bsinc Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Not unanticipated. Roll outs have bugs.The Aurender display indicates titles being played as pcm. I have no problem participating in possible solutions. Posting here because I know Ryan is active in this thread. I will also send service request to Aurender. Will keep the community updated. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, bsinc said: Hello All, now that Aurender is offering native DSD on the N100 I am looking forward to experiencing more of the capabilities of the Qb-9 Twenty. To that end the newest software is installed on the Aurender. The following appears: @AriMargolis should connect with @Ryan Berry on this one. I know another manufacturer had to make an adjustment for native DSD to work with the Twenty. Nobody’s fault, just a little tweak. AurenderAmerica 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Ryan Berry Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Thanks for the report. We'll be in touch and see what needs to be done. Cheers, Ryan President Ayre Acoustics, Inc. Link to comment
Yoram Diamand Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Hi, I use a QB-9 24/96 with Qobuz Studio, and I am saving my pennies for the DSD Twenty upgrade. Some of you talk about the Regen USB tool, I myself have the iFi Audio nano iUSB3.0 Power Supply & Data Optimizer, which you cannot buy anymore. Is it a good idea to use it with the upgrade, or better to trust the clocking etc. of the DSD Twenty technology? Of course I can have a listen when the gear is there, but what would be the theory? I am happy with Ayre making my purchase of the QB-9 24/96 more relevant to modern times. The 24/96 I presume is now rather archaic. Link to comment
Ryan Berry Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 With the QB-9 being asynchronous, you're likely getting little benefit from external reclocking solutions. However, I think people are seeing an improvement with devices like these as they add an extra level of isolation on the incoming power. Your QB-9 uses the PC's power and ground to power the USB PHY chip prior to isolation from the rest of the digital circuit. We then send it over to the DAC after separating the ground and adding our own power supply for the rest of the digital circuit. Having a separate power supply from the PC going into that PHY chip would very likely have varying levels of improvement depending on the PC. Of course, as you said, the best way to tell what you prefer is to try it out and let me know what you think. I may want to pick up one for myself! As far as improvement, I think you'll be pretty blown away going from a 24/96 QB-9 to the Twenty. Each upgrade we've done on this particular unit has been pretty spectacular in how much it improved from the previous version, so jumping straight to the Twenty is going to sound a lot different for you, I'd wager. President Ayre Acoustics, Inc. Link to comment
Popular Post AurenderAmerica Posted May 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2020 FYI, any QB-9 users who also use an Aurender, Native DSD input is now confirmed to be working. It will work for all users after the next Aurender firmware update, but if you're hot to trot, you can reach out to us at [email protected] and we'll update your system in advance on a case-by-case basis. Note: Native DSD output is not available yet on some Aurender models, but it is coming soon across the board. Onward & upward. This particular instance did not require Ayre to do anything on their end as it only required an Aurender update, but I'd still like to thank Ryan and Gary for being super helpful with other recent issues. They are super generous, smart and helpful. They have made me personally a big Ayre fan. desbiss, barrows, Ryan Berry and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post barrows Posted May 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2020 Yup, the Ayre guys, Ryan and Gary, rock! Ryan Berry, beetlemania and desbiss 1 1 1 SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 512-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical with Well Tempered Clock--DIY DSC-2 DAC with SC Pure Clock--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112 sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. ISOAcoustics Oreas footers. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | Accessories | Software | Link to comment
Yoram Diamand Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Thank you, I am betting with my 1790 euro you are right, and the DSD twenty upgrade will be a delight for my ears, coming from the 24/96. It was the inner fidelity You Tube video on Stax SR-009 amplification, that provoked the purchase, of my Ayre QB-9 Dac. My income is too modest for the SR-009, I use the L700 Mk1. It is good enough to hear a lot. Kind regards Yoram https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGtjJYVew4&t=437s Ryan Berry 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Ryan Berry Posted May 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2020 9 hours ago, AriMargolis said: FYI, any QB-9 users who also use an Aurender, Native DSD input is now confirmed to be working. It will work for all users after the next Aurender firmware update, but if you're hot to trot, you can reach out to us at [email protected] and we'll update your system in advance on a case-by-case basis. Note: Native DSD output is not available yet on some Aurender models, but it is coming soon across the board. Onward & upward. This particular instance did not require Ayre to do anything on their end as it only required an Aurender update, but I'd still like to thank Ryan and Gary for being super helpful with other recent issues. They are super generous, smart and helpful. They have made me personally a big Ayre fan. Hey Ari, that's great news! Thanks for such a quick update. If there's anything you ever need from us, just give me a call and we'll be happy to provide it. I really appreciate the kind words. Cheers, Ryan desbiss and AurenderAmerica 2 President Ayre Acoustics, Inc. Link to comment
Clyde2 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Thanks to Ari and Aurender support, up and running native digital from my N10 to the QB-9 Twenty! Hoping to get the most out of each. Link to comment
