improve on the performance of the Yggy".  Of course "significantly" means different things to different listeners.

 

I know you are in the industry so perhaps you have tried dozens of TOTL DACs in your system (and if you didn't audition the DAC's in your system, then any opinion should have a huge grain of salt attached to it).  Most of us don't have that luxury. 

 

However, some other very experienced and knowledgeable people have bought and sold many dozens of DAC's (many at much, much higher prices, using their own personal funds), auditioning in their own system and have found the Yggy to be highly competitive and even better than some of these much more expensive DAC's.  That is not to say everyone would hear the DAC's the same way, or even that the majority would agree, but it is a data point to consider.

 

No one DAC will please everyone, same as any other component.  IMHO, at this level it really just becomes a matter of personal taste and system/room matching and that is why I question how many DAC's would be "significantly better" such that I would be willing to pay 3x, 4x, 5x or more.  I am quite certain there are a number of DAC's out there I would prefer to my Yggy and probably even some that I would determine to be significantly better,  but I'm just not that motivated to try or spend a bunch more to try since I'm happy with my Yggy and it gets bonus points for being relatively cheap.

 

 


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A few (higher priced) DACs that I believe would be significant improvements to your Yggy:

 

1 - Ayre QX-5 Twenty. Fully loaded version (with all digital inputs including Ethernet renderer) is about $9K. Often available for sale in used market for $5K to $6K

 

2 - MSB Technology Discrete DAC. MSRP of about $10K with no modules. If you add one of the modules plus the second power supply, it gets about $13K. Yes, pricey, but totally worth it. I don't think I have ever seen one in used market though

 

And there is nothing wrong with experimenting. This is indeed a hobby, not life or death situation

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