Ralf11 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I thought it would be useful to lay out some descriptive phrases relating to the magnitude of perceived SQ. A ranking is important. For example, at the bottom - right next to "no difference" - would be: Discernable Noticeable At or near the top: Astounding Jaw Dropping and, finally: like the birth of a new world RickyV 1 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted August 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2019 You forgot a few: Not subtle Veils lifted My wife heard it from the kitchen daverich4 and Jeff_N 1 1 Link to comment
jabbr Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Could we get some more features about scale and additive impacts of these rankings. eg 10x massive improvement = what? Do 10 cables each having a massive improvement in a system translate into ? Custom room treatments for headphone users. Link to comment
Samuel T Cogley Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 "more resolving than your system" 😁 Link to comment
RickyV Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Hahaha good job Ralf, good job. Your not quite an audiophile jet but you’ll get there. PeterSt 1 Meitner ma1 v2 dac, Sovereign preamp and power amp, DIY speakers, scan speak illuminator. Raal Requisite VM-1a -> SR-1a with Accurate Sound convolution. Under development: NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus, Qobuz. Modded Buffalo-fiber-EtherRegen, DC3- Isoregen, Lush^2 Link to comment
rando Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Patronizing Unsympathetic Disparaging Hectoring Misanthropic Pernicious Callous Acerbic Taunting Am I doing this right? The only rating I've ever seen subjectivist camp come close to using was depicting how low their detractors had sunk in a given attack or body of condescension. 🗣️ esldude and christopher3393 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Samuel T Cogley Posted August 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2019 Apparently, profundity is like muse. Sometimes it's there, sometimes, not so much. wgscott, esldude and mansr 1 1 1 Link to comment
RickyV Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, rando said: Patronizing Unsympathetic Disparaging Hectoring Misanthropic Pernicious Callous Acerbic Taunting Am I doing this right? The only rating I've ever seen subjectivist camp come close to using was depicting how low their detractors had sunk in a given attack or body of condescension. 🗣️ No, you are in the wrong mind set esldude 1 Meitner ma1 v2 dac, Sovereign preamp and power amp, DIY speakers, scan speak illuminator. Raal Requisite VM-1a -> SR-1a with Accurate Sound convolution. Under development: NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus, Qobuz. Modded Buffalo-fiber-EtherRegen, DC3- Isoregen, Lush^2 Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 39 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: I thought it would be useful to lay out some descriptive phrases relating to the magnitude of perceived SQ. A ranking is important. For example, at the bottom - right next to "no difference" - would be: Discernable Noticeable At or near the top: Astounding Jaw Dropping and, finally: like the birth of a new world Where does "So what?" fit in? crenca 1 Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
RickyV Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 like the birth of a new world, that is hilarious. Meitner ma1 v2 dac, Sovereign preamp and power amp, DIY speakers, scan speak illuminator. Raal Requisite VM-1a -> SR-1a with Accurate Sound convolution. Under development: NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus, Qobuz. Modded Buffalo-fiber-EtherRegen, DC3- Isoregen, Lush^2 Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 15, 2019 Author Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, jabbr said: Could we get some more features about scale and additive impacts of these rankings. eg 10x massive improvement = what? Do 10 cables each having a massive improvement in a system translate into ? nuh unh uh !! we are not going to quantify anything! but Rank Order Statistics -- yeh! Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 15, 2019 Author Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Kal Rubinson said: Where does "So what?" fit in? it would have to go in the middle somewhere; above discernible but far below jaw-dropping ... that reminds me.. "blankets were lifted" is obvious more than a quantum bum above "veils were lifted" Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Ralf11 said: it would have to go in the middle somewhere; above discernible but far below jaw-dropping ... that reminds me.. "blankets were lifted" is obvious more than a quantum bum above "veils were lifted" It covers a lot of ground. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
fas42 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 For me, being above and below "convincing" is where the action is, . Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 We might also seek to unearth some verbiage that relates to various qualities in the sound. For example: the system's phase coherence is like a rancid schmear on a stale bagel crenca 1 Link to comment
esldude Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I can't believe no one has yet said, night and day difference. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
esldude Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 There actually are some standards on this. MUSHRA is a method of subjective quality assessment. There is also BS.1116-1 which hopefully not aptly named. It deals mostly in levels of impairment of the reproduced sound quality. https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/bs/R-REC-BS.1116-1-199710-S!!PDF-E.pdf You would have specific categories, like imaging, balance of response, global audio quality and some others are possible. You listen in comparison and rate 1 thru 5 the level of impairment. 5.0 is Imperceptible 4.0 is perceptible, but not annoying. 3.0 is slightly annoying. 2.0 is annoying. 1.0 is very annoying. I suppose one could do it reverse. 5.0 Night and day better. 4.0 Many veils lifted. 3.0 One veil lifted. 2.0 Different, but not better. 1.0 Not different. Hugo9000 1 And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Popular Post esldude Posted August 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: We might also seek to unearth some verbiage that relates to various qualities in the sound. For example: the system's phase coherence is like a rancid schmear on a stale bagel Imaging was like a dirty ceramic tile bathroom in New Orleans at the end of a 5 day drunk at Mardis Gras. The vapid sense of air and space was as grainy as a swarm of flies surrounding roadkill in the west Texas sun. Hugo9000 and daverich4 1 1 And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, esldude said: Imaging was like a dirty ceramic tile bathroom in New Orleans at the end of a 5 day drunk at Mardis Gras. most xlnt.! BTW, I've been in that bathroom but the City tore it down.... esldude 1 Link to comment
Hugo9000 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, esldude said: Imaging was like a dirty ceramic tile bathroom in New Orleans at the end of a 5 day drunk at Mardis Gras. The vapid sense of air and space was as grainy as a swarm of flies surrounding roadkill in the west Texas sun. Which equipment is this? The specificity is remarkable, it must be an amazingly high-fidelity loudspeaker! Birth of a new (dystopian?) world! esldude 1 请教别人一次是5分钟的傻子,从不请教别人是一辈子的傻子 Link to comment
esldude Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Hugo9000 said: Which equipment is this? The specificity is remarkable, it must be an amazingly high-fidelity loudspeaker! Birth of a new (dystopian?) world! Bozak Concert Grand. Now I've probably insulted some one who has them. Apologies for that, but I'm calling it the way I heard it. Hugo9000 1 And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 "The Bozak Concert Grand is a loudspeaker dreams are made of..." - Stereopile, 2005 Link to comment
Popular Post RickyV Posted August 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2019 I peed in my pants, it’s that good. Jeff_N and esldude 1 1 Meitner ma1 v2 dac, Sovereign preamp and power amp, DIY speakers, scan speak illuminator. Raal Requisite VM-1a -> SR-1a with Accurate Sound convolution. Under development: NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus, Qobuz. Modded Buffalo-fiber-EtherRegen, DC3- Isoregen, Lush^2 Link to comment
Popular Post RickyV Posted August 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2019 I had an eargasm. 😁 PeterSt, esldude and Ralf11 1 1 1 Meitner ma1 v2 dac, Sovereign preamp and power amp, DIY speakers, scan speak illuminator. Raal Requisite VM-1a -> SR-1a with Accurate Sound convolution. Under development: NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus, Qobuz. Modded Buffalo-fiber-EtherRegen, DC3- Isoregen, Lush^2 Link to comment
Samuel T Cogley Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Can't believe I forgot "danceable" Quote "... way better than anything I have heard...Simply put these are very danceable cables. Music playing through them results in the proverbial foot-tapping scene with the need or desire to get up and move. Great swing and pace—these cables smack that right on the nose big time." Ralf11 1 Link to comment
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