Mydragoon Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Hi to all QB9 Twenty owners, I am using QB9 DSD, I found the DAC tends to have more “digital” alike sound compared to DAC like MSB Discrete DAC. So for the Twenty upgrade, is it a big difference? For eg, less “digital” sound, higher density/definition? Thanks. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mydragoon said: Hi to all QB9 Twenty owners, I am using QB9 DSD, I found the DAC tends to have more “digital” alike sound compared to DAC like MSB Discrete DAC. So for the Twenty upgrade, is it a big difference? For eg, less “digital” sound, higher density/definition? Thanks. Here's my detailed review and comparison. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Mydragoon Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Is QB9 Twenty using ESS 9038 Pro? Link to comment
wklie Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Lumin Firmware 13.2 adds preliminary non-verified support for USB output of native DSD256 to Ayre QB-9 Twenty. USB output functionality is currently available on Lumin U1 MINI, U1, T2, and X1 Ryan Berry 1 Peter Lie LUMIN Firmware Lead Link to comment
Popular Post jma2 Posted August 12, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2020 With the latest update of SonicOrbiter 2.8 as announced on the Sonore forum, native DSD for at least the Ayre QB9 Twenty is working on my Sonore opticalRendu. I tested DSD64, DSD128 and DSD256 files (.dsf) using Squeezelite and LMS (on the oRendu). desbiss, barrows and Ryan Berry 1 2 Link to comment
Andrew Bui Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I've been trying to get the QB9 Twenty working with Roon via the Pro-Ject S2 Ultra Sreambox, I just wanted to double-check that DSD64 will display as '64' on the LED display- I keep seeing 352 which (I'm assuming) implies some kind of DoP conversion. It wasn't explicitly listed in the manual so I figured I'd ask here. Link to comment
spin33 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Andrew Bui said: I've been trying to get the QB9 Twenty working with Roon via the Pro-Ject S2 Ultra Sreambox, I just wanted to double-check that DSD64 will display as '64' on the LED display- I keep seeing 352 which (I'm assuming) implies some kind of DoP conversion. It wasn't explicitly listed in the manual so I figured I'd ask here. Yes, regardless of whether you’re set up for DoP or Native DSD, the display on the QB-9 Twenty should show ‘64’ in the situation you describe. Not ‘352’. Double check your Device Settings in Roon (and also the DSP settings) to make sure everything is in order. The number you are seeing seems to indicate that your DSD files are being converted to PCM 352 for playback. I have no experience or familiarity with the Pro-ject Streambox, so can’t speculate whether the problem could lie in that part of the chain. Roon Nucleus REV B -> DH Labs Mirage USB Cable -> Ayre QB-9 Twenty DAC -> SPL Elector Preamp -> Bryston 2.5 Cubed amp -> Magnepan 1.7i speakers + REL T9x jonathan Link to comment
Andrew Bui Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Thanks for the info, I was able to get it working by changing the S2's output to DSD over PCM - don't know what the maximum supported rate is but roon allows me to select up to DSD128 spin33 1 Link to comment
spin33 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, Andrew Bui said: Thanks for the info, I was able to get it working by changing the S2's output to DSD over PCM - don't know what the maximum supported rate is but roon allows me to select up to DSD128 Excellent! If I’m not mistaken, DSD128 is the max in Roon when using DoP. Will go higher if your streamer/DAC supports Native DSD. I’m getting DSD256 in Native mode with my QB-9 Twenty and sonicTransporter i5 (running latest software update). desbiss 1 Roon Nucleus REV B -> DH Labs Mirage USB Cable -> Ayre QB-9 Twenty DAC -> SPL Elector Preamp -> Bryston 2.5 Cubed amp -> Magnepan 1.7i speakers + REL T9x jonathan Link to comment
Dr Tone Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 4 hours ago, spin33 said: Excellent! If I’m not mistaken, DSD128 is the max in Roon when using DoP. Will go higher if your streamer/DAC supports Native DSD. I’m getting DSD256 in Native mode with my QB-9 Twenty and sonicTransporter i5 (running latest software update). No, it’s limited by what the PCM rate of the DAC is capable of carrying. Roon Rock->Auralic Aria G2->Schiit Yggdrasil A2->McIntosh C47->McIntosh MC301 Monos->Wilson Audio Sabrinas Link to comment
barrows Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 hours ago, Dr Tone said: No, it’s limited by what the PCM rate of the DAC is capable of carrying. Yes, Roon can play DSD 256 via DoP, but the attached DAC's USB interface needs to accept 705.6 PCM to allow this. I am doing such right now... SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 512-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical with Well Tempered Clock--DIY DSC-2 DAC with SC Pure Clock--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112 sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. ISOAcoustics Oreas footers. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | Accessories | Software | Link to comment
spin33 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Ah, makes sense now. My QB-9 tops out at 384kHz PCM. Thus the 128DSD limit via DoP.. Roon Nucleus REV B -> DH Labs Mirage USB Cable -> Ayre QB-9 Twenty DAC -> SPL Elector Preamp -> Bryston 2.5 Cubed amp -> Magnepan 1.7i speakers + REL T9x jonathan Link to comment
desbiss Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 23 hours ago, spin33 said: Excellent! If I’m not mistaken, DSD128 is the max in Roon when using DoP. Will go higher if your streamer/DAC supports Native DSD. I’m getting DSD256 in Native mode with my QB-9 Twenty and sonicTransporter i5 (running latest software update). I’m looking forward to Native DSD 265 with my QB-9 Twenty. Was there an appreciable difference with Native compared to using DoP? I’m awaiting the Software update from Antipodes to enable this for my EX, (which utilizes the SonicOrbiter software). Link to comment
spin33 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, desbiss said: I’m looking forward to Native DSD 265 with my QB-9 Twenty. Was there an appreciable difference with Native compared to using DoP? The short answer, no. Not to these 67 yr old ears anyway, and with the very small DSD catalog that I own. YMMV however. But suffice to say, both methods do sound outstanding to me 🙂 desbiss 1 Roon Nucleus REV B -> DH Labs Mirage USB Cable -> Ayre QB-9 Twenty DAC -> SPL Elector Preamp -> Bryston 2.5 Cubed amp -> Magnepan 1.7i speakers + REL T9x jonathan Link to comment
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